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Post by moxohol on Sept 4, 2020 17:25:59 GMT
"... I've never seen any large, peer-reviewed research or study that has determined a causal or even correlative link between "fast" carbs and heart disease...." What?! Of course there is! It's called the "GI Diet" created in the University of Toronto since 1981. Millions of successful diabetics using it can't be ALL wrong? There are scores of studies on it. Here's one: Glycemic index and heart disease - PubMed pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12081853/A case history: Tim Belknap, successful diabetic pro bodybuilder. Tim Belknap - Greatest Physiques www.greatestphysiques.com/male-physiques/tim-belknap/"...So, I'm still waiting for something done by neutral, inquisitive researchers that suggests any of this stuff..." Below should address many of nutritional criteria stated by you here. The author has many college textbooks to his name & is a standard on campuses: "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D. and Thomas M. Campbell II, M.D. "...Again, billions of humans survive on white rice as a staple of their diet and they have lower rates of heart disease, diabetes and cancer than American do. White rice is a "fast" carb..." 1) That's because, traditionally, asians eat mainly unrefined starch (e.g. brown rice, root vegetables) that is slow to digest due to the high fiber content. Even today, asians still add veggies to their WHITE rice which lowers the overall glycemic value of their meal. Same reason I eat a side dish of lentils whenever I eat cake or add cherries to my Hagen Daz ice cream. Same principle applies to both here. 2) Asians have lower consumption of refined sugar (fructose) which inhibits insulin resistance from developing. Ur average American on an SAD consumes a shit load of sugar from soft drinks alone. Source: "The Good Calorie Diet" by Philip Lipet 1996 The conclusions of that first study you linked is a little more complex than what you're proposing. And ultimately don't conclude that lower GI diets are shown to be "healthier" for the heart without the inclusion of several other factors. <<<I presented it to demonstrate that my inference or conclusions of fact were not baseless. Alot of other stuff can inferred from that study. I admit>>> The China Study is actually one of my favorite books and is where I first started to realize that High Carb fears are bullshit. Have you read the book? Have you visited Campbell's website? He believes in high carb diets. He believes a diet of "fast carbs" while not ideal, is still preferable to any diet that includes animal protein. Not sure why you chose to include that here? <<<"...So, I'm still waiting for something done by neutral, inquisitive researchers that suggests any of this stuff..."<<<I thought China Study was relevant & worth mentioning. Campbell does make a distinction between fast & slow carbs. Albeit, not critical in his view, I disagree with it. Fast & slow carbs do regulate the types of insulin response as diabetics on a GI Diet already know from practical experience. An massive insulin burst can cause plaque deposits>>> Your assertion about Asian diets is not all that accurate. Okinawans eat a lot of root vegetables. South Asians eat a lot of taro. Chinese, Koreans and Japanese traditionally still eat white (not brown) rice in amounts that would make low-carbers faint from disgust. <<<<If u want to break it down in detail that's correct. I like to keep my responses concise as possible. I'd rather save time then write a detailed dissertation the size of a novella>>>> Yes, adding vegetables or meat lowers the GI of the white rice, but if you believe Fixx only ate fast carbs and did not eat fruits, vegetables or meat, I don't think that's true. Supposedly he was a fan of fast food, so we know he was also eating meat. <<<<He wasn't in the ball park with his macros or carb GI. I tried to say or imply that it was off base by a large margin>>>> But, he was also a smoker and had weighed more than 200 lbs prior to taking up running, so he had a lot of factors that contributed to his heart disease. In fact, smoking in and of itself almost certainly had more influence over his heart disease than his diet did. <<<<I assume the implication here is "too little too late"? That he only delayed the inevitable? I always thought the human body was resilient enough to reverse course if the correct plan of action is tapped into. Past a certain age bracket is a lost cause. I'm sure. This where autophagy can work its magic.>>>>
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Post by pierinifitness on Sept 5, 2020 14:05:22 GMT
We're all going to get our turn and whether it's checking out at age 76 or age 99, 10 years later in the grave for both is the same, dead for 10 years. "No man wants to live to be 100 except the 99-year old man."
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Post by brothersteve on Sept 5, 2020 21:41:43 GMT
Roger Bannister, who broke the 4 minute mile in the early 1950's, was long and lean and lived until 88 when he passed. He had Parkinson's. I read he was also a vegetarian. Some sedentary people who never ran a mile in their lives live past this age, so was all the time and energy and dieting worth it? Some say no. Parkinson's, cancer, dementia, can bring people down despite good diet and exercise. I think exercise is good, but it's what I believe in (the old Physical Culture ideas live in me as I don't drink booze, coffee, or tea and get to bed before 10 and stay away from crowds, esp. since COVID). Could I be in better condition and leaner - yes!, which is my new goal. How long will I live, who knows? I will try to make the journey as long and trouble free as possible. Bobby Pandour in his 40's, Sandow, Charles Rigoulot, and Louis Uni passed in their 50's, Joe Bonomo and Maxick in their 70's, etc. I say workout for yourself doing what make you feel like you accomplished something positive, eat as best you can , try to feel as good as your can naturally, and above all keep the positive mindset.
