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Post by macky on Jun 2, 2020 20:52:06 GMT
The reason I posted that response is because we NOW finally have my straight out original statement in focus, instead of endless convoluted information re what Trump has or has not done, comparisons to Obama etc, China, the WHO, none of it relevant to my plain assertion based on many links that were requested by TR, of Trump's documented and itemized chronic lying.
Whether SOME of that information came from left newspapers does NOT mean that I endorse them in total, as TR asserts, then continues to make oblique references to same.
It is quite possible to read a book or newspaper with a select piece of information in it that is true, without agreeing with anything else said book or newspaper reports, or its tendency to be left right or centre.
I have also mentioned a Fox commentator saying the same things i.e. that much of what Trump speaks is BS. And there are sites that are NOT newspapers where academics and professional psychologists have said much the same things, with speculations on Trump's state of mind.
So, addressing my statements which do not depend on extensive research re China, WHO, what Obama did, or Trump has done, are plain and simple. That I endorse Washington Post or hold it in high esteem, is simply not true.
Whatever else is said, the evidence for Trump's chronic lying is extensive, both before Covid 19, and since. One of those links I submitted were from last year before the Covid thing was underway in America.
You and I know that if specific examples of chronic lying posted around the country and the world are not true, that is a strong case for legal action, especially due to the extensive nature of the info broad-casted.
That that has not happened is an indication that there is no redress possible. Therefore, said references stand a good chance of being true, and if so, it is also well-known that chronic liars are not to be trusted. Plain and simple.
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 21:00:55 GMT
Macky,
You continue to post incorrect and subjective information, based on bias that aligns with your opinions. Opinions formed by additon biased resources you deem credible because they support your opinion.
You're wrong about your allegation that Trump is a chronic liar.
And, your failure to admit you're wrong regarding Trump being a chronic liar despite showing a) your claims don't meet the definition or criteria of Trump being a chronic liar, b) your acceptance of TV shrinks and c) my posting facts proving you're incorrect is disappointing.
Not sure how you can constantly pretend to understand what is happening with the US, the media misreporting and bias in the US, our politicians and all of the issues affecting this mix while sitting somewhere in New Zealand.
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Post by Silverlooks on Jun 2, 2020 21:02:19 GMT
I'm interested to know the prevailing opinion among Natives regarding the recent events, where everyone has been brawling on their land.
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 21:11:15 GMT
Macky, Your entrusted sources via the links you posted have zero credibility and the complicated/incestuous relationships between the media, the Democratic party is something you clearly don't understand. And -- let me add one more item since you don't have even an inkling of how this works: China? China's been a major donor to the DNC (Democratic National Party) and has been caught multiple times. Johnny Chung in the 90s with Clinton and the DNC was when it finally came to light. (And I guess you never wondered how Joe Biden cut such a profitable deal for his son with China worth $1.5b, did you? US media like your Washington Post said there's no evidence of wrongdoing...right.) Lets start here and this is just one example:
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Post by macky on Jun 2, 2020 22:46:59 GMT
There you go again bringing up all sorts of information which I have already said I'm not debating. I've said Trump is a chronic liar, based on NZ news media prompts, (but not confirming it) and further investigation of sites which have nothing to do with what you're posting.
You're completely off the wall.
Nobody would probably know everything there is to know about the entire US media. It would take up too much of the day, simply trying to read everything current, not to mention past articles, political bias, the underlying connections and meanings etc.
Nevertheless, there are some fairly simple assumptions one can make on available information and is not necessarily based on what political position the source takes.
It would hardly be the done thing for a Trump-supporting publication to be itemizing his lies, or focusing on other short-comings, in such detail. That is a given, and should be remembered.
Therefore any such list would logically be found in a publication whose political bias is against Trump. To try and provide some balance, one of my links was of a Fox commentator, who was critical of Trump's "bs" etc.
Another link was of Wikipedia. You have pretty much disparaged that source because you yourself have corrected Wiki from time to time. Logically, the fact that you were able to correct the site, and presumably your correction remained standing, was confirmation of a site who states that wherever possible, said site would try and remain impartial and unbiased.
You've completely ignored those two examples.
If Wiki was Left as you imply (as you do implying my endorsement of Washington Post, when no such thing is true) they would have taken your correction down and scrubbed it. So with the number of editors and contributors that regularly monitor and edit Wiki, it can hardly be called a site that has much in the way of political bias at all.
Your "bulk-implication" mindset, where just because a source is Left, everything in it should be automatically discarded, is an indication of your own extreme bias, and has been borne out by your attitudes to other debates we have engaged on, in the past. Said debates were notable for your illogical conclusions and almost total lack of evidence for your position, despite me supplying quite lot of plain mainstream evidence to you.
