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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 1, 2020 3:20:47 GMT
So this George Floyd thing has gotten out of hand with punks and thugs opportunists using a legitimate peaceful protest to turn it into an opportunity to destroy private property and loot businesses. I'm sure many here are at least reading the news headlines. It's happening as I peck this out in my city and it's absolutely disgusting. It's too well-orchestrated to just randomly happen as elected officials in other cities have said. I hope law enforcement gets to the bottom of who the organizers are so they can be publicly lashed with whips while hanging from barbwire with clothespins piercing their coward titties. google find photoMost of the action is downtown by the State Capitol, less than one mile from my office.
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Post by macky on Jun 1, 2020 4:30:13 GMT
"I hope law enforcement gets to the bottom of who the organizers are so they can be publicly lashed with whips while hanging from barbwire with clothespins piercing their coward titties."
There is one law that is irrefutable. Violence begats violence. There are always those who will take advantage of a situation to "party" and cause damage on a thrill-seeking binge.
The start of all this wasn't because of that. It was a long-held resentment of police violence against race, and others who can't speak for themselves, boiling over.
America's had a long history of it.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 1, 2020 5:19:15 GMT
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Post by macky on Jun 1, 2020 6:45:34 GMT
That's at least 70 years old in this country, pierini. Strike breakers back in the early 50s were paid to go and baton heads of striking wharfies (watersiders).
We've had people paid to agitate at political meetings with the "appropriate response" from the speaker. Others have turned up en masse either as support or resistance at meetings. It's old hat.
And why shouldn't it be a professional undertaking in the land of the Almighty Dollar ? I mean after all, isn't that what capitalism is all about ? Making a few lira ?
Questions could include : How far are those professionals been told to go re vandalism etc ? I'm sure any self-respecting crowd agitator would have limits, if he/she wanted to do that sort of thing on an ongoing basis, as a money-making enterprise.
How many in a crowd of mixed genuine protestors and professionals are one or the other ? And are there any enquiries by the FBI or other security agencies whether there is an agenda from a foreign country ? We've already had speculation about foreign interference with US elections...…….
"Maybe the paid protesters will catch Coronavirus and die. That would be fine with me." Oh, you terrible man, pierini Would that include those paid protestors who stick to peaceful protest, no matter what, even under rubber bullet fire ?
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 1, 2020 14:57:07 GMT
People have assumed that, since they saw a video of a guy on the ground with cops on top, one having a knee somewhere around his neck/head, that the cop is automatically guilty. Has anyone seen any video of Mr Floyd's behavior and the cops' behavior prior to taking him down? Are they positive that Mr Floyd was not taking any prescription medications? There are two conditions, Excited Delirium and Capture Myopathy that may be a clue to what actually caused his death. My point is that it's not yet clear, but emotions are running high and people are tired of being locked down for no good reason.
I respect law enforcement. They have a difficult job. The ones I know, of any color, are some of the best humans out there. I count on them to hold to their oath. Sure, there will be that small percent that are bad and there may be more of the bad element in certain geographical areas, I realize this, and this cop crew may have been from the dark side ...... However, IMO the explosion of protests in numbers and destruction seems like an overreaction, and it appears that the ones causing destruction are not the protestors. They're an element that wants to make the protestors look bad. In all it seems to me like another fabricated diversion to distract attention from the things that we really need to pay attention to and fix.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 16:39:03 GMT
Just seems like a good excuse for black people to get together and play the victim card again while waving black lives matter banners oh and to loot every store they come by . If black lives really mattered to black people then why don't they protest for all the black on black killings that happen all the time ? I'll tell you why because it don't fit the narrative of whitey killing black people and the victim card goes right out the window with the black lives matter banners too !
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 1, 2020 16:51:45 GMT
We're getting a curfew tonight in my city thanks to these thugs and punks. A buddy of mine called me this morning and he was taking a walk around downtown and midtown to get his morning walking exercise but also to survey the damage. It's absolutely disgusting. Those who have empathy for the protesters are not likely business owners or property owners who have had, or are at high risk, for being victims of damage or lootings. One on one, these punks and thugs are nothing, even for an old turd like me. Their strength is in their numbers. Hope they all get caught and hung by their balls.
