denis
Caneguru
Posts: 1,760
|
Post by denis on Jan 25, 2024 7:30:26 GMT
Got it. But, I don't think those grains are really the issue. I believe it is either the GMO crops and/or the sprays used on the crops. Humans thrived on grains for centuries and as mentioned, when in Europe and Asia I don't have any issues with breads, pasta, pretzels which was a welcome surprise. I've also tried Einkorn wheat -- hard to find -- also called Virgin Wheat, which is one of the original ancestral wheats. Interesting flavor (tasty), no issues. (As a quick side: also enjoyed the wine in Europe vs. the US as it doesn't have the sulfites our wine industry uses. Much better flavor.) Agree 100% with you -- read labels, check where the food is coming from. But, I've found ways to enjoy grains with no side affects. If they work for Clarence Bass, Cory Everson and millions around the world, good enough for me. Humans never "thrived" on grains. We know from skeletons before and after agriculture was invented that, before agriculture, humans were taller, had much stronger bones and joints, and had a bigger brain, than the people who came after. We only started to reach the physique of our hunter-gatherer ancestors thousands of years later when animal products became more common again. We still haven't reached the same cranial capacity that they had. Grains, especially wheat, have a massive amount of anti-nutrients, and have never been healthy, and all the pesticides just make them even worse. Drinking milk made ancient humans heavier and taller – new study www.qub.ac.uk/News/Allnews/featured-research/drinking-milk-made-ancient-humans-taller.html#:~:text=Dr%20Eóin%20Parkinson%20from%20Archaeology,some%20parts%20of%20the%20world. academic.oup.com/af/article/13/3/7/7197940?login=falseDairying and the evolution and consequences of lactase persistence in humans The earliest evidence for the direct consumption of milk comes from whey protein recovered from Neolithic (ca. 5,000 BP) dental calculus from Northern Europe (Warinner et al., 2014). In such regions, dairy products likely provided important fallback foods. The large intestine of humans is relatively small, which does not allow for either the space or bacterial communities required for microbial fermentation of many of the fiber components and cellulose found in grasses and plant communities in marginal environments. Herd animals, with their chambered fermenting stomachs, are able to process such sparse and nutritionally deficient plants into high-energy and nutrient-rich secondary products that humans can consume, thus enhancing human dietary adaptation to marginal environments. Secondary dairy products such as cheese and yogurt are slower to ferment in colder climates, so cultural mechanisms of processing raw milk would be less effective at producing edible dairy products with reduced concentrations of lactose. In combination with the patterns of LP observed, this suggests that direct consumption of raw milk was crucial to human survival in marginal environments. Recent research suggests that the selective pressure related to the evolution of lactose persistence (LP) in Europe relates to either pathogen exposure or famine (Evershed et al., 2022). Such selection pressures would impose energetic demands on human populations, either through the direct need for nutrition calories to mediate famine, or to fuel the metabolic costs of extended immune function (Wells and Stock, 2020). Our own research suggests that directional selection on LP genes may have been the strongest in regions where agricultural crops were difficult to establish (Stock et al., 2023); however, the biology of milk consumption suggests that its fitness benefits may have gone beyond increasing or stabilizing energy supply. Milk Consumption, Nutrition, and Growth We have previously discussed the high-caloric content of milk, and the role it has in establishing the microbiome, and transferring hormones, proteins, and other nutrients from mothers to offspring. In this context, milk is essentially a superfood that evolved to fuel early life somatic and neural development for infant mammals. What are the consequences of extending the consumption of milk beyond infancy? Observational studies broadly support the hypothesis that throughout development, consuming animal milk promotes human linear growth. In a US cohort, for example, each additional 236 mL of milk consumed daily was associated with 0.4 cm greater height (Marshall et al., 2018). A number of key questions arise from this observation. Does milk consumption correspond with human growth more broadly through time and space? If so, did this increment in growth have strong enough fitness benefits to have driven selection for LP? Conversely, is variation in human growth a consequence of dependence on milk as a fallback food, and not directly related to selection? Consideration of variation in the consequences of milk consumption on human growth through time and space will help to elucidate these questions. While the milk of all domestic ruminants has relatively similar caloric content, the milk of taurine cows, zebus, buffalos, yaks, goats, and sheep all have somewhat lower lactose content (between 4.4 and 5.1 g/100 g), but generally greater fat, protein, and energy content than human milk (Wijesinha-Bettoni and Bulingame, 2013). The fitness benefits of the consumption of raw ruminant milk may then have been primarily through greater access to dietary energy which could have been allocated to growth, reproduction, immune function, or other life history functions. One possibility is that drinking milk accelerated the pace of development, via earlier menarche and faster growth in adolescence, thus enabling earlier reproduction (Wiley, 2012). Another possibility is that beyond driving greater stature, the impact of increased hepatic secretion of IGF-1 on skeletal growth, stimulated by the consumption of milk, may have increased the dimensions of the birth canal in adolescent and adult females, thus reducing the risk of obstructed labor, a significant source of maternal mortality even in contemporary human populations (Wells et al., 2021). Although uncertainties remain, a life history perspective highlights that the capacity to drink milk appears to provide more than just calories, and has a unique impact on both maturation patterns and skeletal dimensions.
