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Post by Deuce Gunner on Aug 31, 2020 21:34:00 GMT
I was thinking about him on the drive home today and was worried that despite his son's last video message on his channel that new notice about his condition was taking too long. Kidney problems can get complicated fast at a certain age. As for not aging well because he was a bodybuilder? Ric was 76 and had a pretty good life till just before it ended. Everybody has to go sometimes and a real sharp drop off right before it's your time is preferable to a long lingering infirmity before death. RIP Ric Draisin. I'll miss your stories and advice.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 1, 2020 1:54:43 GMT
That's too bad. I liked Ric. He made some interesting videos.
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Post by moxohol on Sept 2, 2020 4:15:00 GMT
Ric Drasin lived a rich & colorful life & he didn't have to join the service to be all he can be. I enjoyed his channel as much as anyone else but he died young & dilapidated. He didn't age well. Jack LaLanne died at age 96 & was robust. Michael Colgan looks great at 76.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Sept 2, 2020 8:09:02 GMT
Ric Drasin lived a rich & colorful life & he didn't have to join the service to be all he can be. I enjoyed his channel as much as anyone else but he died young & dilapidated. He didn't age well. Jack LaLanne died at age 96 & was robust. Michael Colgan looks great at 76. Did both of your heroes have careers in pro wrestling as well as bodybuilding?
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Post by moxohol on Sept 2, 2020 8:26:01 GMT
Ric Drasin lived a rich & colorful life & he didn't have to join the service to be all he can be. I enjoyed his channel as much as anyone else but he died young & dilapidated. He didn't age well. Jack LaLanne died at age 96 & was robust. Michael Colgan looks great at 76. Did both of your heroes have careers in pro wrestling as well as bodybuilding? Not that I'm aware of. I have seen & viewed "The Wrestler". I know the common injuries entailed with pro wrestling. U can still age gracefully even with injuries. I'm no paragon of physical virtue to look at (see posted pic August 10). To look at it, I'm utterly unremarkable. I suffered embolisms, TBI, fractured vertebrae/femurs & multiple lacerations 6 years ago at age 52. I did what I had to to mostly recover & I think I did OK despite the handicaps. That is not say my cross hangs higher then anyone elses (Somebody else is going to need the wood anyhow).
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Post by misterfurious on Sept 2, 2020 19:46:47 GMT
Their overall lifestyle is healthier than someone else that doesn't do anything. There are a lot of other variables which I don't want to get into. Don't think because you are doing cardiovascular training you're going to live longer than someone else. It may give you a better chance but that's not written in stone. Nothing wrong with a combination of strength, hypertrophy, and cardiovascular training. Do what you like but remember it doesn't feel good when you get kicked when you're down. Ric told the true about everything in his life. Nothing is a sure thing in life but I do think it's possible to put the odds in my favor as long as OTHER factors are observed. Nature doesn't operate in a vacuum & neither does human physiology. It works in systems...pathways...inter-dynamics. Just other names for "homeostasis". The case of famed running author, James Fixx, illustrates this point nicely. Fixx ran many marathons & definitely had the correct body composition. Yet, he died of a heart attack at age 48. How can this be if he did all that heavy cardio that science says is beneficial? His poor genetics aside, it can be summed up this way: his diet killed him. He "carb loaded" frequently prior to numerous marathons by stuffing his face with cookies & pasta. Diet affects the epigenetics, & by extension, gene expression. Turning on the right genes is essential but it's not happening by just a magic bullet alone. It's a process. A plan. It's like saying mustard is not the main course but u do like a little on ur hot dog. This is one of the most insane conclusions I've ever seen. It's more likely that Fixx died because running marathons isn't actually healthy.
