macky
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Post by macky on Oct 24, 2020 6:51:00 GMT
THIS guy is why keeping distance is so important....if they can get close enough and have speed and some skill you can get hurt bad. Yes true. But there's gonna be times when you're confined in a narrow passage to the gents, or similar and haven't got that distance. For an exception to what I've said about martial arts, try Wing Chun from a good teacher. Close range combat developed by a Buddhist nun for weaker ladies against larger stronger adversaries. Again, a good teacher. My daughter's teacher was a guy of medium build who fought off a swag of very large gang members, some who required hospital treatment for dis shoulders and impact injuries etc. I saw a demonstration back in 1978 of William Cheung and some members of the Auckland Wing Chun outfit. The wooden dummy was braced by two planks across behind it with a post on a stand on each side, so the whole thing could be taken anywhere. There was a senior Chinese chap who would have weighed 130lbs in the shade and who stood around 5'5". On each supporting post, a guy around 150lb-ish. The little China got into the dummy's arms and pad on the trunk with rapid short-range fists and palm-heel strikes, most from the centre-line, as is the style of Wing Chun. The most notable thing about it, was that these seemingly short ineffectual shots were jolting the two guys steadily back, bit by bit, until the little guy had to stop and they brought the dummy apparatus forward again. It's a style that Robert Smith never mentioned, as far as I know.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 8:59:45 GMT
I like this video as the man preaches keeping things simple and leaving the flashy techniques in the dojo Beautiful! THIS guy is spot on! I was always prepared like he said, no palm though, fingers slightly bent like a claw and go for eye, face rake, throat, and low kick somewhere doing at least 2 of the 3, if not all 3. When you hit somebody in 3 places at once, in vital spots , hard AND fast that's the best. I can't argue with that mate sounds good to me !
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Post by captkronos on Oct 24, 2020 13:16:40 GMT
The last time I was confronted by anyone, he was much bigger, a big fat hillbilly type guy about 4 inches taller and probably 70lbs heavier. Somehow his inbred girlfriend thought I had offended her and he approached me saying we were about to have a problem. I was actually surprised how unafraid I was, but I'm also not stupid. Fortunately it was in a salvage store and I easily found something I could use if I needed to. I picked up one of those t-ball aluminum bats and carried it with me until I left the store. No way I was going hand to hand with that dude.
I believe boxing is the best training you can get, but dirty boxing. I only practice strikes to the throat, eyes, solar plexus and groin. Soft targets on anyone hurt just the same. I'm not trying to square off in a boxing match at my age. I also carry a knife just because it's better than not having one.
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Post by jrmeatplow on Oct 24, 2020 13:38:22 GMT
I think many underestimate the power of a full committed to two hand shove/palm strike to the chin. I'm not talking about a cocky posturing shove to the chest, I'm talking about all the power you have in you body and both arms and palms slamming into into the chin. Nothing fancy like having to land exact blows with single arms, but two arms blasting out straight with your entire body behind them, plus its a move that anyone can do, and effectively. Also, if your opponent is near a wall, you can blast them through it hard any pretty much finish up what you began. It leads into some nice opportunities to knee and head butt if you decide to tie them up against a wall.
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Post by pierinifitness on Oct 24, 2020 15:01:21 GMT
Back in high school, I once got in a fight with a friend and quickly ended it with a Heian Yondan kata move of extending both my hands forward grabbing the ears of my friend and pushing his head downward to be greeted by my knee which I had thrust upward.
I know lots of people talk down in kata but some of the movements can work in the right situation.
Here’s me in the olden days.
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 24, 2020 15:37:35 GMT
I think many underestimate the power of a full committed to two hand shove/palm strike to the chin. I'm not talking about a cocky posturing shove to the chest, I'm talking about all the power you have in you body and both arms and palms slamming into into the chin. Nothing fancy like having to land exact blows with single arms, but two arms blasting out straight with your entire body behind them, plus its a move that anyone can do, and effectively. Also, if your opponent is near a wall, you can blast them through it hard any pretty much finish up what you began. It leads into some nice opportunities to knee and head butt if you decide to tie them up against a wall. In Xing Yi, two palm explosive strike from the abdominal area into the opponent chest is used to damage the chest and internal organs very seriously. For the chin, single palm is preferable because of higher velocity of single hand and the smaller target area.