|
|
|
Post by ilya on Jan 26, 2024 0:46:15 GMT
1. More protein is not "better". And we're not a cow which is why nearly 60% of the earth's population is lactose intolerant...can't drink milk designed for calves, which we're not. Of course more protein is better. It's the only truly essential macronutrients out of all three, because it's the only one that can't be made from another macronutrient, and it's the only one out of the three that can be transformed into the other two. As for lactose intolerance, it has nothing to do with being a cow or not. Lactose is just a sugar that is contained in milk produced by all mammals, including humans. The problem with it is that to be perfectly digested, it requires an enzyme called lactase, which is something that not everyone produces past childhood. If you do produce it, you can digest milk from any mammal. I'll just be honest here and say that I can't really argue against that. I'm not an expert on this specific topic and I can't differentiate what's right or wrong with absolute certainty. Again, I'm skeptical of studies in general nowadays, because you can find studies that say basically anything. Maybe the info you're providing right now is correct, I don't know for sure. All I can offer right now about this is anecdotal evidence again: I massively increased my intake of milk and dairy in general in the past years, and my arteries and body in general seem to be fine. My blood pressure is noticeably down compared to before, and my joints actually crack less than before. Until I notice evidence that things are going wrong for myself, I'll keep consuming them. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Maybe it wasn't "designed" to, but if it were that toxic, odds are we would have noticed by now. This is probably one of those cases where you'd need to consume impossibly high amounts to get issues, like with vitamin c. I'm confused by this comment. Are we talking about the same thing? When I say fry, I mean put it in a pan on the stove. There's no direct contact with fire. I know that cooking meat damages it to some degree, so that's why I make mine rare. I think it has the best balance between safety from parasite and safety from cooking. It depends on how we define ancestral. Beef is a relatively recent thing, but it does predate agriculture. The barbarians around the Romans, gatherer-hunters? Absolutely not, they were far past that level in development. You'd have to go really far away from the Romans to find people that primitive. Yeah, and that's pretty significant. Greeks and Romans also pointed out that they were generally stronger as well. I generally agree with that, except for vegetables (too many downsides) and fats from plant sources. Fats from plants are exceedingly rare unless you go into nuts and seeds, which are both garbage and impossible to digest unless you process them. One time I hate half a container of cashews in one sitting, and the result was the most digestive pain I ever felt in my entire life. Some of those cashews came out of me so undigested that they could have been put back in the container and nobody would have noticed the difference.
|
|
TexasRanger
Caneguru
A little here, a little there...