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Post by stuke on Sept 2, 2020 20:04:36 GMT
Nothing is a sure thing in life but I do think it's possible to put the odds in my favor as long as OTHER factors are observed. Nature doesn't operate in a vacuum & neither does human physiology. It works in systems...pathways...inter-dynamics. Just other names for "homeostasis". The case of famed running author, James Fixx, illustrates this point nicely. Fixx ran many marathons & definitely had the correct body composition. Yet, he died of a heart attack at age 48. How can this be if he did all that heavy cardio that science says is beneficial? His poor genetics aside, it can be summed up this way: his diet killed him. He "carb loaded" frequently prior to numerous marathons by stuffing his face with cookies & pasta. Diet affects the epigenetics, & by extension, gene expression. Turning on the right genes is essential but it's not happening by just a magic bullet alone. It's a process. A plan. It's like saying mustard is not the main course but u do like a little on ur hot dog. This is one of the most insane conclusions I've ever seen. It's more likely that Fixx died because running marathons isn't actually healthy. We just don't know why his body packed in. I am definitely of the belief that marathons are much more 'bad' for the body than 'good'. Any time you are pushing things so much you risk exposing any underlying issues or even body 'glitches' and by that I mean perhaps on that particular day, due to any number of temporary issues like stress, mild illness, maybe even indigestion - so maybe after 20 miles of running on a hot day, a combination of usually minor things are compounded with the stress and exertion of running and bang, something gives.
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Post by mr potatohead on Sept 2, 2020 21:12:50 GMT
If I remember what I heard correctly, the major factor was lack of minerals (sweat them out), specifically selenium, and he had a heart attack.
Didn't he also eat a lot of "PowerBars" or was that someone else who died from being undernutrified?
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Post by macky on Sept 2, 2020 22:32:38 GMT
This is one of the most insane conclusions I've ever seen. It's more likely that Fixx died because running marathons isn't actually healthy. We just don't know why his body packed in. I am definitely of the belief that marathons are much more 'bad' for the body than 'good'. Any time you are pushing things so much you risk exposing any underlying issues or even body 'glitches' and by that I mean perhaps on that particular day, due to any number of temporary issues like stress, mild illness, maybe even indigestion - so maybe after 20 miles of running on a hot day, a combination of usually minor things are compounded with the stress and exertion of running and bang, something gives. Agreed. The body needs energy to operate the immune system, like any other of the body's systems, and when that's used up on pounding the pavement running a ridiculously long distance, then the runner is vulnerable to all sorts of invasive maladies. My wife was a fanatic for all sorts of training, but even she only ran the one marathon just as a personal goal and didn't run any more than the ten k races after that. At the after-race awards, many of the runners looked superficially good, but there was "something" lacking in their overall appearance. To me, it felt like all their internal strength had gone on the race.
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Post by moxohol on Sept 3, 2020 2:32:11 GMT
Nothing is a sure thing in life but I do think it's possible to put the odds in my favor as long as OTHER factors are observed. Nature doesn't operate in a vacuum & neither does human physiology. It works in systems...pathways...inter-dynamics. Just other names for "homeostasis". The case of famed running author, James Fixx, illustrates this point nicely. Fixx ran many marathons & definitely had the correct body composition. Yet, he died of a heart attack at age 48. How can this be if he did all that heavy cardio that science says is beneficial? His poor genetics aside, it can be summed up this way: his diet killed him. He "carb loaded" frequently prior to numerous marathons by stuffing his face with cookies & pasta. Diet affects the epigenetics, & by extension, gene expression. Turning on the right genes is essential but it's not happening by just a magic bullet alone. It's a process. A plan. It's like saying mustard is not the main course but u do like a little on ur hot dog. This is one of the most insane conclusions I've ever seen. It's more likely that Fixx died because running marathons isn't actually healthy. Reread the content. Fixx died despite doing an activity that many deem to reduce the risk of an event not because of it (yes, the runner Phillipi died of heart attack after delivering his message). There is no causual or any correlation shown here whatsoever that marathons or his training killed him. He died of a good old fashioned heart attack at home. Coroner's Report states he died of atherosclerosis plaque & hence a coronary. He had massive deposits of it. If we were to go by the logic alone that marathons probably kill him then we can also say that playing soccer can kill u too. 3 players died of an event on the field in 2019. No drugs were detected in those players I'm aware of.