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 23:10:45 GMT
There you go again bringing up all sorts of information which I have already said I'm not debating. I've said Trump is a chronic liar, based on NZ news media prompts, (but not confirming it) and further investigation of sites which have nothing to do with what you're posting. You're completely off the wall. Nobody would probably know everything there is to know about the entire US media. It would take up too much of the day, simply trying to read everything current, not to mention past articles, political bias, the underlying connections and meanings etc. Nevertheless, there are some fairly simple assumptions one can make on available information and is not necessarily based on what political position the source takes. It would hardly be the done thing for a Trump-supporting publication to be itemizing his lies, or focusing on other short-comings, in such detail. That is a given, and should be remembered. Therefore any such list would logically be found in a publication whose political bias is against Trump. To try and provide some balance, one of my links was of a Fox commentator, who was critical of Trump's "bs" etc. Another link was of Wikipedia. You have pretty much disparaged that source because you yourself have corrected Wiki from time to time. Logically, the fact that you were able to correct the site, and presumably your correction remained standing, was confirmation of a site who states that wherever possible, said site would try and remain impartial and unbiased. You've completely ignored those two examples. If Wiki was Left as you imply (as you do implying my endorsement of Washington Post, when no such thing is true) they would have taken your correction down and scrubbed it. So with the number of editors and contributors that regularly monitor and edit Wiki, it can hardly be called a site that has much in the way of political bias at all. Your "bulk-implication" mindset, where just because a source is Left, everything in it should be automatically discarded, is an indication of your own extreme bias, and has been borne out by your attitudes to other debates we have engaged on, in the past. Said debates were notable for your illogical conclusions and almost total lack of evidence for your position, despite me supplying quite lot of plain mainstream evidence to you. Macky, Your problem is, you have absolutely no credibility based on your sources. "Mainstream" in the US associates media outlets with a far more complicated set of issues that you're completely unaware. Sitting behind your PC and reading Washington Post and Atlantic links does not make you an expert on Trump, the US, what really happened with COVID, etc. Again, as you continue to ignore -- or perhaps fail to understand -- there's a lot more happening here than your view "Trump is a chronic liar". I've continuously pointed out many US media organizations which are run by anti-Trump, anti-GOP individuals including Bezos (the Post), CNN (Zucker), etc., have no issues posting factually incorrect information regarding Trump, bringing on only anti-Trump people for interviews, etc. (BTW, you mentioned Fox? They have Donna Brazile -- former head of the DNC. They have Juan Williams, a former NPR newsman (a very left-leaning news organization). You don't see that with the Post or your other esteemed references you're so beholden to.) And again, you demonstrate your failure to grasp the reality of what is happening in the US based on your response to that graphic I posted. I show that to anyone with half a brain here in the US and they go "holy shit, no wonder the media's so f-d up." Or "no wonder CNN (pick the news organization) never reports anything regarding what is happening with the Democrats." That Anderson Cooper video should have sealed it. Nope, instead, you pretend to have your finger on the pulse regarding Trump, COVID-19, etc., etc., and simply don't have a clue.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 2, 2020 23:14:28 GMT
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 23:24:02 GMT
Macky's not interested in facts...
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Post by macky on Jun 3, 2020 0:36:19 GMT
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Post by macky on Jun 3, 2020 0:56:41 GMT
Macky, Your problem is, you have absolutely no credibility based on your sources. "Mainstream" in the US associates media outlets with a far more complicated set of issues that you're completely unaware. Sitting behind your PC and reading Washington Post and Atlantic links does not make you an expert on Trump, the US, what really happened with COVID, etc. Again, as you continue to ignore -- or perhaps fail to understand -- there's a lot more happening here than your view "Trump is a chronic liar". I've continuously pointed out many US media organizations which are run by anti-Trump, anti-GOP individuals including Bezos (the Post), CNN (Zucker), etc., have no issues posting factually incorrect information regarding Trump, bringing on only anti-Trump people for interviews, etc. (BTW, you mentioned Fox? They have Donna Brazile -- former head of the DNC. They have Juan Williams, a former NPR newsman (a very left-leaning news organization). You don't see that with the Post or your other esteemed references you're so beholden to.) And again, you demonstrate your failure to grasp the reality of what is happening in the US based on your response to that graphic I posted. I show that to anyone with half a brain here in the US and they go "holy shit, no wonder the media's so f-d up." Or "no wonder CNN (pick the news organization) never reports anything regarding what is happening with the Democrats." That Anderson Cooper video should have sealed it. Nope, instead, you pretend to have your finger on the pulse regarding Trump, COVID-19, etc., etc., and simply don't have a clue. I have never for one moment said I was any kind of an expert on Trump, the US, Covid 19, or anything else relating to the US. I have made a simple statement based on multiple citations (which you called for) and you have responded by the mass dumping of large amounts of information which is basically irrelevant to my primary statement and conclusion. The graphic you posted like all the others is irrelevant to what I said for the reasons I've given. The source of my information is both left and right, and I know the media is not always reliable, and has been classified according to that, but not all media I quoted from is Left, and not all sources I derived my assertion from are newspapers. You've ignored the lot. I've never pretended to have anything like a "finger on the pulse" at all, and your continued "arguments" are entirely your own "logical" interpretations of your own political leanings. In other words, presenting largely irrelevant information and making incorrect assertions of your opposition, while ignoring what they say. Your statement re I don't have a clue is exactly what you said in a past debate we were having a few years back, when you blew up and spat the dummy.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 3, 2020 1:00:35 GMT
Macky, it’s there, click it.
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Post by macky on Jun 3, 2020 1:31:20 GMT
Macky, it’s there, click it. Sorry pierini, I didn't realize that was a link. Okay, in the meantime, I'll take that correction, thank you. Better (relevant) info, better judgement. I'll have a look around later and see if there's anything else on the Wiki thing.
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Post by MBS on Jun 3, 2020 2:24:02 GMT
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Post by MBS on Jun 3, 2020 2:29:56 GMT
^^^^^What happened to Floyd was wrong. ^^^^^^
And I’m all for peaceful, constructive protests. But this sh*t has nothing to do with Floyd.
Just criminal behavior, plain and simple.
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Post by macky on Jun 3, 2020 2:54:30 GMT
^^^^^What happened to Floyd was wrong. ^^^^^^ And I’m all for peaceful, constructive protests. But this sh*t has nothing to do with Floyd. Just criminal behavior, plain and simple. Absolutely agree.
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