Dave Reslo
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Post by Dave Reslo on May 7, 2022 0:51:11 GMT
What's everyone into? I think this would be a good way to restart martial arts talk after some time (RIP whitebelt) before we make anymore threads. Or if it's just two or three guys this thread will be enough.
For me, I'm kind of into xingyiquan, but when I was most into it I just learnt three of the first five punches and practiced them again and again and again, trying to get them perfect, and never learnt anything else. To me that's the heart of martial arts vs. combat training: the pursuit of perfection. This is analogous to weightlifting vs. strongman, or even nail bending in one particular style vs. trying to tie them into knots. But what do I know? If it's less than you, post here.
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Post by mr potatohead on May 7, 2022 11:19:14 GMT
You know more than me, so I won't post here.
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lardy
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Post by lardy on May 7, 2022 12:37:07 GMT
I've done some Taekwondo (ITF) which I believe is far better than Taekwondo (WTF) for all around combat. I've also boxed for a while when I was a kid, the problem with boxing these days is the entry level if I'm being honest most clubs expect you to be able to hit 50 push ups and run 3 miles before you walk through the door, whilst not a huge task I feel it turns people away. There's also a growing trend in the UK to hold White collar boxing events where you sell tickets in exchange for very poor training. My mum is a black belt in Jiu jitsu (traditional) My dad is an ex amateur boxer with over 300 bouts I have two brothers that train at mma gyms like 3 times a week instead of going to the gym, neither fight competitively. I have an Uncle who was a British champion in Taekwondo (ITF) and a West Midlands (regional) champion in Kickboxing, middleweight. My eldest son is currently training at a kids only Muay Thai club, I plan to get the other kids there when the time comes. So I have a little bit of knowledge around Martial arts, Not enough to argue anything with 100% certainty though because as most of us will probably agree 99% of what works is all down to the individual. I'd like to get involved again and do something but none of my local clubs that I have tried are clicking for me, I'd say working on a technique till near perfection is probably one of the best things you can do, for self defence the best thing in my opinion you can do is real sparring as much as possible. I look forward to the discussions in here
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Post by lardy on May 7, 2022 12:38:00 GMT
You know more than me, so I won't post here. I'm not sure why that would stop you being able to post here , it's an open discussion, no?
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Post by fredhutch on May 7, 2022 12:55:48 GMT
I am skeptical of the he-moves-this-way you-move-that-way kind of martial arts, and I agree with Kenichi Sawai that when you find yourself in a life or death struggle, it won't be like anything you've practiced before, so you need the ability to adapt and respond appropriately in an instant...Sawai says this comes from internal energy development and very generalized movement training and that is my focus. Sawai's Taiki-Ken is his version of Yi Quan which he learned while in China. I saw an interview with C.S. Tang, author of a book on Yi Quan, who said that Sawai had gotten the real training in China and was considered legit by the Chinese. The Japanese are great at taking something from another country and making it more practical. The founder of Yi Quan, whose name escapes me at the moment, said he was impressed by all those guys with their complicated forms, while he just did standing (ZZ).
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Post by mr potatohead on May 7, 2022 13:29:32 GMT
You know more than me, so I won't post here. I'm not sure why that would stop you being able to post here lol, it's an open discussion, no? It didn't, right? I like Dave's K.I.S.S. approach though.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on May 7, 2022 13:35:07 GMT
I just did a lot of boxing, also what is called dirty boxing by my son's Master, and wrestling. The only kicks I practice are the ones out of Fred's "Low Kicks" book. I always thought kicking above the waist is not something someone with no skill should be doing. Both my son's became 3 Degree black belts under this guy: dragonsociety.com/team_member/grandmaster-chris-stinger/ On that page his rank is wrong. For some reason people don't update this stuff.