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Post by moxohol on Sept 3, 2020 13:46:00 GMT
James Fixx had a history of heart disease in the family. He was already in a high risk category to begin with. 2 of the classic ways to REDUCE the risk of heart disease is DIET & EXERCISE. Both are not mutually exclusive. He smoked & was overweight prior to taking up running as a sport. He took up running as a prophylaxis & excelled in it but still keeled over for his troubles. Your knees & hips will suffer 1st running long distances unless, you're taking PED's.
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Post by misterfurious on Sept 3, 2020 15:47:27 GMT
This is one of the most insane conclusions I've ever seen. It's more likely that Fixx died because running marathons isn't actually healthy. Reread the content. Fixx died despite doing an activity that many deem to reduce the risk of an event not because of it (yes, the runner Phillipi died of heart attack after delivering his message). There is no causual or any correlation shown here whatsoever that marathons or his training killed him. He died of a good old fashioned heart attack at home. Coroner's Report states he died of atherosclerosis plaque & hence a coronary. He had massive deposits of it. If we were to go by the logic alone that marathons probably kill him then we can also say that playing soccer can kill u too. 3 players died of an event on the field in 2019. No drugs were detected in those players I'm aware of. There's no correlation in this specific instance because it's an N=1 anecdote. But, I believe Fixx actually died while on an actual run, so.... Taken into consideration how many people die from cardiac arrest each year while running, or while engaged in high exertion excerise, in conjunction with Fixx's family history of heart disease, it's fairly logical to conclude that his running was not healthy for him and likely contributed to the various factors that led to his death from heart disease. nypost.com/2017/10/17/you-can-exercise-yourself-to-death-says-new-study/Regardless... there is certainly more of a correlation between the negative effect of his running than there is that eating pasta and cookies were the primary factor of the condition, which you seemed to intimate in your initial post. Literally billions of people around the world live long and healthy lives on high carb diets. Maybe if you want to say that extreme high caloric intake contributed to his heart attack, that would also be more defendable than just saying carbs killed him.
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Post by brothersteve on Sept 3, 2020 17:02:12 GMT
R.I.P. Mr Drasin. I enjoyed the videos and your honesty.
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Post by moxohol on Sept 3, 2020 17:04:38 GMT
Mr. Fixx's running didn't cause his heart disease. It was his diet that did it. It was a prime risk factor that caused his heart attack. The running bit as a catalyst & causal I absolutely agree on. It's called exerting yourself. I would quibble about your high carbs worldwide comment because not all carbs are created equal as it depends on the type, your other macros & circadian rhythms. EG: What about diabetics who observe the glycemic index & glycemic load along with food combinations which affect insulin levels & plaque formation? What about OMAD or ADF or eating a Twinkie Diet? You can still lose weight, have great bloodwork & a low calcium score to boot. I don't think I'm making straw man arguments here? I admit I made a generalized statement about cookies & pasta without explaining why it was detrimental to Mr. Fixx. I read that he "carb loaded" with fast carbs as a matter of course for long distance running frequently & that's like giving alcohol to an alcoholic considering his known medical history. There is heaps of valid research on the function of nutritional epigenetics & how it affects DNA methylation which determines gene expression. I think all in all I'm making a logos not pathos argument here but I could be wrong?
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Post by stuke on Sept 3, 2020 18:10:00 GMT
I have been thinking about Ric Draisin and the comments on here that he did not age well. I would watch him and think, he looks more like he is on his 50s, he is pretty mobile, trains everyday, eats clean. I didn't know about his heart or kidney only his joints. Maybe he would have lived a shorter life had he not dedicated himself to bodybuilding and weight training. Bill Pearl lifted pretty heavy alright and he is in his late 80s, Albert Beckles is 90, they don't all die relatively young. All I know is that Ric made a big impression on a lot of people and the world is less than it was now he has gone.
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