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Post by billfish on Jun 1, 2020 18:42:14 GMT
Macky it's not about race....it's about rioting, burning, looting and beating innocent business owners Of the 4 cops involved in the Floyd killing one was white, one was black, one was hispanic and one was asian, people could have protested without ransacking.... Did you see the videos of white people being attacked and beaten by murderous thugs ....one showed them beating a woman and her husband as they tried to protect their business Their is NO justification for what's going on.....if they wanted to peacefully protest they could have, this is just outright rioting As you know I spent 21 years a a New York City fireman in the worst high crime/high fire black neighborhoods in NYC I saw this activity to a lesser degree many times....we had things thrown at us, we were shot at, cursed and called "white mother-fuckers"etc This by people we risked our lives to help and myself and many of the guys I worked with were seriously burned and injured....on one occasion boiling water was dumped out of a window on us and on another bricks were thrown from the upper floors of a high rise building at us just missing us. Vacant buildings that they would set on fire were booby-trapped with holes cut in the floors and covered over so the firemen would fall through were common. My one old car was stolen and twice my other old car was broken into by the firehouse The firehouse was broken into and items like the TV set robbed.....on the corner of one firehouse the black thugs from the housing projects would mug elderly people as they went to cash their social security checks on a regular basis....these people had no place else to cash them and i have opened the door several times to witness old people covered in blood from where these bastards punched and kicked them as they robbed them. Only once were we able to catch one of them in the act and we threw him head first down the firehouse stairs into the cellar where we beat the shit out of him before calling the cops. The firehouse doors had bullet holes in them and so did one of the fire engines.....a guy even shot at us from the sidewalk behind the firehouse just missing us....the bullets were striking the firehouse back wall just over my head The blacks are their own biggest enemy and this country has bent over backwards to address the wrongs of the past If you are black, you don't even have to pass the written test for the fire department that everyone else has to pass.... you are a protected species who will be given special treatment and preference "Diversity" and "Inclusion" have turned this country upside down....it's no longer who is qualified for a job, it's what color you are Nothing will ever change in the black community despite billions of dollars being spent to help them improve their lives....they don't want to change, but want to "keep it real" Violence, murder, robbery, drugs, destruction and fatherless children (future criminals).....commonplace in black America.....and none of it done by white Americans The prisons are full of black criminals.....and no, they are not just innocent victims of a a racist country I'm sick and tired of all the hand wringing and excuses made for the behavior of black Americans.....there is hardly a black community anywhere in the U.S. that is not overrun by crime and drugs.They destroy everything built for them.....the housing projects are overrun with roaches and the doors of the elevators kicked off the tracks into the pit on a regular basis, gunfire is a normal sound and the residents don't give a fuck.They even rob the people who are fire victims....we caught a guy stealing a woman's TV from her apartment....he lived down the block ! "Gotta' get over" and "gotta' get mine" are the slogans of many blacks and they couldn't care less about their communities, neighborhoods and families. And it's not the fault of the rest of Americans. You aren't getting the full story living in another country Believe me....it's not "whitey's' fault Yes, i'm disgusted with this crap, i saw enough of this shit to last me two lifetimes. These people will never change....they want it handed to them and they will eternally be the victims. "Brother" ....my ass.....I remember a car accident where the seriously injured people in the car had the chains and other jewelry ripped from their necks We used to call ourselves "babysitters" because these lazy bastards wouldn't do anything for themselves....water leaking through the ceiling ? Call the fire department instead of going upstairs and speaking to the neighbors to inquire about the problem....usually this occurred about 3AM after days of it leaking. Trash ? Throw it out of a window and fill a backyard with it, along with the mice and roaches...then discard your burning cigarette butts into this knee deep pile of crap and set it on fire Yes.....that was what it was and still is like....these people love to call each other "nigger"....they have no respect for themselves , anyone else or anything besides getting over I am a fair minded person, but these people drove me to consider them worthless and lazy...watch how they beat those helpless white people in the videos and you will also see how savage they can be Come spend some time in the black ghetto and get to know these people, I guarantee you will come away with a different opinion
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Post by billfish on Jun 1, 2020 20:34:39 GMT
Here are the downtrodden youths beating a woman and her husband......too bad these people couldn't shoot these bastards !
