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Post by Mr Average on Feb 14, 2019 19:54:19 GMT
It is about Functional Strength, there are many examples of strength that have nothing to do with, bench press, squat and deadlift. If you feel those are the only forms of Functional Strength there is then fine.
Maybe you will be happier with this one?
I generally agree. But getting stronger in the bench press, squat and deadlift is "functional." This idea that there's "functional" strength and non-functional strength is silliness that snake-oil salesmen used to sell whatever routine they were trying to sell. No, having a big deadlift won't make you a world-class wrestler. But wrestling is a skill. The strength one accrues from the deadlift does have applications to the skill of wrestling, though. Sure benching twice your bodyweight won't make you a better gymnast, but gymnastics is a skill. But wrestling regularly, squatting regularly and practicing gymnastics regularly will all make you better at moving couches around your house, carrying bags of groceries and pushing your stalled car in the snow. Well I when are you going to try out Iron Crotch? Apparently it is good for wood. (rofl) As for strength in can be gained from anywhere and if someone was to ask me what was functional, I would say it comes from what someone can do without thinking about it. As for a stalled car, if someone services their car on a regular basis and replaces things when they need doing, there should be no reason for a car to stall, even in the snow. |
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Post by Michael on Feb 14, 2019 21:50:11 GMT
Problem with this discussion is folks mixing up strength, strength-endurance and so on, without regards to the fact that they are different attributes. When I first posted this I was thinking about how different forums say different exercises are not functional or are more functional. So it was more about different exercises that I was trying to get at. I never really understood how someone can say bodyweight exercise, weights, cables, kettlebells, self-resistance, etc... are more functional. My opinion is if it is not injuring the person, it's keeping them moving, they feel stronger, healthier, etc... it's functional for that person's situation. If someone is on the couch eating cookies everyday and not doing anything, I would think they would be much more functional doing something. The functional fitness stuff is a bunch of BS as Billfish and others have mentioned. |
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Post by Mr Average on Feb 14, 2019 23:02:27 GMT
Problem with this discussion is folks mixing up strength, strength-endurance and so on, without regards to the fact that they are different attributes. When I first posted this I was thinking about how different forums say different exercises are not functional or are more functional. So it was more about different exercises that I was trying to get at. I never really understood how someone can say bodyweight exercise, weights, cables, kettlebells, self-resistance, etc... are more functional. My opinion is if it is not injuring the person, it's keeping them moving, they feel stronger, healthier, etc... it's functional for that person's situation. If someone is on the couch eating cookies everyday and not doing anything, I would think they would be much more functional doing something. The functional fitness stuff is a bunch of BS as Billfish and others have mentioned. I can understand why so called fitness gurus would choose one thing over another it is about money and feeding people bullshit. From the man in blue speedos to the man who has a load of workout machines they need to off load or books to sell. The modern humans managed to stay strong and fit for about the last 200,000 years, even Jesus had a 6 pack. 
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Post by Hector on Feb 14, 2019 23:19:38 GMT
Well, I have yet to see somebody display dysfunctional strength, simply cant wait for it.
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Post by Mr Average on Feb 14, 2019 23:29:15 GMT
Well, I have yet to see somebody display dysfunctional strength, simply cant wait for it. Knock yourself out
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 15, 2019 8:47:35 GMT
Well, I have yet to see somebody display dysfunctional strength, simply cant wait for it. Knock yourself out
Those videos are of dysfunctional TRAINING. Perhaps you missed this? |
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Post by Mr Average on Feb 15, 2019 10:21:31 GMT
Those videos are of dysfunctional TRAINING. Perhaps you missed this? Does that mean that they are developing functional strength while doing dysfunctional training? Yes I did miss that.
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Post by Mr Average on Feb 15, 2019 11:27:30 GMT
Problem with this discussion is folks mixing up strength, strength-endurance and so on, without regards to the fact that they are different attributes. Well I would say that they are the same attributes, just look at WSM competitions for example, you have guys doing using both strength and strength endurance
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 15, 2019 11:33:32 GMT
I don't know what they're developing by doing dysfunctional training. Perhaps the wisdom that will remind them in the future to never do that particular dysfunctional training again?
You're welcome, m8! Cheers!
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Post by Hectpr on Feb 16, 2019 6:05:35 GMT
Strength is a component of strength endurance as it is a component of power.
Strength endurance equals strength + muscular endurance + cardiovascular fitness
Power equals strength + speed + coordination and more often than not specific skill(s)
Now, you can argue all you want against those definitions, but as of now this discussion is closed as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 16, 2019 13:31:07 GMT
We don't argue here, Hectpr, but, you're wrong.
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Post by jrmeatplow on Feb 16, 2019 13:44:17 GMT
It is about Functional Strength, there are many examples of strength that have nothing to do with, bench press, squat and deadlift. If you feel those are the only forms of Functional Strength there is then fine.
Maybe you will be happier with this one?
I generally agree. But getting stronger in the bench press, squat and deadlift is "functional." This idea that there's "functional" strength and non-functional strength is silliness that snake-oil salesmen used to sell whatever routine they were trying to sell. No, having a big deadlift won't make you a world-class wrestler. But wrestling is a skill. The strength one accrues from the deadlift does have applications to the skill of wrestling, though. Sure benching twice your bodyweight won't make you a better gymnast, but gymnastics is a skill. But wrestling regularly, squatting regularly and practicing gymnastics regularly will all make you better at moving couches around your house, carrying bags of groceries and pushing your stalled car in the snow. Once you get to a certain level heavy barbell lifts tend to move more toward skill based, honing your technique. I will have to say that whatever created my strong hips, be it squatting or deadlifts, did give me a powerful Upa. This will probably sound as strange as can be, but I feel I got stronger when my technique wasn't dialed in on lifts or exercises. Where I was inefficient, I got the most strength and muscle gains. Regardless of all the babble about this, the big 3 for 5x5, did not produce for what I needed. Bryce Lane's "have it all" or what I dubbed the 50/20 way back in the day, now that produces the goods. Power Clean and Press your bodyweight for 50 reps in under 20 minutes and tell me what you think? I think I managed 175lbs for 53 reps in 20 minutes, it put me on queer street waiting for the spirit horse to pick me up for the ride. |
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Post by jrmeatplow on Feb 16, 2019 13:48:25 GMT
We don't argue here, Hectpr, but, you're wrong. hector stated it pretty rough for a place for pals to talk training, but he is pretty much right in his descriptions in that post from my own experience. |
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Post by Dave Reslo on Feb 16, 2019 15:33:19 GMT
This will probably sound as strange as can be, but I feel I got stronger when my technique wasn't dialed in on lifts or exercises. Where I was inefficient, I got the most strength and muscle gains. I think there's some explanation about muscle firing patterns and recruitment of smaller assisting muscles. In any case, three cheers for Bryce Lane, wherever he may be. |
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Post by Michael on Feb 16, 2019 15:41:37 GMT
Regardless of all the babble about this, the big 3 for 5x5, did not produce for what I needed. Bryce Lane's "have it all" or what I dubbed the 50/20 way back in the day, now that produces the goods. Power Clean and Press your bodyweight for 50 reps in under 20 minutes and tell me what you think? I think I managed 175lbs for 53 reps in 20 minutes, it put me on queer street waiting for the spirit horse to pick me up for the ride. Like I said before, You've done some hard work. That's hard work. |
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