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Post by Dave Reslo on Feb 3, 2019 19:43:53 GMT
So I was wondering if anyone has had any success with Furey's exercises. Such as muscle and endurance improvements, fat burning in record time. Flexibility. Strength increases, etc. The reason I am asking is because we are mentioning his exercises. Keith. I tried them for a while mixed with isometric pulls using a belt. I definitely improved my fitness up to a point and was losing weight at the time, but eventually found my elbows and knees in a lot of pain. I was overweight when I started and probably relied on the dreaded "knee-bounce". For the hindu pushups I tried to be very strict with form and sometimes did the dive-bomber pushups variation. To the best of my recollection Furey got the exercises from Karl Gotch, in Gotch's own video he alludes to his student's knee injury at one point, telling him to ignore it since he is demonstrating on camera. The way actual Indian wrestlers do their dands can be a lot less strict, basically like a child cheating in a pressup test. On top of that, gada swinging has a big ab emphasis counteracting all the bending back the way. The Indian dumbell exercises I've seen are sort of curl variants counteracting the tricep emphasis/downwards pushing of the dands. If you did the whole thing it must be a decent way of conditioning for wrestling, but if you just stick to the Royal Court you are going to miss out on the abs and pulling strength, as well as risk joint damage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 20:01:19 GMT
So I was wondering if anyone has had any success with Furey's exercises. Such as muscle and endurance improvements, fat burning in record time. Flexibility. Strength increases, etc. The reason I am asking is because we are mentioning his exercises. Keith. I tried them for a while mixed with isometric pulls using a belt. I definitely improved my fitness up to a point and was losing weight at the time, but eventually found my elbows and knees in a lot of pain. I was overweight when I started and probably relied on the dreaded "knee-bounce". For the hindu pushups I tried to be very strict with form and sometimes did the dive-bomber pushups variation. To the best of my recollection Furey got the exercises from Karl Gotch, in Gotch's own video he alludes to his student's knee injury at one point, telling him to ignore it since he is demonstrating on camera. The way actual Indian wrestlers do their dands can be a lot less strict, basically like a child cheating in a pressup test. On top of that, gada swinging has a big ab emphasis counteracting all the bending back the way. The Indian dumbell exercises I've seen are sort of curl variants counteracting the tricep emphasis/downwards pushing of the dands. If you did the whole thing it must be a decent way of conditioning for wrestling, but if you just stick to the Royal Court you are going to miss out on the abs and pulling strength, as well as risk joint damage. It's from Gotch's Conditioning For Combat Sports and the student was named Tom Puckett. Gotch was different in the sense where it wasn't really about fitness but preparing the body for Catch Wrestling. Furey "developed" the fitness side of it using Gotch's fundamentals. Form is important but for wrestlers it's the ability to handle extreme stress whether in training or on the mat because when you're going so hard, form becomes a whisper in the wind and goes away. I took Gotch's words to heart when he said "animals in the wild are in the greatest of shape because they use they're own bodyweight and stretching." Gotch was a phenomenal trainer but he pushed beyond most guys' limits and some did get hurt in the process. The Gada is a great tool and I use it from time to time. It tackles the obliques like a charm and works the rotational aspects of your Core. There are variations of the Hindu Pushups that can hit the abs in certain ways but overall if you added in pulling movements/Isometrics and ab work along with the royal court than you'll be in overall decent shape depending on the goals. Gotch learned the Hindu Style from a guy he worked with in England and that as far as I know is the origin of Gotch's madness for insane conditioning. He took those exercises and molded them into training the Japanese wrestlers later on and working with guys in the Florida Territories.