Posts: 2,223
|
Post by TexasRanger on Jan 26, 2024 1:46:19 GMT
(1) Of course more protein is better. It's the only truly essential macronutrients out of all three, because it's the only one that can't be made from another macronutrient, and it's the only one out of the three that can be transformed into the other two. As for lactose intolerance, it has nothing to do with being a cow or not. Lactose is just a sugar that is contained in milk produced by all mammals, including humans. The problem with it is that to be perfectly digested, it requires an enzyme called lactase, which is something that not everyone produces past childhood. If you do produce it, you can digest milk from any mammal. I'll just be honest here and say that I can't really argue against that. I'm not an expert on this specific topic and I can't differentiate what's right or wrong with absolute certainty. Again, I'm skeptical of studies in general nowadays, because you can find studies that say basically anything. Maybe the info you're providing right now is correct, I don't know for sure. All I can offer right now about this is anecdotal evidence again: I massively increased my intake of milk and dairy in general in the past years, and my arteries and body in general seem to be fine. My blood pressure is noticeably down compared to before, and my joints actually crack less than before. Until I notice evidence that things are going wrong for myself, I'll keep consuming them. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. (3) Maybe it wasn't "designed" to, but if it were that toxic, odds are we would have noticed by now. This is probably one of those cases where you'd need to consume impossibly high amounts to get issues, like with vitamin c. (4) I'm confused by this comment. Are we talking about the same thing? When I say fry, I mean put it in a pan on the stove. There's no direct contact with fire. I know that cooking meat damages it to some degree, so that's why I make mine rare. I think it has the best balance between safety from parasite and safety from cooking. (5) It depends on how we define ancestral. Beef is a relatively recent thing, but it does predate agriculture. (6) The barbarians around the Romans, gatherer-hunters? Absolutely not, they were far past that level in development. You'd have to go really far away from the Romans to find people that primitive. Yeah, and that's pretty significant. Greeks and Romans also pointed out that they were generally stronger as well. (7) I generally agree with that, except for vegetables (too many downsides) and fats from plant sources. Fats from plants are exceedingly rare unless you go into nuts and seeds, which are both garbage and impossible to digest unless you process them. One time I hate half a container of cashews in one sitting, and the result was the most digestive pain I ever felt in my entire life. Some of those cashews came out of me so undigested that they could have been put back in the container and nobody would have noticed the difference. (1) Even the protein "experts" -- people far smarter than me who do research for a living such as Don Layman, PhD, David Ludwig, MD/PhD, Barry Sears, MD, Keith Klein, CN (I could go on forever) saying more protein is NOT better. List of health issues a mile long can result. On lactose? I have heard that argument from the pro dairy people and it too is incorrect. Cow's milk including the amount of lactose (far higher) is completely different. Human milk contains 9g of protein per liter compared with 34g in cow's milk. Hmm...so mother nature does not think humans need all that much protein, either. Regardless, cow's milk is designed for cows. They evolved on it. We're the only animal that I know of that consumes the lactation of another animal...makes no sense except it keeps the dairy industry rich and makes people sick giving them kidney stones, inflamed arteries and people ingest garbage protein like casein. (3) The hype around K2 hasn't been until recently when the supplement companies start spinning up claims based on speculative "research". It got bad when K2 was claimed ot reverse coronary calcification (it can't) and put the calcium in the bones (it doesn't). (4) Heat transfer from the burner or flame to the pan and the meat. I avoid at all costs. Try to poach my eggs when possible, ambient/indirect heat, etc., for poultry, pork. And when you ook it the way you do, on a BBQ, etc., you increase the TMAO issues. (5) Domesticated beef came about around the same time as agriculture. (6) Agree . A mix of barley, fish, wild boar, wild berries. (7) Veggies contain so many antioxidants critical to our health, I've added a dehydrated powder to start my day -- breaking the fast -- to make sure I start it off right. I don't think there's a single reputable scientist in the world who would advise against veggies or fruits. Plant fats? During our ancetral evolution, nuts were a rarity and if we ate them, it was small amounts at a time. I will not eat more than 1/8 cup of almonds knowing the side affects. But almonds, are good sources of Omega 3s (yes, the do get converted). I'll grind up flax seeds. Domesticated animal fats are loaded with toxins -- main dumping ground for everything -- and I want to minimize consuming any of that. I rarely have fish but consume nuts, seeds daily and my Omega 3s are good when getting my bloodwork. Oh, and when I remember I'll have Omega 3 from algae. Way cleaner than animal fats and its where fish get their Omega 3, anyway.