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Post by brothersteve on Oct 24, 2020 20:12:56 GMT
Back in high school, I once got in a fight with a friend and quickly ended it with a Heian Yondan kata move of extending both my hands forward grabbing the ears of my friend and pushing his head downward to be greeted by my knee which I had thrust upward. I know lots of people talk down in kata but some of the movements can work in the right situation. Here’s me in the olden days. Man o' man! If you do that to a 'friend', what do you do to an enemy?
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Post by brothersteve on Oct 24, 2020 20:23:10 GMT
THIS guy is why keeping distance is so important....if they can get close enough and have speed and some skill you can get hurt bad. Yes true. But there's gonna be times when you're confined in a narrow passage to the gents, or similar and haven't got that distance. For an exception to what I've said about martial arts, try Wing Chun from a good teacher. Close range combat developed by a Buddhist nun for weaker ladies against larger stronger adversaries. Again, a good teacher. My daughter's teacher was a guy of medium build who fought off a swag of very large gang members, some who required hospital treatment for dis shoulders and impact injuries etc. I saw a demonstration back in 1978 of William Cheung and some members of the Auckland Wing Chun outfit. The wooden dummy was braced by two planks across behind it with a post on a stand on each side, so the whole thing could be taken anywhere. There was a senior Chinese chap who would have weighed 130lbs in the shade and who stood around 5'5". On each supporting post, a guy around 150lb-ish. The little China got into the dummy's arms and pad on the trunk with rapid short-range fists and palm-heel strikes, most from the centre-line, as is the style of Wing Chun. The most notable thing about it, was that these seemingly short ineffectual shots were jolting the two guys steadily back, bit by bit, until the little guy had to stop and they brought the dummy apparatus forward again. It's a style that Robert Smith never mentioned, as far as I know. I understand and agree with what you are saying, but - for me - I don't want to get close if I can help it because I don't what the other guy knows or has on him. If he is like this guy in the video, or has a knife, then it's time to feel the pain.
I have learned to hit open handed with fingers partially closed after I broke my 9th and 10 metacarples on a guys browbone in a bar fight in 87'. Straight finger can jam and get dislocated, but not so much as when slightly bent - they crumple.
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Post by jonrock on Oct 25, 2020 17:19:16 GMT
Great thread, I agree with the mental aspect: when I trained Krav Maga with a top instructor from Finland (if I recall correctly) he stressed: 1) to be ready to explode like a madman in a moment: headbutt, nails, elbows, knee to the balls, etc... 2) not to be a target: always alert, body erect, the look in the eyes serene but strong. If someone looks at you, it must ne clear that things are not going to be easy (for them) if things get nasty 3) not to be in a bad place/bad situation if possible: the best fight is the one that never happens 4) a weapon is a deterrance
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Post by stormshadow on Oct 26, 2020 15:23:18 GMT
I really enjoyed this thread. Lots of good practical information. Many years ago a Vietnam veteran friend of mine (with one leg missing from a land mine and he still worked out like crazy) told me that he saw several extremely well trained Special Forces soldiers from that war (Green Berets and Marine Force Recon) that were shot dead while on patrol by little kids in trees with AKs. Always better to avoid confrontation if at all possible. Of course learn to defend yourself and your loved ones in case it is ever needed, but nowadays I cannot tell you how many people are carrying guns legally and illegally (in the US). Even if you are a Pancrase/Pride/UFC champion or want to be, the gun is the great equalizer. Also not to be underestimated is a knife fighter, even a mediocre one. I posted this a while back about knife fighting. It seems like London, England has many knife and machete attacks so I think prudent to learn some techniques to defend against that. Also, be careful because there field of knife defense is full of charlatans whose advice would get you killed. Also, an actor I like was given a Glasgow Smile. Tommy Flanagan from Sons of Anarchy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_smilearchive.org/details/pdfy-Q7Kv7FhWha9UCuZY/page/n9/mode/2upA very good way to get better at defensive knife techniques is to study how to use one. Also, the first rule of knife fighting is to basically acknowledge that you will get cut. Another thing that can throw you off in a physical confrontation is pure, raw physical strength, no matter what your skills are. In Judo they say a trained Judoka could beat an untrained person who was bigger than you. But if you are both of close technical skills, physical strength plus technique always wins.
