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Post by Michael on Feb 2, 2019 14:08:05 GMT
AS far as getting weaker at lifting during a 10 month break from weightlifting, you don't get better at ANYTHING by NOT doing it. Yes Sir. It use to crack me up when guys would say that would stop doing push-ups and pull-ups to do only do DVRs. Three to Four months later they go back to push-ups and pull-ups they magically added more reps. Not happening. Just like if You don't lift something heavy for a long time You're not going to be able to lift heavier than before. Like Texas said, "Specific Adaption to Imposed Demand".
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 2, 2019 15:45:12 GMT
Started trying this exercise combo which is a variation of a burpee but using more of the classic Indian Wrestling exercises. I do a basic version of this and not go so fast that form is crappy. My goal was to hit 25 of these in a row and ended up hitting 30. The ratio is a 1 squat, 1 pushup combo. Once I get use to it more I'll do no more than a 2-1 combo ratio. It's brutal but fun and if you're willing to go after it than make the most of it. If you're not up for it, don't do it. Great exercise to build lung power and strength-endurance. Here's how I do the 2-1 ratio with pushup handles. http://instagr.am/p/BtMwICOn0Ql bigben84, Did you have a recent injury? Are you doing this exercise to aid recovery or just to improve "lung power and strength-endurance"? Spuds, Very good question! Benny, If one has an injury, why would you be doing ballistic exercises like burpees? Or for that matter, why would you be participating in BJJ and risk re-injuring yourself? There are much safer approaches that don't involve ballistic movement and if you've got any low back problems, Hindu Pushups and Bridging may not be a wise choice because of the compression created by the "exercise" to the small "fingers" of the spine. (While there's discussion regarding bridging and neck safety, I'd error on the side of safer options.)
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Post by fredhutch on Feb 2, 2019 16:11:15 GMT
For what it's worth, Steve Justa in his "Iron Isometrics" says that his approach with isometrics allows you to "get used to" things you've never done. Sounds like a contradiction of course, but I think what he means is that isometrics have lots of carryover benefit to other activities...especially, I think, manual labor type activities, as he indicated in his first book "Rock Iron Steel". Not sure I agree with him but it's food for thought.
All this talk of Hindu stuff: In case you're not aware of it, there is a book called "Hanuman Power" by Marcus Quijas that is a pretty comprehensive presentation of Hindu wrestler training, covers Hindu Squats and pushups, use of the "gada", stone rings, lifting logs, rope climbing and swimming and so on, even mentions the infamous genital weight lifting, also diet. He's big on eating almonds, I looked in the grocery and nearly fainted when I saw how expensive it would be to eat them on a regular basis. He is also big on the practice of the "sun salute" as an overall body conditioner...which made me laugh because years ago I read the same in a yoga book, did about a dozen reps and was totally gassed (I was a heavy barbell man at the time). I'm thinking of giving those a go again sometime just for fun. He mentions some wrestling luminary from times past who supposedly did 2,500 sun salutes every day (consecutively, of course!)...which he indicates would take several hours at least. Yikes. Anyway it's a good book and I recommend it if you're interested in Indian physical culture...much less expensive than some of the other texts on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 16:44:58 GMT
I'll rephrase about my lifting. I haven't actually tested my strength at Max level since around 2008 and with the gym today, I can't go as often as I'd like and don't have a consistent schedule. There have been weeks where I never set foot in a gym, at one time I went over a month without going. When I do go, I just mess around and do basic stuff and play basketball or go swimming. My only real gym time is going to BJJ. Compared to the last 15+ years, 2018 was the biggest year I've ever "really" ever gone to the gym and only did it because my girl wanted to spread out more because our gym in the garage isn't doing enough for her and she wanted to explore different areas to train using the things I taught her.
I did have an injury and it is healing, it was a lower back injury from helping my fiance's Grand parents move and that was in the summer of 2017. It was slow but I'm in better shape now and have been for quite a while. I went to a chiropractor and had massages off and on and with the training I do, my back has gotten stronger.
I personally believe the bridging kept me from being in far worse shape than I was. The stretching portion of the bridge really helped and I wouldn't be able to do the things I do if it wasn't a factor.
