Michael
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Post by Michael on Feb 7, 2019 12:36:52 GMT
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Bob50
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Post by Bob50 on Feb 7, 2019 15:28:26 GMT
"Training to improve functional strength involves more than simply increasing the force-producing capability of a muscle or group of muscles. Rather, it requires training to enhance the coordinated working relationship between the nervous and muscular systems."
That is why I love dynamic self-resistance that allows training almost all muscles groups during different movements and that" enhances the coordinated working relationship between the nervous and muscular systems."
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TexasRanger
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 7, 2019 16:20:25 GMT
Michael, Agree 100% on your perspective. So many things have been claimed as functional and at least in my opinion (making sure I qualify what I'm posting), the authors or trainers who are throwing this term around are just bandwagon types vs. thinking about our actual evolutionary physiology. Function should be in line with what the human animal is designed to do. The work of God, evolution -- take your choice, -- resulted in an upright, bipedal design that is one of the best endurance animals on the planet that also has pretty miraculous shoulder design which allows us to do quite a few things many other mammals can't. Same thing with our hands and the dexterity our thumbs have provided resulting in tools, art, etc., over the last 10,000 years. OTOH, We're also a joke in terms of our speed and even moreso strength relative to other mammals. Humans traveled on foot, shopped for their groceries on foot (hunting, harvesting), fled on foot. Along the way, we carried food, built shelters, etc., but, it all came back to movement. Functional -- until the last 100 - 120 years -- had nothing to do with standing in place and flexing your muscles as Bob mentions, using a Nautilus biceps curl machine or even lifting a barbell. In fact, anyone remember it being part of the fitness lingo until 10 or 15 years ago? As you note, it is an industry buzz word and helps groups like ACE earn clients.
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Post by billfish on Feb 7, 2019 16:30:09 GMT
"Functional training"......like all the other fitness industry generated phrases is just another way to drum up business These people make their living from selling ideas, exercises, routines, etc to the public Gotta come up with some fresh terms from time to time IMHO there is a LOT of bullshit in the fitness industry....seen it firsthand and also a serious lack of integrity
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Post by Hector on Feb 7, 2019 17:03:39 GMT
Building strength, endurance, speed and skill the safest way possible is always functional, no need to do it hanging from a trapeze by the nose.
That said, training tailored toward better performance in a given activity could be called functional, however, being old fashion, I'll just call it specific.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Feb 7, 2019 17:07:15 GMT
It seems like the idea started off with honest intent, rejecting isolation exercises or exercises which required perfect setup. People usually mean something with a high rate of carry-over to other activities they either do or want to tell themselves they are likely to do. No doubt in some cases the pendulum swung the other way, towards picking exercises just because they were extremely awkward. That results in no carry-over and a higher chance of injury.
I know guys who are strong because they spend time in the gym and I know guys who are strong because they work hard on the farm (genetics factors strongly into both groups). Honestly, neither is good at what the other does but if you wanted to call the farmer's strength "functional" because they are using it for their livelihood then I guess that's fine.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 7, 2019 17:45:08 GMT
"Training to improve functional strength involves more than simply increasing the force-producing capability of a muscle or group of muscles. Rather, it requires training to enhance the coordinated working relationship between the nervous and muscular systems." That is why I love dynamic self-resistance that allows training almost all muscles groups during different movements and that" enhances the coordinated working relationship between the nervous and muscular systems." Could someone, please, name any legit exercise that does NOT "enhance(s) the coordinated working relationship between the nervous and muscular systems"? Anyone? Anyone? Inquiring minds want to know ......
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TexasRanger
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 7, 2019 17:47:18 GMT
"Training to improve functional strength involves more than simply increasing the force-producing capability of a muscle or group of muscles. Rather, it requires training to enhance the coordinated working relationship between the nervous and muscular systems." That is why I love dynamic self-resistance that allows training almost all muscles groups during different movements and that" enhances the coordinated working relationship between the nervous and muscular systems." Could someone, please, name any legit exercise that does NOT "enhance(s) the coordinated working relationship between the nervous and muscular systems"? Anyone? Anyone? Inquiring minds want to know ...... Now, now...don't get "toxic".
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 7, 2019 17:49:17 GMT
RE: "Functional Training" vs "Functional Strength"
IMO, all strength is functional, but not all training is functional with regard to the tasks that would be made easier if more strength was gained by focusing on increasing the strength needed for those specific tasks.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 7, 2019 17:52:31 GMT
Could someone, please, name any legit exercise that does NOT "enhance(s) the coordinated working relationship between the nervous and muscular systems"? Anyone? Anyone? Inquiring minds want to know ...... Now, now...don't get "toxic". Actually, I really would like to know if there is one. I just can't think of any off the top of my head.
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Dave Reslo
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Post by Dave Reslo on Feb 7, 2019 17:53:44 GMT
Maybe those ab machines that electrocute you?
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 7, 2019 18:03:48 GMT
Now, now...don't get "toxic". Actually, I really would like to know if there is one. I just can't think of any off the top of my head. You know, this brings up a peeve of mine. I think it is a very sad comment about our culture/society when we must preface and soften everything we write or say with disclaimers to avoid offending someone's ultra-tender sensitivities. My grandparents would have told me that I'd better gird myself up, because the world isn't going to make allowances to avoid offending my delicate feelings.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 7, 2019 18:05:32 GMT
Maybe those ab machines that electrocute you? OK, but I did say, "legit" just cover my ass, m8.
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Feb 7, 2019 23:03:58 GMT
I get and agree with most of what You guys said. Like Billfish said, "like all the other fitness industry generated phrases is just another way to drum up business". Yes, a lot has to do with making money. Now, this stuff I'm going to write are just some thoughts. Whether they are right or wrong to some I would like some more insights into this. I can't remember who post about exercises being functional but everyone has a different perception of what is functional. I was thinking about this because I have done every exercise type and many experiments on myself. I haven't really found anything that made me unfunctional, . It all pretty much kept my injuries down and I always felt strong. Of course, I've had hiccups listening to bad advice. The worst thing I think that may have messed with the way I functioned was not recovering. And that could be said about any exercise type. So what I'm getting at, why do people say certain exercises are not functional? I'm just writing this to understand. Because I feel doing something that doesn't injury You is functional? For an example, You have one forum saying weight lifting is not and another saying it is. Same with the bench press and push ups. That's just an example I'm not saying that. I like all exercise so I have no bias. Just as what Bob does. Why is that not functional? If that's all a person can do atleast they are doing something besides sitting on the couch eating cookies. Texas You mentioned something before about the ellipticals, not being functional or something? I don't remember exactly so if I'm wrong my bad. I know running and walking is what we're meant to do but what if this makes Your knees feel better without the pounding? Wouldn't that be functional? I've been to many therapies because of work injuries in the past. At different times I've used weights, cables, machines, ellipticals, exercise bikes and You're going to laugh at this one, KSHD exercises. , I kid You not. A lot of the stuff was isolation exercises depending on the injury. If this rehabs Your injury, why is this not functional? I pulled this from that article," For example, "non-functional," single-joint exercise can play a critical role in helping to strengthen a "weak link" that a person may have to restore proper muscle balance. Furthermore, doing such an exercise can allow an individual to more safely and effectively participate in functional-training activities while also reducing the risk of injury." Why is that not functional? Thanks for any replies.
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Post by Hector on Feb 7, 2019 23:16:07 GMT
Because a big mouthed greedy arsehole needs to look knowledgeable so he can get his hand on your money selling you his whatever course or just needs to feel snarter than the average fence post
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