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Post by stormshadow on Oct 26, 2020 16:54:46 GMT
baz, all is well so no worries about your honest comments. I’m 65 years old and have yet to meet this mythical nut job but do believe he exists. Of course, I’d never run and leave my wife or now grandchildren in harms way. I own an AR-15, a Glock 9 mm single stack pistol, a shot gun and a machete and now live in an open carry state so I feel quite safe. Pierini you are missing a key weapon. A plasma rifle in the 50 Mega Watt range. You never know if Sarah Connor needs some assistance.
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Post by stormshadow on Oct 26, 2020 17:02:47 GMT
This is one of my favorite fighters. He loved to use open hand strikes. And his first name is SUPER close to yours Baz. He also has a great sense of humor
I have his video on Lethal Street Defense and I really like it. Very instructional, improvisational and can see his personality come through too.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Oct 26, 2020 20:34:19 GMT
This is one of my favorite fighters. He loved to use open hand strikes. And his first name is SUPER close to yours Baz. He also has a great sense of humor I have his video on Lethal Street Defense and I really like it. Very instructional, improvisational and can see his personality come through too. Better than me for sure and that's what really matters.
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Post by macky on Oct 26, 2020 21:24:47 GMT
Yes true. But there's gonna be times when you're confined in a narrow passage to the gents, or similar and haven't got that distance. For an exception to what I've said about martial arts, try Wing Chun from a good teacher. Close range combat developed by a Buddhist nun for weaker ladies against larger stronger adversaries. Again, a good teacher. My daughter's teacher was a guy of medium build who fought off a swag of very large gang members, some who required hospital treatment for dis shoulders and impact injuries etc. I saw a demonstration back in 1978 of William Cheung and some members of the Auckland Wing Chun outfit. The wooden dummy was braced by two planks across behind it with a post on a stand on each side, so the whole thing could be taken anywhere. There was a senior Chinese chap who would have weighed 130lbs in the shade and who stood around 5'5". On each supporting post, a guy around 150lb-ish. The little China got into the dummy's arms and pad on the trunk with rapid short-range fists and palm-heel strikes, most from the centre-line, as is the style of Wing Chun. The most notable thing about it, was that these seemingly short ineffectual shots were jolting the two guys steadily back, bit by bit, until the little guy had to stop and they brought the dummy apparatus forward again. It's a style that Robert Smith never mentioned, as far as I know. I understand and agree with what you are saying, but - for me - I don't want to get close if I can help it because I don't what the other guy knows or has on him. If he is like this guy in the video, or has a knife, then it's time to feel the pain.
I have learned to hit open handed with fingers partially closed after I broke my 9th and 10 metacarples on a guys browbone in a bar fight in 87'. Straight finger can jam and get dislocated, but not so much as when slightly bent - they crumple.
Understand and certainly agree. The further away you are from your antagonist (like, two miles? ) the better. Techniques like head butts and knees, elbows etc can deal with close-range stuff if it comes to that, but I mentioned Wing Chun for interest and as a relatively close range MA that can train one to react very quickly to incoming. I believe it's one of the most popular combat forms in Hong Kong, as far as I know. If you're talking about your open handed technique, then a fist formed from a flat hand with the fingers bent at the first joint down from the knuckles is a good one that I found could hit quite hard (on a bag) without any finger discomfort, and which also adds about an inch and a half to your range (from an ordinary fist). I've not been in much of any fights out of the ring and only consider myself an observer rather than a fighter, but I know that such a fist as described has removed teeth when employed under the nose according to a cobber of mine, and would certainly be a confident full-power blow on the neck or throat.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 26, 2020 23:15:58 GMT
I'd love to spar with you macky, m8, but I'm sure you'd kick my ass.
If I listen to anyone on this topic, it's guys like baz or whitebelt (Billy). I imagine jrmeatplow has some experience too, or at least, witnessed some shit. I wish WB was still around. Voices of experience. That's what I like .... anecdotal experience.
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