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Post by machinehead on May 7, 2022 14:28:58 GMT
I was involved with judo in my younger days. back when I could rebound from broken toes, twisted knees and crunched shoulders more frequently at a dojo run by an old Korean master. One night a guy walked in (he was a green belt) and asked to roll for an hour. I think a lot of the private non McDonald's type martial arts places accommodate off the street visitors for single lessons/practices. One of the black belts in the room was game for some more practice and the two matched up -- the green belt pretty much dominated the black belt for the duration of his visit. We got to talking afterwards and he said he's been a green belt for years. His revelation was, once you reach the yellow/green ranking, you've pretty much learned, or at least been exposed to everything there is to know as far as the basics are concerned and mastering the basics is what get's you the competition wins. The Korean master noted the same thing -- when watching any of the high level competitions (judo in this case), the competitors rely for the most part on a couple of different basic elements. They've been exposed to all the forms and theatrics and party tricks, but they've practiced the bread a butter moves to the point of making them seamless and almost indefensible (lookup up Bill "Superfoot" Wallace as an example). The observation made by the green belt visitor was you can go online and buy yourself a black belt and if you spend the time practicing the basics, become a bad ass and save a few bucks in the process.
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Post by Magnus on May 7, 2022 14:36:25 GMT
Years ago my wife dragged me to her 'American Vadha Kempo' classes and I stuck around for awhile... vadhakempokarate.comThis was right around when the UFC was first starting up, and the guy running the school realized that his Martial Art was sorely lacking in ground fighting ability, so they began incorporating elements of BJJ into the mix. I had no 'belt' at all in this 'Martial Art', and really wasn't interested in achieving any. But I didn't seem to need any belt rank as I was able to pretty much annihilate any of the sensei's when we would ground fight 'spar', and this was by using nothing more than the good old wrestling skills that I'd learned in High School. Don't get me wrong, the Martial Art was pretty cool and worthwhile to learn, the instructors were all nice people, and I'm sure by now they know what to do if the fight winds up on the floor... If nothing else, learning a bit of 'AVK' opened my eyes and got me interested in Krav Maga, and that's something I consider super worthwhile. I still practice my 'Combatives' and weapons techniques from time to time...
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Post by moxohol on May 7, 2022 14:53:16 GMT
Open hand sparring, conditioning, dancing, WW2 combatives favoring Bill Underwood.
The idea about open hand sparring is it trains u not to get so wigged out when u get ur chimes rocked a bit. Getting pegged in the face is a mindfuck for some. Others a birthday cake.
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Post by Magnus on May 7, 2022 15:18:45 GMT
I was involved with judo in my younger days. back when I could rebound from broken toes, twisted knees and crunched shoulders more frequently at a dojo run by an old Korean master. One night a guy walked in (he was a green belt) and asked to roll for an hour. I think a lot of the private non McDonald's type martial arts places accommodate off the street visitors for single lessons/practices. One of the black belts in the room was game for some more practice and the two matched up -- the green belt pretty much dominated the black belt for the duration of his visit. We got to talking afterwards and he said he's been a green belt for years. His revelation was, once you reach the yellow/green ranking, you've pretty much learned, or at least been exposed to everything there is to know as far as the basics are concerned and mastering the basics is what get's you the competition wins. The Korean master noted the same thing -- when watching any of the high level competitions (judo in this case), the competitors rely for the most part on a couple of different basic elements. They've been exposed to all the forms and theatrics and party tricks, but they've practiced the bread a butter moves to the point of making them seamless and almost indefensible (lookup up Bill "Superfoot" Wallace as an example). The observation made by the green belt visitor was you can go online and buy yourself a black belt and if you spend the time practicing the basics, become a bad ass and save a few bucks in the process.Truth ! Awhile back, the wife's side of the family put me in charge of giving self defense training to a very nerdy 'bookworm' nephew who was being constantly harassed by bully's at school. To add insult to shame, one of the 'bullys' was a girl ! Oh boy... Being a total 'bookworm' this kid had zero interest in fighting, so I had him read and absorb some Shakespeare: “Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once. Of all the wonders that I yet have heard, It seems to me most strange that men should fear; Seeing that death, a necessary end, Will come when it will come.”I also had him read this: "The difference between the coward and courageous is what we might call the critical moment. At a critical moment the coward runs to safety while the courageous step up and step into the fray. It’s not that the courageous aren’t scared, it’s just that their level of commitment to a great good and a great cause outweighs their desire for safety and comfort."
