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Post by billfish on Feb 8, 2019 18:38:59 GMT
Just try climbing rope hand over hand without strong biceps. Of course there are other ways to get them, but curls are the most practical way for most. Any exercise that get you stronger and fitter, either in a general or specific way, is functional. Anybody thinking otherwise is not really thinking. Amen to the rope climbing....also builds killer grip strength Just make sure that if you use manila rope to change it out before it breaks and you fall and break a wrist....or more Spoken from experience
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Post by bob44 on Feb 8, 2019 18:47:56 GMT
Just try climbing rope hand over hand without strong biceps. Of course there are other ways to get them, but curls are the most practical way for most. Any exercise that get you stronger and fitter, either in a general or specific way, is functional. Anybody thinking otherwise is not really thinking. Amen to the rope climbing....also builds killer grip strength Just make sure that if you use manila rope to change it out before it breaks and you fall and break a wrist....or more Spoken from experience Based on your story of the fall, I got a poly rope. But what you didn't tell me was that it was a hundred times harder to climb the poly rope compared to the manila rope. I have not been able to climb with only my hands on the poly rope yet.
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Post by billfish on Feb 8, 2019 18:51:21 GMT
Is Poly slipperier than Manila ? My Manila rope was pretty slick
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 8, 2019 18:53:42 GMT
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Post by bob44 on Feb 8, 2019 18:54:41 GMT
My poly rope is a lot slipperier. I have to use rubber gloves to climb. My tree is in the back yard, so no one sees me looking like a rope climbing dork.
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Post by Hector on Feb 8, 2019 19:39:50 GMT
Back in Hamburg, I'm lucky enough to have a turner gym at a 3km easy run from the house, beside the usual gymnastic apparatuses they have several climbing ropes.
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Post by Michael on Feb 8, 2019 19:47:15 GMT
I would add that you'll never get the most out of your body without "isolation" exercises. For example, I believe that lateral raises, front, side, and rear, are absolutely essential shoulder exercises, probably more important in the long run than overhead presses. I know perfectly well this goes against most modern training advice, but that is my experience. If all you do for shoulders is presses, as some advocate, you'll never develop your shoulders to the max and you may be courting muscle imbalances and injuries. Another good example is the leg curl, Pavel and others will tell you the only exercise you need for your hamstrings is squats and deadlifts, no no I say, the leg curl is of immense value in strengthening the hamstrings and stabilizing the knee, there is no substitute for leg curls, done either as an SR or with an iron boot (I would not use a leg curl machine, though). And yes, just to complete Fred's heresy, I also believe there is great value in leg extensions for the quads and flying type motions for the chest--I should emphasize that I'm not saying there's anything wrong with "compound" exercises, they are beneficial and important too, but the isolation moves belong in a routine just as much. I tend to have the same experience you have with shoulders. If I press I have to do those exercises or my one shoulder acts funny. In Dr. Kirsh's book, "Shoulder Solution" he says to do these exercises plus hanging from a bar for shoulder health. Funny that you say do leg curls and extensions. I do them self resistance to warm up my knees.
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Post by Michael on Feb 8, 2019 20:02:47 GMT
Thanks Mikey and Mr. Average for the videos, I'll watch them later. I wish I had a place to hang a rope to climb. I do have two short ropes two and half inch in diameter that I sometimes use for pull ups. I went through the archives one day and seen what I think is Billfish's set up. Nice!
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 8, 2019 20:07:22 GMT
BF is THE MAN when it comes to limply hanging tools.
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Post by Mr Average on Feb 8, 2019 20:14:54 GMT
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Post by Bob50 on Feb 8, 2019 20:28:19 GMT
I would add that you'll never get the most out of your body without "isolation" exercises. For example, I believe that lateral raises, front, side, and rear, are absolutely essential shoulder exercises, probably more important in the long run than overhead presses. I know perfectly well this goes against most modern training advice, but that is my experience. If all you do for shoulders is presses, as some advocate, you'll never develop your shoulders to the max and you may be courting muscle imbalances and injuries. Another good example is the leg curl, Pavel and others will tell you the only exercise you need for your hamstrings is squats and deadlifts, no no I say, the leg curl is of immense value in strengthening the hamstrings and stabilizing the knee, there is no substitute for leg curls, done either as an SR or with an iron boot (I would not use a leg curl machine, though). And yes, just to complete Fred's heresy, I also believe there is great value in leg extensions for the quads and flying type motions for the chest--I should emphasize that I'm not saying there's anything wrong with "compound" exercises, they are beneficial and important too, but the isolation moves belong in a routine just as much. I totally agree with Fred regarding the importance of isolation exercises. Factually, I used only these types of exercises in my daily self-resisstance training and could get sufficient strength, flexibility and muscles. P.S. This picture is just for the proof of the efficiency of such "isolation" approach. I will remove it.
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Post by billfish on Feb 8, 2019 21:42:12 GMT
My poly rope is a lot slipperier. I have to use rubber gloves to climb. My tree is in the back yard, so no one sees me looking like a rope climbing dork. I didn't know it was that slippery, glad I didn't get one My wife used to have a can of some kind of sticky spray that she used for sewing and she gave it to me, I used it to make my hands tacky when i first got the rope and it really helped
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Post by billfish on Feb 8, 2019 21:44:16 GMT
BF is THE MAN when it comes to limply hanging tools. !
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Post by Hector on Feb 8, 2019 21:59:43 GMT
You can find tacky powders of one kind or another in sporting hoods stores, if not, you can get it on line, among others Amazon sells that stuff.
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Post by jrmeatplow on Feb 10, 2019 14:34:41 GMT
I didn't read the article. We've had discussions on "functional" strength before. As far as I'm concerned strength is strength, pure and simple. A person who can do the basic compound lifts - press, curl, deadlift, squat, row - with alotta weight, is strong, functionally or otherwise. I agree to an extent Bruce. When I started BJJ/Judo I knew I was stronger than nearly everyone in the gym in a certain way, but they were much stronger than I was in odd positions and angles. They were also isometrically conditioned and I was not. Being strong is strong, but be able to apply it where you need it is key. Where I'm at right now, strength endurance, isometric endurance, and strength at odd angles is what I'm after. The compound lifts will be accessories as once the strength is built it doesn't take a lot to maintain it. I quit lifting once and stayed drunk for about a year and a half. One day I decided I was done drinking and started lifting again. Being the genius that I am, on my first deadlift workout I worked up and pulled 455lbs for a single with little struggle. Now at my current age, I wouldn't do that right out of the gate, but strength is there to do it.
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