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Post by Michael on Feb 3, 2019 20:21:41 GMT
Yeah, I took the ride with Hindu push-ups and squats. I lost a lot of size and got frail thin just doing the Royal Court stuff. I got really good and doing all 3 exercises but that's about it. I have gotten better conditioning from other things without the repetitive reps and injuries.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Feb 3, 2019 20:34:41 GMT
I tried them for a while mixed with isometric pulls using a belt. I definitely improved my fitness up to a point and was losing weight at the time, but eventually found my elbows and knees in a lot of pain. I was overweight when I started and probably relied on the dreaded "knee-bounce". For the hindu pushups I tried to be very strict with form and sometimes did the dive-bomber pushups variation. To the best of my recollection Furey got the exercises from Karl Gotch, in Gotch's own video he alludes to his student's knee injury at one point, telling him to ignore it since he is demonstrating on camera. The way actual Indian wrestlers do their dands can be a lot less strict, basically like a child cheating in a pressup test. On top of that, gada swinging has a big ab emphasis counteracting all the bending back the way. The Indian dumbell exercises I've seen are sort of curl variants counteracting the tricep emphasis/downwards pushing of the dands. If you did the whole thing it must be a decent way of conditioning for wrestling, but if you just stick to the Royal Court you are going to miss out on the abs and pulling strength, as well as risk joint damage. It's from Gotch's Conditioning For Combat Sports and the student was named Tom Puckett. Gotch was different in the sense where it wasn't really about fitness but preparing the body for Catch Wrestling. Furey "developed" the fitness side of it using Gotch's fundamentals. Form is important but for wrestlers it's the ability to handle extreme stress whether in training or on the mat because when you're going so hard, form becomes a whisper in the wind and goes away. I took Gotch's words to heart when he said "animals in the wild are in the greatest of shape because they use they're own bodyweight and stretching." Gotch was a phenomenal trainer but he pushed beyond most guys' limits and some did get hurt in the process. The Gada is a great tool and I use it from time to time. It tackles the obliques like a charm and works the rotational aspects of your Core. There are variations of the Hindu Pushups that can hit the abs in certain ways but overall if you added in pulling movements/Isometrics and ab work along with the royal court than you'll be in overall decent shape depending on the goals. Gotch learned the Hindu Style from a guy he worked with in England and that as far as I know is the origin of Gotch's madness for insane conditioning. He took those exercises and molded them into training the Japanese wrestlers later on and working with guys in the Florida Territories. That's right, it was supposed to come from the Snake Pit in Wigan. Oddly enough Billy Robinson also trained at the Snake Pit but IIRC thought squats should be done on flat heels to develop power; I think he claimed wrestlers should be able to do 50 a minute that way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 20:43:26 GMT
It's from Gotch's Conditioning For Combat Sports and the student was named Tom Puckett. Gotch was different in the sense where it wasn't really about fitness but preparing the body for Catch Wrestling. Furey "developed" the fitness side of it using Gotch's fundamentals. Form is important but for wrestlers it's the ability to handle extreme stress whether in training or on the mat because when you're going so hard, form becomes a whisper in the wind and goes away. I took Gotch's words to heart when he said "animals in the wild are in the greatest of shape because they use they're own bodyweight and stretching." Gotch was a phenomenal trainer but he pushed beyond most guys' limits and some did get hurt in the process. The Gada is a great tool and I use it from time to time. It tackles the obliques like a charm and works the rotational aspects of your Core. There are variations of the Hindu Pushups that can hit the abs in certain ways but overall if you added in pulling movements/Isometrics and ab work along with the royal court than you'll be in overall decent shape depending on the goals. Gotch learned the Hindu Style from a guy he worked with in England and that as far as I know is the origin of Gotch's madness for insane conditioning. He took those exercises and molded them into training the Japanese wrestlers later on and working with guys in the Florida Territories. That's right, it was supposed to come from the Snake Pit in Wigan. Oddly enough Billy Robinson also trained at the Snake Pit but IIRC thought squats should be done on flat heels to develop power; I think he claimed wrestlers should be able to do 50 a minute that way. Yeah Billy was just as sadistic if not worse than Gotch when it came to training guys. A friend of mine trained under Robinson and said that 50 Squats a minute was the gold standard and had to do 500 within the 10 minute mark.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 3, 2019 21:21:43 GMT