|
|
|
Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 26, 2024 2:20:03 GMT
If we are talking about what we were not "Designed" to eat such as milk in adulthood then we may not have been designed to eat anything that has to be cooked to make it digestible?
|
|
MBS
Caneguru
Lean, lithe and feral
Posts: 1,300
|
Post by MBS on Jan 26, 2024 2:44:24 GMT
If we are talking about what we were not "Designed" to eat such as milk in adulthood then we may not have been designed to eat anything that has to be cooked to make it digestible? That’s what a lot of the 100% raw food eaters would say..
|
|
|
Post by whisky weiner on Jan 26, 2024 3:36:26 GMT
I sous vide most of the meats I eats; perfectly cooked, no guessing.
|
|
|
Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 26, 2024 6:11:58 GMT
|
|
moxohol
Caneguru
Biohacker
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Posts: 3,328
|
Post by moxohol on Jan 26, 2024 8:03:50 GMT
(1) Of course more protein is better. It's the only truly essential macronutrients out of all three, because it's the only one that can't be made from another macronutrient, and it's the only one out of the three that can be transformed into the other two. As for lactose intolerance, it has nothing to do with being a cow or not. Lactose is just a sugar that is contained in milk produced by all mammals, including humans. The problem with it is that to be perfectly digested, it requires an enzyme called lactase, which is something that not everyone produces past childhood. If you do produce it, you can digest milk from any mammal. I'll just be honest here and say that I can't really argue against that. I'm not an expert on this specific topic and I can't differentiate what's right or wrong with absolute certainty. Again, I'm skeptical of studies in general nowadays, because you can find studies that say basically anything. Maybe the info you're providing right now is correct, I don't know for sure. All I can offer right now about this is anecdotal evidence again: I massively increased my intake of milk and dairy in general in the past years, and my arteries and body in general seem to be fine. My blood pressure is noticeably down compared to before, and my joints actually crack less than before. Until I notice evidence that things are going wrong for myself, I'll keep consuming them. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. (3) Maybe it wasn't "designed" to, but if it were that toxic, odds are we would have noticed by now. This is probably one of those cases where you'd need to consume impossibly high amounts to get issues, like with vitamin c. (4) I'm confused by this comment. Are we talking about the same thing? When I say fry, I mean put it in a pan on the stove. There's no direct contact with fire. I know that cooking meat damages it to some degree, so that's why I make mine rare. I think it has the best balance between safety from parasite and safety from cooking. (5) It depends on how we define ancestral. Beef is a relatively recent thing, but it does predate agriculture. (6) The barbarians around the Romans, gatherer-hunters? Absolutely not, they were far past that level in development. You'd have to go really far away from the Romans to find people that primitive. Yeah, and that's pretty significant. Greeks and Romans also pointed out that they were generally stronger as well. (7) I generally agree with that, except for vegetables (too many downsides) and fats from plant sources. Fats from plants are exceedingly rare unless you go into nuts and seeds, which are both garbage and impossible to digest unless you process them. One time I hate half a container of cashews in one sitting, and the result was the most digestive pain I ever felt in my entire life. Some of those cashews came out of me so undigested that they could have been put back in the container and nobody would have noticed the difference. (1) Even the protein "experts" -- people far smarter than me who do research for a living such as Don Layman, PhD, David Ludwig, MD/PhD, Barry Sears, MD, Keith Klein, CN (I could go on forever) saying more protein is NOT better. List of health issues a mile long can result. On lactose? I have heard that argument from the pro dairy people and it too is incorrect. Cow's milk including the amount of lactose (far higher) is completely different. Human milk contains 9g of protein per liter compared with 34g in cow's milk. Hmm...so mother nature does not think humans need all that much protein, either. Regardless, cow's milk is designed for cows. They evolved on it. We're the only animal that I know of that consumes the lactation of another animal...makes no sense except it keeps the dairy industry rich and makes people sick giving them kidney