Protecting yourself is as "great cause" as I ever heard... I explained that most untrained people never expect to defend against a punch combination, and then taught him the most basic of 'street' boxing 3 punch combinations to be used as a pre-emptive strike whenever he felt threatened: 1. Left Jab-- 2. Overhand Right-- 3.Left 'shovel' Hook to the ribs / liver I then had him practice this simple combination on my heavy bag, over, and over, and over, and over again, and then sent him home with instructions to practice the combo morning noon and night every day along with also doing push-ups, jumping jacks, and sit ups... ***A week later I got home from work and was told that the kids mother is pissed at me; seems the kid was suspended from school that day because he knocked the bully girl unconscious, and also knocked out the front tooth of some other kid... Ya' just can't win !
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Post by stormshadow on May 7, 2022 15:22:34 GMT
What's everyone into? I think this would be a good way to restart martial arts talk after some time (RIP whitebelt) before we make anymore threads. Or if it's just two or three guys this thread will be enough. For me, I'm kind of into xingyiquan, but when I was most into it I just learnt three of the first five punches and practiced them again and again and again, trying to get them perfect, and never learnt anything else. To me that's the heart of martial arts vs. combat training: the pursuit of perfection. This is analogous to weightlifting vs. strongman, or even nail bending in one particular style vs. trying to tie them into knots. But what do I know? If it's less than you, post here. Dave when did Whitebelt pass away. I thought he just left. Man too bad. I enjoyed this thread by the way. I think just keep with normal forum but will go with group decision. Your pursuit of perfection both physical and mental is an excellent distinction. Many disciplines I have enjoyed. Boxing, wrestling, military combatives, Japanese Jiu Jitsu, Judo, BJJ, Isshin Ryu karate, American Freestyle karate, Krav Maga, Kung Fu(Choy Li Fut) and Tai Chi. And brawling;)When I was a kid I was also a pretty good self taught practitioner of some of the most dangerous moves in pro wrestling such as the pile driver, figure 4 leg lock, back suplex, power slam, chin locks, camel clutch, Boston crab, DDT and so on
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Post by lardy on May 7, 2022 16:47:01 GMT
What's everyone into? I think this would be a good way to restart martial arts talk after some time (RIP whitebelt) before we make anymore threads. Or if it's just two or three guys this thread will be enough. For me, I'm kind of into xingyiquan, but when I was most into it I just learnt three of the first five punches and practiced them again and again and again, trying to get them perfect, and never learnt anything else. To me that's the heart of martial arts vs. combat training: the pursuit of perfection. This is analogous to weightlifting vs. strongman, or even nail bending in one particular style vs. trying to tie them into knots. But what do I know? If it's less than you, post here. Dave when did Whitebelt pass away. I thought he just left. Man too bad. I enjoyed this thread by the way. I think just keep with normal forum but will go with group decision. Your pursuit of perfection both physical and mental is an excellent distinction. Many disciplines I have enjoyed. Boxing, wrestling, military combatives, Japanese Jiu Jitsu, Judo, BJJ, Isshin Ryu karate, American Freestyle karate, Krav Maga, Kung Fu(Choy Li Fut) and Tai Chi. And brawling;)When I was a kid I was also a pretty good self taught practitioner of some of the most dangerous moves in pro wrestling such as the pile driver, figure 4 leg lock, back suplex, power slam, chin locks, camel clutch, Boston crab, DDT and so on It's much harder as an adult but when I was a kid I had upset quite a few mothers by putting their sons in ankle locks, spent my whole summer washing cars
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Dave Reslo
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Post by Dave Reslo on May 7, 2022 17:23:40 GMT
I was just kidding about whitebelt, I think other people had spotted him pop back in occasionally under a different name. Just couldn't start a martial arts thread without thinking of him.
Echoing what other people have said I remember talking to a guy who was a state champion wrestler or something when he was in high school, he said the key things were to get good at cutting weight and only ever do the one throw you were good at.
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Post by billfish on May 7, 2022 17:25:54 GMT
Billy Whitebelt....I liked him, a funny guy who was also a longtime guy on the forums
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