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Post by brothersteve on Sept 5, 2020 21:58:19 GMT
Moderation was the point I was trying to get across in my cardio thread. Good posts BrotherSteve, Stuke, and Duece. This is a good question," Is it good for longevity to take challenging workouts and eat clean to live longer?" I think because of my jobs I can't remember being out of breath while doing anything. I've played with harder endurance sessions and never redlined. Always felt like a normal day at work. But I don't see the sense in beating Your body to crap. I want my exercise to be fun, feel good, and prevent injuries. We only have so much control over how long we live, I'm going to enjoy what I do. I totally agree with what you say. Moderation, especially as I have gotten older in diet and exercise. When I lifted weights in my younger years I believed in the old BS about 'no pain, no gain' and no limits, and pushing hard all the time and suffered a couple of injuries for it. I now like to get a little out of breath doing things, but not to where my hands are shaking like I use to (the Bob Hoffman puff, pant, and perspire). I believe in doing something daily to get the body moving and heart pumping. Enjoyment in workouts, job, and life in general is key to me. I have seen a lady, now in her late 60's, run by my house for the last 15 years. She said does 7 miles almost everyday no matter the weather, not competitively, just for herself. She is thin, lean, but moves stiff like she is in pain with short jerky strides like she is pushing too hard to get her 'quota' in. I know the endorphin high is real and I feel it too with what I do, but I could not enjoy doing that. To each their own.
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Post by Michael on Sept 5, 2020 23:19:17 GMT
Many people mistakenly believe that you need to work out every day. Daily activity is healthy killer workouts are not.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 6, 2020 1:09:59 GMT
I suck at chess.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 6, 2020 1:10:48 GMT
Many people mistakenly believe that you need to work out every day. Daily activity is healthy killer workouts are not. Absolutely.
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Post by moxohol on Sept 6, 2020 2:15:13 GMT
I still want to put the best odds in my favor as best I can with what I have, where I am at so I'm not a doddering old fool pissing himself while humming "Somewhere over the rainbow...". This passage sums up this thread nicely:
Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 6, 2020 3:01:51 GMT
Perhaps you could summarize the Coronavirus thread, m8? It needs to die too.
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Post by moxohol on Sept 6, 2020 8:48:36 GMT
Perhaps you could summarize the Coronavirus thread, m8? It needs to die too. And death shall have no dominion. Dead men naked they shall be one With the man in the wind and the west moon; When their bones are picked clean and the clean bones gone, They shall have stars at elbow and foot; Though they go mad they shall be sane, Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again; Though lovers be lost love shall not; And death shall have no dominion. And death shall have no dominion. Under the windings of the sea They lying long shall not die windily; Twisting on racks when sinews give way, Strapped to a wheel, yet they shall not break; Faith in their hands shall snap in two, And the unicorn evils run them through; Split all ends up they shan't crack; And death shall have no dominion. And death shall have no dominion. No more may gulls cry at their ears Or waves break loud on the seashores; Where blew a flower may a flower no more Lift its head to the blows of the rain; Though they be mad and dead as nails, Heads of the characters hammer through daisies; Break in the sun till the sun breaks down, And death shall have no dominion.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 6, 2020 20:24:45 GMT
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Post by macky on Sept 7, 2020 3:16:25 GMT
Perhaps you could summarize the Coronavirus thread, m8? It needs to die too. Seriously ??
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Post by Michael on Sept 7, 2020 14:28:54 GMT
Perhaps you could summarize the Coronavirus thread, m8? It needs to die too.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Sept 7, 2020 20:12:03 GMT
I second that.
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Post by macky on Sept 7, 2020 20:54:27 GMT
Well I don't see what's appropriate about referring to the Corona virus thread on here, which I thought was supposed to be about Ric Drasin, his life and passing.
Can't we keep things about Covid 19 confined to the thread that was set up addressing concerns of the emergency ? No matter what any of you personally feel about it all ?
Then those that don't want to discuss what in fact is Trump and his cronies' greatest failure to the American people, can avoid reading about something they're sick of hearing about, and carry on examining the latest trends on bicep development and ten extra years of life if you eat birdseed etc ?
Is that reasonable ?
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