I tried them for a while mixed with isometric pulls using a belt. I definitely improved my fitness up to a point and was losing weight at the time, but eventually found my elbows and knees in a lot of pain. I was overweight when I started and probably relied on the dreaded "knee-bounce". For the hindu pushups I tried to be very strict with form and sometimes did the dive-bomber pushups variation. To the best of my recollection Furey got the exercises from Karl Gotch, in Gotch's own video he alludes to his student's knee injury at one point, telling him to ignore it since he is demonstrating on camera. The way actual Indian wrestlers do their dands can be a lot less strict, basically like a child cheating in a pressup test. On top of that, gada swinging has a big ab emphasis counteracting all the bending back the way. The Indian dumbell exercises I've seen are sort of curl variants counteracting the tricep emphasis/downwards pushing of the dands. If you did the whole thing it must be a decent way of conditioning for wrestling, but if you just stick to the Royal Court you are going to miss out on the abs and pulling strength, as well as risk joint damage. It's from Gotch's Conditioning For Combat Sports and the student was named Tom Puckett. Gotch was different in the sense where it wasn't really about fitness but preparing the body for Catch Wrestling. Furey "developed" the fitness side of it using Gotch's fundamentals. Form is important but for wrestlers it's the ability to handle extreme stress whether in training or on the mat because when you're going so hard, form becomes a whisper in the wind and goes away. I took Gotch's words to heart when he said "animals in the wild are in the greatest of shape because they use they're own bodyweight and stretching." Gotch was a phenomenal trainer but he pushed beyond most guys' limits and some did get hurt in the process. The Gada is a great tool and I use it from time to time. It tackles the obliques like a charm and works the rotational aspects of your Core. There are variations of the Hindu Pushups that can hit the abs in certain ways but overall if you added in pulling movements/Isometrics and ab work along with the royal court than you'll be in overall decent shape depending on the goals. Gotch learned the Hindu Style from a guy he worked with in England and that as far as I know is the origin of Gotch's madness for insane conditioning. He took those exercises and molded them into training the Japanese wrestlers later on and working with guys in the Florida Territories. Conditioning for wrestling has come a long way -- Dan Gable helped revolutionize it with weights and the myth that BW training better "conditions" athletes for sports has long disappeared. Unless you're someplace where weights aren't available or your coach is behind the times, a grappler should be hitting the iron or he will probably be at a significant disadvantage when up against a stronger competitor who is just as well conditioned: I used to belong to the local YMCA as it was the nearest facility with barbells, a squat rack, etc. Off season, I'd see the local football players, wrestlers and field athletes from the middle and high schools that my kids attended coming in and out and most would focus on the basic lifts -- squat, deadlift, bench, military presses. We also had a kid that had graduated a couple of years prior who came in to show me his PJ shirt -- wow, what a thrill...this 19 or 20 year old had completed the US Air Force's equivalent of BUD/S and was on leave going on Fairchild AFB for survival school training. His work out? Mostly weight training, some chins, a quick swim, then, a six mile run that evening after the temp dropped a bit. BTW, Gotch doesn't tell the rest of the story. Wild animals are in great shape because: a) They don't eat like we do -- except for the fall when animals like bears load up on sugary fruit for hibernation (fat storage) -- they're lean pretty much year round. b) The majority of animals have to move for their food vs. sitting in a car and going through the McDonald's drive through or heading to the grocery store for Cheerios and Cheetos. c) Darwinian selection has resulted in the animals with the best genetics surviving and thriving in the wild. They're BORN with that strength. Think a chimp trained to attain the strength to pull 1,000 lbs in weights one-handed (answer is no), or, rip the arm off of a human without even trying just by their day to day BW activities or 'stretching'? A 250lb chimp is -- as i understand -- at least 10x the strength of a 300lb strongman who is juicing. Humans bred the Belgian Blue into one of the strongest, most muscular animals of the "Bovinae" (cow) family -- they're huge and unbelievably strong. Like animals in the wild, genetics resulted in this crazy powerful animal. I think it was the book, 'Why We Run', that discussed humans as strength animals are incredibly lame in relation to other mammals. We can't climb trees like apes. We can't outrun a bear, horse, cheetah, dog or cat. Like I said, a 200lb chimp has incredible strength compared to humans. We can't swim compared to aquatic animals. But, when it comes to endurance? Humans are considered the best land-based endurance animals in recorded history.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 21:33:46 GMT