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 1, 2020 21:40:31 GMT
I'm speechless.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jun 1, 2020 22:14:53 GMT
Btw, there are protests about this in London in the UK. Not even the same country or judicial system. Tell me with a straight face that this isn't something orchestrated.
Of course if we say that somehow we could detain all the rioters for mandatory Covid 19 testing for the "greater good of all" I'm sure mackie would be all for that.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 1, 2020 23:39:53 GMT
So, apparently the National Guard has rolled into my city and is ready to go. My guess is that the punks and thugs will cool it because deep down inside, they're pussies. I hope I'm wrong and that they're out so the Guard solders can get some target practice. I'm disgusted with my city's limp wrist mayor and ditto for Teflon Governor Newsom. If there's anything good that can come from this it would be lots of folks start taking them red pills.
Had the misfortune to catch part of MSN's live coverage of Washington DC and just about puked listening to some estrogen-drenched male reporter giving his empathetic coverage of the doings in Washington DC in his feminine high pitched voice; absolutely disgusting!
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Post by macky on Jun 2, 2020 0:00:22 GMT
For Billfish especially, and everyone else. I am a Red White & Blue supporter and backer, no question. The heroic firemen (which I've said before, Billfish is one of them) routinely put their safety and lives at risk to save life and property. The Ambulance people face ghastly sights routinely in their chosen duty to try and save life and clean up the mess off the road of some accident, going into houses where they've been attacked etc. The Police I have supported every time I had occasion to do so, their job is hugely difficult in these times of Political Correctness, which to my mind has gone way too far.
I am sorry if I have given the impression that I favour any race against "whitey", no matter how badly they behave. I believe that people, or groups thereof and in the absence of outright military dictatorship, ultimately engineer their own neighbourhoods and quality of their existence. Whatever race they are, if their elders and leaders can't or won't stop the bad behaviour of their children, then the violence and unrest continues.
That can only have one result. More violence. I have no argument whatsoever with the things that Billfish is saying, and I applaud him for carrying on with it for some 22 years. That takes guts.
As a somewhat milder example here, I had a Maori wife for 33 years until her demise 12 years ago. I became aware of SOME historical injustices against Maori in this country, particularly in the 1800's and most notably, as recent as 14 years ago, mainly through Maori land acquisitions ultimately by Big Money aided by public servants using the law in ways that diminished Maori land-owner rights i.e. local Council "bylaws". Since my wife's passing, I took over her Maori land work for her family (which is my family, of course) and have gone into bat for other Maori families that don't even know what they own and what they don't.
Most of them have been thankful they had someone around that could show them what they had, and point them in the right legal direction to get some resolve for their families. But I am NOT going to take responsibility for actions by the British Crown 150 years ago, just because I look like a Pakeha (European), and when some young "maori" idiot (who also has European lineage, there are virtually no more "full-blood Maori" in the country,) comes up to me and accosts me for "trying to take land off Maori" which is an impossibility even if I wanted to, the retort is always the same "get some fucking knowledge about what you're talking first, then come back to me with your Pakeha/Maori nonsense". They are also reminded that if they want to go around shooting Pakeha, then shoot their own Kupapa (traitors) first, starting with their Parliament Maori MP's who voted in favour for the latest land-grab by the govt.
Everybody loves to hate the white man, particularly those of African origin. We know what happened in those countries once "whitey" handed them over to black rule. Degeneration into tribal genocide in many cases. Blacks killing blacks.