I don't just do the back bridge either, I also do the front bridge and the gymnastic bridge or hands alone bridge. I don't do any training that compromises my body and I felt pain anywhere, I stopped and when I felt better I would do some qi gong training or joint loosening.
I do this combination exercise because it is a token of what I have come back from and after doing it a few times, I actually feel my back being relaxed and have no pain whatsoever when I do it. I also do it because I never really liked doing Hindu Pushups alone and doing big reps with it, I got bored and always felt I had to prove something. For the Hindu Squats, there was a period which you may have read a time ago, I was doing 500 Hindu Squats a day and on my 33rd Birthday July 28th, 2017, I did 1000 in 33 minutes. I was so proud of that and I hadnt touched that number in over a decade prior to that.
You can tell me all you want about safety factors and alternatives but in the end, I'm going to do what has brought me to this moment. I'm very intuitive in what I do and I've succeeded in staying in the shape I'm in. I've had setbacks sure we all have, but on a consistent level, I never take a day off of working out whether it's for 5 minutes or 2 hours, I'm doing something and I never go hard everyday of the week.
I'm very passionate in what I do. As far as BJJ is concerned, I'm not consistent with that either but have made incredible progress according to my coach who is an awesome athlete in his own right and has made champions out of his students both on and off the mat. My coach is Pablo Alfonso who is originally from Miami. The biggest issue I'm constantly being reminded of is my strength and relying on it too much. That issue is slowing down for me and my cardio is getting better. If I could train more often, who knows what I'm capable of. It's fun for me and I get to learn from new people and even got pointers from a former UFC fighter I have sparred with multiple times.
I know I can rant on and on but that's the passion in me, if you ever get a chance to be around me, I'm exactly the same as if I would talk to you directly.
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Post by Hector on Feb 2, 2019 16:47:52 GMT
Kushti practitioners include quite a lot or partnered resistance exercises in their training regimen as well as running.
Sprouted lentils (roasted or not) are often substituted to almonds in the diet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 16:54:34 GMT
Kushti practitioners include quite a lot or partnered resistance exercises in their training regimen as well as running.
Sprouted lentils (roasted or not) are often substituted to almonds in the diet.
Those guys are nuts and their conditioning is insane. I also learned many of them are Vegetarian. Gama was like that too.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 2, 2019 17:18:37 GMT
Bridging is not a stretching exercise. The people who labeled it as such were wrong.
You don't stretch your back muscles -- you contract them, your glutes, quads. And if a person can do a real bridge, add the shoulders, triceps and your abs should be contracted to help stabilize things.
But the back is compressed with any type of bridging exercise or "hindu pushup" movement.
Your choice...but the word "intuitive" is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things if one's not aware of the science, biomechanics, etc.
I don't know how many times I've read in the strength and bodybuilding magazines over the years where some guy claims he is training by 'intuition' and years later you read about this or that injury they've suffered.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 17:22:11 GMT
Bridging is not a stretching exercise. The people who labeled it as such were wrong. You don't stretch your back muscles -- you contract them, your glutes, quads. And if a person can do a real bridge, add the shoulders, triceps and your abs should be contracted to help stabilize things. But the back is compressed with any type of bridging exercise or "hindu pushup" movement. Well, it has worked for me and I love what it has done for me. You don't have to like it but I know what it does for me and I stick with it.
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Post by Michael on Feb 2, 2019 17:25:22 GMT
I did have an injury and it is healing, it was a lower back injury from helping my fiance's Grand parents move and that was in the summer of 2017. It was slow but I'm in better shape now and have been for quite a while. I went to a chiropractor and had massages off and on and with the training I do, my back has gotten stronger. Did You get an MRI to see what exactly was wrong? I've been going to a sports chiropractor for like 3 years now. Did Your chiropractor give You any exercises or tell You what to stay away from? If You go to a good one as I do, he will be very informative. I'm not going to tell You what mine told me because You don't want to hear it but hopefully, You'll learn in the long run. I hate to see anyone go through pain and stuff like this. If You or anyone else has a healthy back I'm glad for You.