It's from Gotch's Conditioning For Combat Sports and the student was named Tom Puckett. Gotch was different in the sense where it wasn't really about fitness but preparing the body for Catch Wrestling. Furey "developed" the fitness side of it using Gotch's fundamentals. Form is important but for wrestlers it's the ability to handle extreme stress whether in training or on the mat because when you're going so hard, form becomes a whisper in the wind and goes away. I took Gotch's words to heart when he said "animals in the wild are in the greatest of shape because they use they're own bodyweight and stretching." Gotch was a phenomenal trainer but he pushed beyond most guys' limits and some did get hurt in the process. The Gada is a great tool and I use it from time to time. It tackles the obliques like a charm and works the rotational aspects of your Core. There are variations of the Hindu Pushups that can hit the abs in certain ways but overall if you added in pulling movements/Isometrics and ab work along with the royal court than you'll be in overall decent shape depending on the goals. Gotch learned the Hindu Style from a guy he worked with in England and that as far as I know is the origin of Gotch's madness for insane conditioning. He took those exercises and molded them into training the Japanese wrestlers later on and working with guys in the Florida Territories. Conditioning for wrestling has come a long way -- Dan Gable helped revolutionize it with weights and the myth that BW training better "conditions" athletes for sports has long disappeared. Unless you're someplace where weights aren't available or your coach is behind the times, a grappler should be hitting the iron or he will probably be at a significant disadvantage when up against a stronger competitor who is just as well conditioned: I used to belong to the local YMCA as it was the nearest facility with barbells, a squat rack, etc. Off season, I'd see the local football players, wrestlers and field athletes from the middle and high schools that my kids attended coming in and out and most would focus on the basic lifts -- squat, deadlift, bench, military presses. We also had a kid that had graduated a couple of years prior who came in to show me his PJ shirt -- wow, what a thrill...this 19 or 20 year old had completed the US Air Force's equivalent of BUD/S and was on leave going on Fairchild AFB for survival school training. His work out? Mostly weight training, some chins, a quick swim, then, a six mile run that evening after the temp dropped a bit. BTW, Gotch doesn't tell the rest of the story. Wild animals are in great shape because: a) They don't eat like we do -- except for the fall when animals like bears load up on sugary fruit for hibernation (fat storage) -- they're lean pretty much year round. b) The majority of animals have to move for their food vs. sitting in a car and going through the McDonald's drive through or heading to the grocery store for Cheerios and Cheetos. c) Darwinian selection has resulted in the animals with the best genetics surviving and thriving in the wild. They're BORN with that strength. Think a chimp trained to attain the strength to pull 1,000 lbs in weights one-handed (answer is no), or, rip the arm off of a human without even trying just by their day to day BW activities or 'stretching'? A 250lb chimp is -- as i understand -- at least 10x the strength of a 300lb strongman who is juicing. Humans bred the Belgian Blue into one of the strongest, most muscular animals of the "Bovinae" (cow) family -- they're huge and unbelievably strong. Like animals in the wild, genetics resulted in this crazy powerful animal. I think it was the book, 'Why We Run', that discussed humans as strength animals are incredibly lame in relation to other mammals. We can't climb trees like apes. We can't outrun a bear, horse, cheetah, dog or cat. Like I said, a 200lb chimp has incredible strength compared to humans. We can't swim compared to aquatic animals. But, when it comes to endurance? Humans are considered the best land-based endurance animals in recorded history. I know Gotch didn't tell the rest of the story, I just liked the quote. Weights have their place, I have no doubt of that and Gable was the greatest wrestling coach in NCAA history bar none and had a unique style of conditioning his guys. I read Kurt Angle's book and he wrote one day he was in Iowa and trained with Gable's team. He said they only did one match but it went on a whole other realm and Angle just flat was baffled what went down. Gable had them do 40 min, 30 min and another 30 min of a sparring match. I've never heard a coach do something like that and maybe some coaches did something similar but you're basically doing 100 minutes of straight wrestling with very little rest between rounds.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 3, 2019 22:05:17 GMT