stones, inflamed arteries and people ingest garbage protein like casein. (3) The hype around K2 hasn't been until recently when the supplement companies start spinning up claims based on speculative "research". It got bad when K2 was claimed ot reverse coronary calcification (it can't) and put the calcium in the bones (it doesn't). (4) Heat transfer from the burner or flame to the pan and the meat. I avoid at all costs. Try to poach my eggs when possible, ambient/indirect heat, etc., for poultry, pork. And when you ook it the way you do, on a BBQ, etc., you increase the TMAO issues. (5) Domesticated beef came about around the same time as agriculture. (6) Agree . A mix of barley, fish, wild boar, wild berries. (7) Veggies contain so many antioxidants critical to our health, I've added a dehydrated powder to start my day -- breaking the fast -- to make sure I start it off right. I don't think there's a single reputable scientist in the world who would advise against veggies or fruits. Plant fats? During our ancetral evolution, nuts were a rarity and if we ate them, it was small amounts at a time. I will not eat more than 1/8 cup of almonds knowing the side affects. But almonds, are good sources of Omega 3s (yes, the do get converted). I'll grind up flax seeds. Domesticated animal fats are loaded with toxins -- main dumping ground for everything -- and I want to minimize consuming any of that. I rarely have fish but consume nuts, seeds daily and my Omega 3s are good when getting my bloodwork. Oh, and when I remember I'll have Omega 3 from algae. Way cleaner than animal fats and its where fish get their Omega 3, anyway. One dose of Trodusquemine can reverse heart disease signs | Daily Mail Online www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5039221/One-dose-Trodusquemine-reverse-heart-disease-signs.html
|
|
moxohol
Caneguru
Biohacker
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Posts: 3,328
|
Post by moxohol on Jan 26, 2024 8:14:08 GMT
My digestion has never been particularly good, but since roughly late 2022, it has been really bad. I started getting this crippling chest pain that would often last for hours after meals. I eventually figured out that this is caused by gas that gets trapped into my chest and causes enough pressure to be painful. In fact, the pressure is so great, that pretty much every day, I have moments where my left nostril gets clogged up, also clogging my left ear in the process, and whenever that happens, when I swallow my saliva, a loud and ticklish "pop" happens. This is usually something that happens if I'm laying down trying to sleep, and at that point my only choice is to get out of bed and force myself to belch, because that doesn't work if I'm lying down. This has been ruining my sleep pretty bad, especially the clogged nostril, because it makes me mouth breath, which is bad for rest. Reading this, you'd probably assume that I'm obese and eat all day long, but it's wrong; I've actually been underweight my whole life and still am. It's been particularly bad this week, and I struggle to finish my meals, which is why I've decided to try to seek help here. I'm looking for solutions that don't involve buying products, simply because I'm not a fan of the idea of becoming dependent on something external for my health. I'm thinking that there must be something that has gone wrong with one or several of my digestive organs, like maybe low stomach acid that would cause food to go undigested in my intestines, leading to an excess of gas. Although, interestingly, it's worth noting that all this gas only goes up, I pretty much never fart, which maybe contributes to the problem. I've tried multiple youtube videos on bloating, and so far none of them have helped. Does anyone have any idea? Butyrate increases Short Chain Fatty Acids (SCFAs) which has an extensive list of health benefits & increased good microbiomes. ======================= List substances that increase butyrate production within the human gut www.perplexity.ai/search/List-substances-that-CjcXYdn9RuelrBnSbNS2Ug?s=cBromelain acid reflux www.perplexity.ai/search/Bromelain-acid-reflux-gewyXZBKQVahjoz_vBxr0Q?s=cDoes cacao affect the human gut microbiomes in any way? www.perplexity.ai/search/Does-cacao-affect-PZxYE4EYT1WcvbpGHsiXBg?s=cFrontiers | Gut Microbiota Variation With Short-Term Intake of Ginger Juice on Human Health www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2020.576061/full
|
|
|
Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 26, 2024 8:29:10 GMT
"History is my passion" Same here, ilya m8! I listen to lots of historical stuff mostly on Youtube. Mainly things about the ancient middle east and also some Roman and Greek stuff. Mike NY might like me now, m8s?