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Post by Michael on Feb 2, 2019 17:26:24 GMT
For what it's worth, Steve Justa in his "Iron Isometrics" says that his approach with isometrics allows you to "get used to" things you've never done. Sounds like a contradiction of course, but I think what he means is that isometrics have lots of carryover benefit to other activities...especially, I think, manual labor type activities, as he indicated in his first book "Rock Iron Steel". Not sure I agree with him but it's food for thought. All this talk of Hindu stuff: In case you're not aware of it, there is a book called "Hanuman Power" by Marcus Quijas that is a pretty comprehensive presentation of Hindu wrestler training, covers Hindu Squats and pushups, use of the "gada", stone rings, lifting logs, rope climbing and swimming and so on, even mentions the infamous genital weight lifting, also diet. He's big on eating almonds, I looked in the grocery and nearly fainted when I saw how expensive it would be to eat them on a regular basis. He is also big on the practice of the "sun salute" as an overall body conditioner...which made me laugh because years ago I read the same in a yoga book, did about a dozen reps and was totally gassed (I was a heavy barbell man at the time). I'm thinking of giving those a go again sometime just for fun. He mentions some wrestling luminary from times past who supposedly did 2,500 sun salutes every day (consecutively, of course!)...which he indicates would take several hours at least. Yikes. Anyway it's a good book and I recommend it if you're interested in Indian physical culture...much less expensive than some of the other texts on the subject. Fred or anyone, What is the "Sun Salute"? Thanks.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 2, 2019 17:32:22 GMT
Bridging is not a stretching exercise. The people who labeled it as such were wrong. You don't stretch your back muscles -- you contract them, your glutes, quads. And if a person can do a real bridge, add the shoulders, triceps and your abs should be contracted to help stabilize things. But the back is compressed with any type of bridging exercise or "hindu pushup" movement. Well, it has worked for me and I love what it has done for me. You don't have to like it but I know what it does for me and I stick with it. Again Benny read what I wrote: I never said anything about whether I like it. I said the exercise, per someone smarter than me -- Dr. Stuart McGill, shows it wreaks havoc on the lower spine and compressing it over & over can lead to issues long term. And worked for you "how"? Bridging never helped me with functional movements -- but deadlifts, clean and presses, etc., certainly made me a helluva stronger in the core. I've helped move heavy furniture, carry fencing or tree limbs, etc. A family member has a large ranch where we dig post holes, cut Juniper because of the fire hazard, etc. I give 100% credit to the real world movements like deadlifting and clean and press that I'm able to get out there and do that work and walk away tired, sore, etc., but, my back holds up like a champ. The best true core exercises -- for me -- in terms of BW have been, again, from Dr. Stuart McGill. The same guy who identified the issues with bridging and lower back compression. His research on countless athletes, trainees and even cadavers have resulted in this recommendations.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 17:43:22 GMT
I did have an injury and it is healing, it was a lower back injury from helping my fiance's Grand parents move and that was in the summer of 2017. It was slow but I'm in better shape now and have been for quite a while. I went to a chiropractor and had massages off and on and with the training I do, my back has gotten stronger. Did You get an MRI to see what exactly was wrong? I've been going to a sports chiropractor for like 3 years now. Did Your chiropractor give You any exercises or tell You what to stay away from? If You go to a good one as I do, he will be very informative. I'm not going to tell You what mine told me because You don't want to hear it but hopefully, You'll learn in the long run. I hate to see anyone go through pain and stuff like this. If You or anyone else has a healthy back I'm glad for You. I never got an MRI done, I knew what was wrong. My chiropractor gave me a couple things to do and I do them but not consistently. I rehabbed myself again and it worked. I'll be honest I'm a very stubborn guy at times and I never take anything for pain, I don't trust doctors for certain reasons especially what they told my parents when I had the menengitis and how long I was told to rehab with my legs. I'm not going to do the same things now in the long run, I know this but I'm not going to be a rundown man and not be capable of doing fun things. I have accepted what I can and can't do and what I haven't done yet is to be determined. Plus with my insurance, I don't have the full extent of chiropractor care and the guy is a bit of a dick in certain ways. I know I'm no doctor but I know what I've been through and relive some of that pain every day and not physically either. The only time I've ever been to a doctor in the last decade was for inhaling chemicals at a job I did and got sick. I got my physical a couple of years ago and overall I'm very healthy. I don't take prescriptions or anything like that. The heaviest thing I take if I'm desperate is a muscle relaxant and that's only one or 2 at a time and that's it. My back is in a great place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 17:54:57 GMT