....... The Gada is a great tool and I use it from time to time. ....... Thanks for the reminder. I've been neglecting my gadas. Maybe I'll start messing with them again. I made them with bowling balls and black pipe. ~~ 24", 36" & 48" handles.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 3, 2019 22:05:36 GMT
Conditioning for wrestling has come a long way -- Dan Gable helped revolutionize it with weights and the myth that BW training better "conditions" athletes for sports has long disappeared. Unless you're someplace where weights aren't available or your coach is behind the times, a grappler should be hitting the iron or he will probably be at a significant disadvantage when up against a stronger competitor who is just as well conditioned: I used to belong to the local YMCA as it was the nearest facility with barbells, a squat rack, etc. Off season, I'd see the local football players, wrestlers and field athletes from the middle and high schools that my kids attended coming in and out and most would focus on the basic lifts -- squat, deadlift, bench, military presses. We also had a kid that had graduated a couple of years prior who came in to show me his PJ shirt -- wow, what a thrill...this 19 or 20 year old had completed the US Air Force's equivalent of BUD/S and was on leave going on Fairchild AFB for survival school training. His work out? Mostly weight training, some chins, a quick swim, then, a six mile run that evening after the temp dropped a bit. BTW, Gotch doesn't tell the rest of the story. Wild animals are in great shape because: a) They don't eat like we do -- except for the fall when animals like bears load up on sugary fruit for hibernation (fat storage) -- they're lean pretty much year round. b) The majority of animals have to move for their food vs. sitting in a car and going through the McDonald's drive through or heading to the grocery store for Cheerios and Cheetos. c) Darwinian selection has resulted in the animals with the best genetics surviving and thriving in the wild. They're BORN with that strength. Think a chimp trained to attain the strength to pull 1,000 lbs in weights one-handed (answer is no), or, rip the arm off of a human without even trying just by their day to day BW activities or 'stretching'? A 250lb chimp is -- as i understand -- at least 10x the strength of a 300lb strongman who is juicing. Humans bred the Belgian Blue into one of the strongest, most muscular animals of the "Bovinae" (cow) family -- they're huge and unbelievably strong. Like animals in the wild, genetics resulted in this crazy powerful animal. I think it was the book, 'Why We Run', that discussed humans as strength animals are incredibly lame in relation to other mammals. We can't climb trees like apes. We can't outrun a bear, horse, cheetah, dog or cat. Like I said, a 200lb chimp has incredible strength compared to humans. We can't swim compared to aquatic animals. But, when it comes to endurance? Humans are considered the best land-based endurance animals in recorded history. I know Gotch didn't tell the rest of the story, I just liked the quote. Weights have their place, I have no doubt of that and Gable was the greatest wrestling coach in NCAA history bar none and had a unique style of conditioning his guys. I read Kurt Angle's book and he wrote one day he was in Iowa and trained with Gable's team. He said they only did one match but it went on a whole other realm and Angle just flat was baffled what went down. Gable had them do 40 min, 30 min and another 30 min of a sparring match. I've never heard a coach do something like that and maybe some coaches did something similar but you're basically doing 100 minutes of straight wrestling with very little rest between rounds. Weights are an essential tool for athletics and other endeavours. I'm assuming you're of the mindset on the bodyweight boards or the claims that weights are "dysfunctional"...seems to be the theme vs. activities such as "bear crawls"? Real life is about weights -- pick up a sofa. In fact, what was Ross' opinion? www.rosstraining.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53055&sid=dd3cae16351d2e5c0a86670a4f0aba0c&start=20 (BTW, that whole thread is a riot...great quotes from BillFish, Justin P, etc. ) Anyway... Carry a refrigerator on your back (a learned activity taught by skilled movers). Put a suitcase in the overhead compartment in an airliner (most will recognize the joke in this one via Andy29). Line up against another player on the football field and try to move that individual. You better be hitting your squats. Heavy presses. Triceps work. Or that person across from you will be tossing you wherever. Pick up grocery bags. Carry a ruck. Those are all "weights". There's no 'place' for weights...they're everywhere. "Sparring" was Gable's form of conditioning and working on technique. Nothing to do with building strength.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 3, 2019 22:09:18 GMT
