Punks and thugs

[pierinifitness]

Jun 3, 2020 2:24:02 GMT MBS said:

Disgusting:

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Absolutely disgusting.  I have great memories and stories about Santa Monica starting in high school, family vacations when our children were young and the time my wife and I on a spur of the moment drove to Los Angeles to attend the 1984 Olympics.  Maybe one day I'll tell my stories.  The high school stands the test of time.  The police chief of Santa Monica is under fire from citizens for what appears to be a less than stellar police response to the looting.  


Muscle Beach Santa Monica
circa 2006

[denis]

Trouble is peaceful protests weren't working. The police are punks and thugs and have a long sordid history of it. 
cops are historically formed from the slave patrols to protect the "private property" of business owners. the main role 
of cops is not to "protect and serve" but rather to serve business. So if you own land-that was the primary requirement to be 
a citizen. "we'll crack your skulls like we did in 68", said at the 1996 protest of the corporate state DNC. A military formation of cops. 

Ned Beaumont wrote The Policeman Is Your Friend And Other Lies : "Who among us is really willing to “shoot the bastards� – not only now, but ever? Taking up arms, then, is not only unlikely, but also foolish and wrong. Two of those ancient virtues – prudence and justice – that would have been important either to Cicero or to Confucius, argue against violence and in favor of shunning.
Begin with justice. As much as any anarchist's visceral reaction to agents of the State is liable to be double-ought buckshot, shooting is the just response only in extreme cases. Self-defense, of course, is always justified. Otherwise, as much as we hate them, police and bureaucrats rarely threaten our lives; instead they frequently attack both property and dignity in petty ways, and they do so out of ignorance." 
 
Just disgusting
Mass Media Mind Control starts by the militarized imperial cops targeting the media with physical violence
slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/minneapolis-police-injure-arrest-journalists-protests.html

Attacks on the press were not limited to Minneapolis. A day earlier, for example, the U.S. Press Freedom Tracker said Sunday morning that it was working to “verify and document at least 68 instances of journalists assaulted, arrested and equipment damaged from protests the last two nights.”
www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/journalists-become-targets-while-covering-americas-unraveling

[jonrock]

The MEDIA is powerful:
It shapes people's mind via constant repetition.
It polarizes opinions to divide people.
It convinces people to love what they hate.
It changes its "ideals" and opinions 180° and thus people following it have no critical mind: today it is A and nothing else, tomorrow B, the next none of them and yesterday it was all of them.
It uses certain SYMBOLS which permeate modern "culture".
It changes its actors and actresses, but the show goes on with a carefully plotted script.

Who are the writers?
Of course not the actors, which change frequently.
Look at the big picture.
All the actors come from certain "societies".
Why even actors who seemingly hate each other and each belong to different "political parties" come from the same societies?
Is it casual or causal?

I only look at what people do, not what they say: all the actors are of the same kind and come from the same place, that is why they do similar things. They follow the script, no matter what their words are. Apply the socratic method.

No one decent can get to the top: elites perpetuate themselves, they prepare their actors to continue dividing and misguiding us: media, political parties, cinema, music, advertisements, etc...it is all about shepherd the masses.
They do not suffer consequences such as wars, inmigration, different political eras, etc..
That is why they continue to be on top and each crisis only reinforces their power.
They create the "situations" and control the outcomes.
How could it be any other way?
People love to think they are in control of their destiny, but the truth is most people need guidance and to be fed ideas, ideals, trends: to be part of something. Today there are many "somethings". People are not be given freedom, but a facsimile, a virtuality which allows them to believe they have control: they can vote, but they will never decide anything. No one other than the elites decides anything.
The masses will convince themselves their vote does something, and in fact it does: to continue the farce.
It is predetermined that the masses live this way and will not rebel in any useful way, but will fight over their ideals and shepherds/actors. Said actors are put there by the elites/masters and reap material benefits out of doing their bidding. Said actors change, elites do not. We, the masses, fight to survive and fight each other.

The world is aimed towards a target and it is being moved fast.