|
|
|
Post by ilya on Jan 26, 2024 12:36:04 GMT
(1) Even the protein "experts" -- people far smarter than me who do research for a living such as Don Layman, PhD, David Ludwig, MD/PhD, Barry Sears, MD, Keith Klein, CN (I could go on forever) saying more protein is NOT better. List of health issues a mile long can result. On lactose? I have heard that argument from the pro dairy people and it too is incorrect. Cow's milk including the amount of lactose (far higher) is completely different. Human milk contains 9g of protein per liter compared with 34g in cow's milk. Hmm...so mother nature does not think humans need all that much protein, either. 2000 calories of cow milk would only give you roughly 106g of proteins. It's decent, but it's below what would be recommended for athletes. Certainly not into dangerous territory. 2000 calories of chicken breast, on the other hand, would give you roughly 436g of protein, if my math is right. You mentioned eating chicken breasts the other day. Why is there too much protein in milk, but not in chicken? That's an argument that I hear every time I argue about milk, and it's blatantly wrong. You can give milk to any adult mammal, and they will devour it. Most noticeably, cats in popular culture are stereotyped as milk drinkers, when you give them a bowl. You can find plenty of videos of that if you look around. The examples go on and on. All mammals will drink milk given the chance, but only one species of mammal will complain about milk and refuse to drink it. As for kidneys, we already went over that. I dare you to go and drink 3 litres of milk so that you can see what happens to your pee after. Spoiler: you're gonna be peeing out water for the rest of the day instead of pee. Milk is so cleansing for the kidneys that it would be impossible to get any stones if you consumed enough of it. This wouldn't happen if you drank 3 litres of fruits and vegetables. A few thousands of years before, probably. But yes, roughly the same time on the scale of human prehistory. So why do you feel like beef and milk is unnatural and unhealthy, but grains natural and healthy? Veggies is one thing that I'll admit I'm really not sure about yet. They could be healthy, but I kind of doubt it. I don't really care about what "reputable scientists" say, because they consistently spend decades spouting lies until eventually the evidence against their lies is so overwhelming that they have no choice but to accept they were wrong. Reputable scientists in the 18th century spent decades arguing that scurvy was caused by putrefaction from poor digestion. Because of this, hundreds of thousands of sailors died for nothing, until eventually the sailors themselves experimented and figured out that lime could cure it. In the 19th century and up to the mid 20th century, they were trying to cure syphilis with mercury, always with disastrous effects. Starting from the 80s, they started slandering fat and salt, and the result of that was a steep rise in obesity and chronic disease, and people are only starting to realize this now. No, I don't care at all about the opinion of scientists and doctors when it comes to health.
|
|
|
Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Feb 12, 2024 8:58:30 GMT
The Romans, on the other hand, primarily ate wheat (mostly imported from Egypt), and as a result, were shorter and weaker than all of their Celtic and Germanic neighbours. Just stumbled upon this video and it reminded me of this post.
|
|
|
Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 13, 2024 18:21:37 GMT
At one time I think it was the Cheyenne (maybe it was the Sioux) were on average the tallest known people on earth. I suspect this was before the Masai were encountered. But they stood around 6' on average, and it was attributed to their diet being almost entirely bison. Milk makes baby mammals grow, so of course it's good for building muscle. I can't digest it well, so I buy that stuff with the enzyme added. Fairlife whole milk has half the carbs and twice the protein. 6g carbs for a cup of whole milk, and it's the best tasting milk I've ever had. Bread is a hard addiction to quit, but like most addictions, addicts don't want to quit it and will defend it to their own detriment. I make my own with various ingredients, mostly paleo like arrowroot, plantain flour, tapioca root, flax, ground walnuts, etc.
|
|
|
Post by Magnus on Feb 14, 2024 10:58:52 GMT
If the claim that an all or mostly meat diet is truly responsible for an ethnic / socio groups taller than average height, then why doesn’t it apply to people like the Inuit and the Sami ?… or Bruv ?
|
|
|
Post by Captain Caveman on Feb 14, 2024 12:14:55 GMT
"If the claim that an all or mostly meat diet is truly responsible for an ethnic / socio groups taller than average height, then why doesn’t it apply to people like the Inuit and the Sami ?… or Bruv ?"
I would say the Inuit were easily the tallest people in Alaska until Whites arrived. I know they were also the only people, but that's beside the point.
|
|