....... The Gada is a great tool and I use it from time to time. ....... Thanks for the reminder. I've been neglecting my gadas. Maybe I'll start messing with them again. I made them with bowling balls and black pipe. ~~ 24", 36" & 48" handles. I've got an old 25lb sledge hammer in the garage -- back when I was trying out the shovel glove workout or Clubbells, I'd use that instead. Just shorten your grip for better leverage until you get stronger. Also have a great axe I'll use down in the hill country on the Cedars/Juniper, but, probably not the wisest option for working out.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 3, 2019 22:14:07 GMT
Thanks for the reminder. I've been neglecting my gadas. Maybe I'll start messing with them again. I made them with bowling balls and black pipe. ~~ 24", 36" & 48" handles. I've got an old 25lb sledge hammer in the garage -- back when I was trying out the shovel glove workout or Clubbells, I'd use that instead. Just shorten your grip for better leverage until you get stronger. Also have a great axe I'll use down in the hill country on the Cedars/Juniper, but, probably not the wisest option for working out. I started out swinging by using a sledge. 12# was as heavy as I went with that before making my gadas. My heaviest sledge is 20#, but I don't swing it. I just keep it in the corner for a conversation starter when the lady gladiators stop in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 23:25:38 GMT
I know Gotch didn't tell the rest of the story, I just liked the quote. Weights have their place, I have no doubt of that and Gable was the greatest wrestling coach in NCAA history bar none and had a unique style of conditioning his guys. I read Kurt Angle's book and he wrote one day he was in Iowa and trained with Gable's team. He said they only did one match but it went on a whole other realm and Angle just flat was baffled what went down. Gable had them do 40 min, 30 min and another 30 min of a sparring match. I've never heard a coach do something like that and maybe some coaches did something similar but you're basically doing 100 minutes of straight wrestling with very little rest between rounds. Weights are an essential tool for athletics and other endeavours. I'm assuming you're of the mindset on the bodyweight boards or the claims that weights are "dysfunctional"...seems to be the theme vs. activities such as "bear crawls"? Real life is about weights -- pick up a sofa. In fact, what was Ross' opinion? www.rosstraining.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53055&sid=dd3cae16351d2e5c0a86670a4f0aba0c&start=20 (BTW, that whole thread is a riot...great quotes from BillFish, Justin P, etc. ) Anyway... Carry a refrigerator on your back (a learned activity taught by skilled movers). Put a suitcase in the overhead compartment in an airliner (most will recognize the joke in this one via Andy29). Line up against another player on the football field and try to move that individual. You better be hitting your squats. Heavy presses. Triceps work. Or that person across from you will be tossing you wherever. Pick up grocery bags. Carry a ruck. Those are all "weights". There's no 'place' for weights...they're everywhere. "Sparring" was Gable's form of conditioning and working on technique. Nothing to do with building strength. I get your point and know there are weights everywhere but I was mainly talking barbells and dumbbells. I prefer bodyweight workouts cause it's fun. After being in the gym off and on for the last year, not too much has changed except a few PRs here and there. My toughest lifting is attaching the fat gripz to the dumbbells and barbells at the gym. Moving 40 lb DB with Fat Gripz is tough and really makes you focus harder in order to maintain form. The heaviest I lifted overhead with Fat Gripz was I think 230 for 3 reps. The word weights could mean anything when it comes to objects and equipment. I like Odd Object lifting from time to time, picking up a stone or when I had to haul my big ass dresser that was solid wood. Awkward lifts are more fun imo cause you can't lift them the same way a barbell or dumbbell. I learned a lot from Brooks Kubik's Dinosaur Training and a fanatic on thick bar training. I've even used Fat Gripz on handles of the Lifeline TNT Cables, I get a killer workout from that and doing a few reps of thick bar pullups. Can you tell I'm fond of stuff like that ?