Well, it has worked for me and I love what it has done for me. You don't have to like it but I know what it does for me and I stick with it. Again Benny read what I wrote: I never said anything about whether I like it. I said the exercise, per someone smarter than me -- Dr. Stuart McGill, shows it wreaks havoc on the lower spine and compressing it over & over can lead to issues long term. And worked for you "how"? Bridging never helped me with functional movements -- but deadlifts, clean and presses, etc., certainly made me a helluva stronger in the core. I've helped move heavy furniture, carry fencing or tree limbs, etc. A family member has a large ranch where we dig post holes, cut Juniper because of the fire hazard, etc. I give 100% credit to the real world movements like deadlifting and clean and press that I'm able to get out there and do that work and walk away tired, sore, etc., but, my back holds up like a champ. The best true core exercises -- for me -- in terms of BW have been, again, from Dr. Stuart McGill. The same guy who identified the issues with bridging and lower back compression. His research on countless athletes, trainees and even cadavers have resulted in this recommendations. How it worked for me, for one, it has helped with my flexibility a lot. Also when I rehabbed my legs after walking again, the bridge helped me heal up. It didn't work for you, that's cool, those lifts helped you and that's amazing. I never got into those lifts and I never found them to benefit me. Just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for someone else, you know what works for you and so do I. We don't have to agree on what actually works. I've been through enough to know what works and what doesn't for me. My back got messed up because I made a mistake with a tool box and paid for it and now it has healed up. TR, you're a smart guy and you've been around far longer than I have and you've done your research and you have accepted what works, but so have I and I'm continuelly learning what can benefit me. Im not a lifter and I'm ok with that. So why not just agree to disagree. If something makes me happy and has helped me why not just accept it.
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Post by TexasRanger on Feb 2, 2019 18:24:20 GMT
How it worked for me, for one, it has helped with my flexibility a lot. Also when I rehabbed my legs after walking again, the bridge helped me heal up. It didn't work for you, that's cool, those lifts helped you and that's amazing. I never got into those lifts and I never found them to benefit me. Just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for someone else, you know what works for you and so do I. We don't have to agree on what actually works. I've been through enough to know what works and what doesn't for me. My back got messed up because I made a mistake with a tool box and paid for it and now it has healed up. TR, you're a smart guy and you've been around far longer than I have and you've done your research and you have accepted what works, but so have I and I'm continuelly learning what can benefit me. Im not a lifter and I'm ok with that. So why not just agree to disagree. If something makes me happy and has helped me why not just accept it. I am postiing these suggestions because you've sharing workouts, exercises, etc., that have been discussed since at least 2000 on various boards and forums nearly all of us have part of -- Dragon Door, Furey's, Dave Walmsley's and Portal Guy's where just about everything under the sun for training came up including P90X, Animal Ability (AA), etc. And sadly, Peterson's... There are a couple of guys on the AA board that focus on these exercises (bridging, et al), but, most of us who purchased books like Combat Conditioning (myself included) and his follow on publications, etc., have learned a lot of it was hype regaring the miracles of the Royal Court, the claims about the exercises stretching your back or building strength were just that. The guy who was and still is the best of the best, in the opinion of many of us is Ross E...he walks the talk and doesn't hide behind "warrior" shtick. (There's a reason military organizations, sports teams, physical therapists focus on productive, functional exercises vs. hindu pushups or so-called bear crawls, etc.) There are guys on here like Macky, Whiffet, Bruce who have a wealth of information you could learn from. Macky's isometric information, Whiffet on BW + weights and diet, Bruce on strands, etc. When you come here, I'd look to them for (free training) ideas and programs, etc.
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Post by Hector on Feb 2, 2019 18:30:26 GMT
Mal, being a grappling nut, trained in the akhara for a while and I have known a few indian wrestlers.
That said, neither of us would recommend their typical training regimen to anybody, it can be unsafe even under expert supervision.
I was just completing Fred's info.
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