I am also of the opinion that persons of any colour who use some excuse hundreds of miles away to go around smashing unrelated and innocent peoples' properties and beating them up should be served up proper justice, not molly-coddled with a short jail term and/or a smack on the hand. The young thug that had some attention dealt to him by Billfish's firemen was lucky said firemen were not Chinese. They take a VERY dim view of young thugs beating up old people. Those thugs should be rounded up and made to help rebuilding what they broke, and pay for it. If it takes them 30 years to pay for the whole thing back to what it was, then so be it. As 40+ year olds, they will look back on their actions with hopefully some regret.
I believe the law is too soft here, as well. We had an habitual crim open up on Police with an AK-47 recently. I don't know about their markmanship, but they should have simply shot him dead no question. He got a mere 12 years, with probably better meals than most of the population gets on the outside.
For mikey, re where this all started in Minneapolis, I think that it's fairly well video'd with additional footage, that the guy had two or three police on top of him prior to the "knee on the neck" shots, and that he was cuffed from behind, laying on the ground with officers standing over him. If there had been some need for a knee on the neck momentarily, then one could say that it MAY have been justified. But Chauvin was an experienced cop of 19 years service, and to have held his knee on the guy's neck for nine minutes is excessive in any man's language.
I don't think that citing Chauvin's past record for violence is helpful. What must be determined is whether his actions caused death. Personally I do not think there's much doubt of that. The guy was already under control and posed no further threat, if indeed there was any in the first place. The next thing to determine is whether it was gross negligence or a willful act. Either way, Chauvin should face a jail term, because as one who is against thuggery and violence (but sometimes that's all some thug is going to understand, so give him a bit of his own treatment), violence behind a uniform is particularly despicable.
What all the rioting and unrest throughout the country is about, I believe there are many causes, and one of the actions the Law should take (for a start) is to identify those professionals that pierini speaks of who are caught on camera smashing things up and beating people, deal to them individually by making them think twice about that type of behaviour the next time (if there is any) and hold the management of those professional companies accountable, to the point they are shut down. Finish.
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 0:03:45 GMT
There's video evidence, Twitter posts, FB posts validating the violence has been orchestrated and coordinated. eg There was an Antifa post calling for the destruction to move into middle and upper class neighborhoods; another was made by a "Israel_Breaux" on Saturday on Twitter calling for attacks on Dallas neighborhoods (https://twitter.com/israel_breaux?lang=en).
Antifa Austin called for attacks on local homes, businesses that if they were found to be Christians, Trump supporters, etc., until they were found out by law enforcement and Twitter and shut down. Just down the road, after a minor incident a near us involving a law enforcement officer trying to remove two 16 yr old girls who driven from across town and had tried to enter a private party to disrupt it, "Black Lives Matter" along Antifa thugs showed up a few days later despite the officers being suspended and the girls cited for trespassing and property minor damage. The thugs destroyed property, cars along with threatened local residents -- over a block away from the incident who weren't even part of the party.
What came out from this situation? The FBI and three local police departments confirmed these individuals that were strongly suspected of committing the damage, making the threats were wanted or had been arrested for similar or worse actions in places such as Portland, St. Louis and elsewhere including arson and assault.
Further, support for these groups has been traced to funds from outside of the US with George Soros being a major suspect.
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Post by macky on Jun 2, 2020 0:05:27 GMT
Btw, there are protests about this in London in the UK. Not even the same country or judicial system. Tell me with a straight face that this isn't something orchestrated. Of course if we say that somehow we could detain all the rioters for mandatory Covid 19 testing for the "greater good of all" I'm sure mackie would be all for that. Yes of course, I'm all for that. They should be the subjects for the very first testing of the New Covid 19 Mk I wonder-vaccine ! If spuds start growing out their ears and they turn a delicate shade of purple, at least they should be thankful they performed a positive service for society, for a change. Much more useful than being hung up by their balls. Tut tut...pierini.
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