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Post by Mr Average on Feb 3, 2019 23:51:19 GMT
Weights are an essential tool for athletics and other endeavours. I'm assuming you're of the mindset on the bodyweight boards or the claims that weights are "dysfunctional"...seems to be the theme vs. activities such as "bear crawls"? Real life is about weights -- pick up a sofa. In fact, what was Ross' opinion? www.rosstraining.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53055&sid=dd3cae16351d2e5c0a86670a4f0aba0c&start=20 (BTW, that whole thread is a riot...great quotes from BillFish, Justin P, etc. ) Anyway... Carry a refrigerator on your back (a learned activity taught by skilled movers). Put a suitcase in the overhead compartment in an airliner (most will recognize the joke in this one via Andy29). Line up against another player on the football field and try to move that individual. You better be hitting your squats. Heavy presses. Triceps work. Or that person across from you will be tossing you wherever. Pick up grocery bags. Carry a ruck. Those are all "weights". There's no 'place' for weights...they're everywhere. "Sparring" was Gable's form of conditioning and working on technique. Nothing to do with building strength. I get your point and know there are weights everywhere but I was mainly talking barbells and dumbbells. I prefer bodyweight workouts cause it's fun. After being in the gym off and on for the last year, not too much has changed except a few PRs here and there. My toughest lifting is attaching the fat gripz to the dumbbells and barbells at the gym. Moving 40 lb DB with Fat Gripz is tough and really makes you focus harder in order to maintain form. The heaviest I lifted overhead with Fat Gripz was I think 230 for 3 reps. The word weights could mean anything when it comes to objects and equipment. I like Odd Object lifting from time to time, picking up a stone or when I had to haul my big ass dresser that was solid wood. Awkward lifts are more fun imo cause you can't lift them the same way a barbell or dumbbell. I learned a lot from Brooks Kubik's Dinosaur Training and a fanatic on thick bar training. I've even used Fat Gripz on handles of the Lifeline TNT Cables, I get a killer workout from that and doing a few reps of thick bar pullups. Can you tell I'm fond of stuff like that ? It is just my opinion there is nothing wrong with gym weights, but for me everyday strength comes from lifting odd shape objects and moving them around, Walking with them etc. it builds muscle strength an endurance it will work every muscle in your body.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 4, 2019 0:22:02 GMT
That was my entire point.
You stated "weights have their place".
I pointed out weights are a constant in life. Not bear crawls. Not Hindu whatevers.
Again, I use BW training and have nothing against it. But, lets be factual.
You've also posted previously that football teams, etc., do bear crawls for example, for conditioning:
Again, just not the case.
Football? Sleds, sprints, drills.
Baseball? A good friend is a coach (to include personal coaching) and he also scouts for the Atlanta Braves. A family member helped with high school baseball. I called them after I saw this and one asked me "who told you that?" Their answer? Weights, sprinting, throwing, catching."
And perhaps wrestlers use it for "conditioning", but, certainly not for strength training.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 4, 2019 0:30:38 GMT
It is just my opinion there is nothing wrong with gym weights, but for me everyday strength comes from lifting odd shape objects and moving them around, Walking with them etc. it builds muscle strength an endurance it will work every muscle in your body. Agree 100%. And if you don't have access to items for odd lifting, the gym weights provide a pretty good option to develop a solid foundation. MBS, for example, has shown you don't need to do a heavy deadlift to get great results -- something several of us have adopted.
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