[chanduthemagician]

Do people ever protest black on black violence? That kills more blacks than any racially motivated violence. I"m certainly not defending racism. It should not exist and should be fought at every opportunity. However it's a fact that blacks kill more blacks than any other race.

Also the very people that trotted out the "institutional racism" are the very folks that have been at the helm and could have corrected it the last 50 years. We've long had democrats and black and black democrats in postions of leadership in the inner cities, in the federal gov't etc. Biden was there under Obama and with Holder. Why didn't they fix the issue? Now Joe is going to? Give me a break.

Looters - fucking low life opportunists that we would be way better off without.

George Soros and Antifa had a plan. They just needed an opportunity. Officer Chauvin gave them the opportunity. The fact that it came during Covid 19 magnified the effects.

[jrmeatplow]

[jrmeatplow]

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[jrmeatplow]

[jrmeatplow]

[Silverlooks]

Jun 2, 2020 21:02:19 GMT Silverlooks said:

I'm interested to know the prevailing opinion among Natives regarding the recent events, where everyone has been brawling on their land.

A decent article, apparently their view is somehow balanced, with blame towards both European Americans and African Americans for neglecting the many cases of racism against Natives:

www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2020/06/02/montana-tribal-members-native-americans-react-george-floyd-protests-death/5308845002/

"The African American population often gets the spotlight on racism, but our struggle is very similar," Falcon said. "We also deal with racism on a daily basis, so this touches home for us, too. Native Americans are often dehumanized and portrayed as savages. It seems like we get forgotten because America is ashamed, or embarrassed about its treatment of us."

"This country is quite literally founded on stolen lands and the conquering of many peoples, thousands of tribes. But we have a small population; we don't have a large representation in media. As individuals and culturally, we are not as vocal. We haven't had a Dr. (Martin Luther) King or a Dr. Cornel West. We've had other scholars, activists and educators, but our voice is much smaller," he said.

Lance Morris, 62, a member of the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes and local activist, said unrest is a familiar story in America.

He remembers the ransacking of the Bureau of Indian Affairs building, the burning of a courthouse in South Dakota and protests at Wounded Knee in the 1970s. He also attended Stewart Indian School, which, along with other boarding schools in the country, punished students for embracing their cultural identity.

It's hard for Morris to reconcile new anti-racist movements with past injustices. He often wonders where the protesters were when he was fighting for equality.

"We've had the Indian Removal Act, Trail of Tears, ethnic cleansing and genocide. This man didn't deserve to die, and it's very tragic, but where were these people when we needed them to stand?" he said. "Indigenous women, men and children go missing and are murdered every day ... where's the outrage for them? Where's the outrage for the generational trauma that people are still dealing with on reservations? We're still being forgotten."

[chanduthemagician]

Jun 3, 2020 14:49:49 GMT jrmeatplow said:

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With regard to the reporter and the gunfire sounds

kstp.com/news/kstp-social-media-video-rich-reeve/5745088/

[mr potatohead]

I see we're getting down to it now.

[mr potatohead]

Jun 3, 2020 15:06:46 GMT Silverlooks said:

Jun 2, 2020 21:02:19 GMT Silverlooks said:

I'm interested to know the prevailing opinion among Natives regarding the recent events, where everyone has been brawling on their land.

A decent article, apparently their view is somehow balanced, with blame towards both European Americans and African Americans for neglecting the many cases of racism against Natives:

www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2020/06/02/montana-tribal-members-native-americans-react-george-floyd-protests-death/5308845002/

"The African American population often gets the spotlight on racism, but our struggle is very similar," Falcon said. "We also deal with racism on a daily basis, so this touches home for us, too. Native Americans are often dehumanized and portrayed as savages. It seems like we get forgotten because America is ashamed, or embarrassed about its treatment of us."

"This country is quite literally founded on stolen lands and the conquering of many peoples, thousands of tribes. But we have a small population; we don't have a large representation in media. As individuals and culturally, we are not as vocal. We haven't had a Dr. (Martin Luther) King or a Dr. Cornel West. We've had other scholars, activists and educators, but our voice is much smaller," he said.

Lance Morris, 62, a member of the Assiniboine and Sioux tribes and local activist, said unrest is a familiar story in America.

He remembers the ransacking of the Bureau of Indian Affairs building, the burning of a courthouse in South Dakota and protests at Wounded Knee in the 1970s. He also attended Stewart Indian School, which, along with other boarding schools in the country, punished students for embracing their cultural identity.

It's hard for Morris to reconcile new anti-racist movements with past injustices. He often wonders where the protesters were when he was fighting for equality.

"We've had the Indian Removal Act, Trail of Tears, ethnic cleansing and genocide. This man didn't deserve to die, and it's very tragic, but where were these people when we needed them to stand?" he said. "Indigenous women, men and children go missing and are murdered every day ... where's the outrage for them? Where's the outrage for the generational trauma that people are still dealing with on reservations? We're still being forgotten."

Ironic and sad that a people who came here to obtain religious freedom, then proceeded to try to subjugate and indoctrinate the people who were native to the land. It is the Indians, or Native Americans if you're pc current, who receive my greatest empathy.

[Silverlooks]

Jun 3, 2020 18:25:30 GMT mr potatohead said:

Ironic and sad that a people who came here to obtain religious freedom, then proceeded to try to subjugate and indoctrinate the people who were native to the land. It is the Indians, or Native Americans if you're pc current, who receive my greatest empathy.

Exactly, I sympathize with natives everywhere in the world, as they are the authentic victims of subjugation and discrimination.

[billfish]

A lot of opinions here but the bottom line is that there is widespread RIOTING here in the U.S.
It's not all peaceful protest as the media would have you believe
I have been in touch with family and friends in NYC and it's a war zone with rioters and looters pretty much being allowed to do what they want.....the police have used incredible restraint and many officers have been injured. My friends on the FDNY stated that fire engines are also under attack and have been shot at
The useless communist mayor and the useless governor are twiddling their thumbs while NYC is being rampaged as are other cities in NY State
Due to their "no bail" policy, rioters are being arrested and then released !
At some point this is going to explode into a civil war if allowed to continue....a lot of people who support peaceful protest are fed up with the rioting, looting, arson and attacks upon innocent people. 
The line needs to be drawn....this is not peaceful protest, this is anarchy and chaos and needs to be brought under control
Gun sales are SKYROCKETING according to a friend who is in a position to know....people feel that the police are not going to protect anything anymore and the rioters are allowed to do and go wherever they want
Time to start shooting the rioters....the party is over and this has been going on for a week now with no end in sight
Where I live....people don't believe in calling the police, they will handle it themselves
This was never about George Floyd, it was about an opportunity to steal, burn, riot and attack people
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either blind or an absolute fool

[macky]

Billfish is right.  Why should innocent people of all colour suffer at the hands of thuggery and violence ?   They were not responsible for imagined and actual decisions that compromised racial groups of the People in the past.  A thug is a thug.   

I can agree with "natives everywhere" opinion, but only up to a point.  In certain cases like NZ, if the natives had been allowed to carry on with the new pakeha weapons that were obtained off their own initiative by travelling to England to get them, then causing widespread raiding and bloodshed on different tribes of their own people,  they would most likely have decimated themselves.

Today, most if not all natives are mixed breed and that is because we've all inter-married or jumped the fence.  I'm not saying things are all sweet here, but we have a relatively stable society where most of us stay within the law and help each other in different ways.

And what of those African countries returned to black rule ?  They were fighting each other before the white man came,  and they carried right on after he left.  Violence is violence, wherever and whenever it is.

We had a 2000-person protest here in Auckland.  They all broke Covid 19 social distancing rules, but the organizers put in place forms and other measures to help tracking if any became infected.

As far as I know, the protest remained peaceful, whether one thinks it was warranted or not.  With the sheer extent of of the violence in America, one cannot help but think that there's an agenda (or more) going on.   

And if the violence continues to escalate, I would expect to see martial law imposed, at least regionally if not the entire country.  That would also enable any previously-planned changes that may have been legally challenged to take place without any argument, and the internment of arrested rioters in detention camps.

In a detention camp, life can be quite different than any prison for someone interred under martial law.  I don't think the average law-abiding citizen would mind too much, would they ?