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Post by stuke on Oct 22, 2020 19:32:48 GMT
Moxohol I'm sorry that stuff happened to you. Even though that really happened to you, the way you described it was hilarious. I always thought you were just a little weird but you are pretty funny. Yes, he had managed to make a pretty horrific experience very funny. Not sure how I should feel here hahaha.
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Post by stuke on Oct 22, 2020 19:43:07 GMT
Baz, this is a good thread, if a little hard to read and sobering sometimes. You mentioned your bike - one of mine is a Carrera Mtb, my son's is a Carrera hybrid. They are good bikes without needing to be silly prices. The thing with cycling, and I dont think of myself as a 'cyclist', just someone who rides a bije with a good few thousand miles under my belt - you do get quite a bit of stick now and then. Cars dont want you on the road, walkers, dont like you on the canal towpath or in the woods - even if you are going slow. I think years of low rep squatting gave me explosive power in my legs, I am good up short, steep hills, ok up konger more of a slog ones, but it is hard. I used to like beating cars when the traffic lights turn green - I could often get well ahead for a good few seconds fdom a standing start, good to get in front and away in a steady position - course they probably didnt realise they were in a race hahaha. One thing I will say is getting out in the local countryside is pretty good for your wellbeing, releasing stress and getting away from it all.
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Post by brothersteve on Oct 22, 2020 19:48:41 GMT
It's all good mox you have a similar personality to me mate I'm always acting like a prat and doing dumb shit for giggles it's the best way to be ! That's messed up what happened to you but could you imagine having had some self defence training and practicing in your own time on techniques and drills !? At the very least it would give you more confidence to deal with that kind of situation that you experienced and you would of dealt with it better and would have been able to defend yourself without getting hurt as badly as you did . The chin jab & knee strike I did on the guy was worthy of a BBC instant replay in slow motion & a victory run across the field. How more self defense training do u need then that? All it did was piss him off. I even manage to jump on his back & put him in a figure 4 & body lock. It pissed him off even more. I'm 73kg. I'm not that diesel. He was 100kg easy. Does the phase, "biting off more then u can chew" come to mind? I attempted to choke him out. WRONG! Have u got any idea of what an impact against a wall (multiple times), a kitchen counter or a floor is like when someone is mad? It was all l could do to HOLD ON. I'm upset to hear you had to go through an ordeal like this. No civility left in humans. Animals act more civil to each other. No idea what's causing this (5G, GMO's, COVID, drugs, etc.) but human evolution seems to be on the decline. Sincerely hope you are ok and recover.
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Post by stuke on Oct 22, 2020 20:17:35 GMT
Something I have wondered about a lot is what if you were to focus on one move, maybe 90% of your practice was with this one striking move (for example). Let's say you chose a right elbow. If you put in the time, the months if not years working this move inside out. You worked on speed, non telegraphing, accuracy, power, firing from the hips in the blink of an eye etc. You absolutely mastered it, using different targets, different surfaces and it was lightening quick, deadly accurate and very powerful. Would that be a good approach? Of course, relying on one move is risky, but you probably only need to land it once and you have invested so much undiluted time that you have a very good chance of doing that. If it fails, well you have probably at least developed some conditioning and reflexes etc to help you out.
I kind of like the sound of this, and to be honest I probably got the idea after reading some Robert Smith books.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 20:45:33 GMT
The chin jab & knee strike I did on the guy was worthy of a BBC instant replay in slow motion & a victory run across the field. How more self defense training do u need then that? All it did was piss him off. I even manage to jump on his back & put him in a figure 4 & body lock. It pissed him off even more. I'm 73kg. I'm not that diesel. He was 100kg easy. Does the phase, "biting off more then u can chew" come to mind? I attempted to choke him out. WRONG! Have u got any idea of what an impact against a wall (multiple times), a kitchen counter or a floor is like when someone is mad? It was all l could do to HOLD ON. I'm upset to hear you had to go through an ordeal like this. No civility left in humans. Animals act more civil to each other. No idea what's causing this (5G, GMO's, COVID, drugs, etc.) but human evolution seems to be on the decline. Sincerely hope you are ok and recover. I couldn't agree more !!
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Post by pierinifitness on Oct 22, 2020 20:51:35 GMT
I think such a training approach would short change you. No two punches are alike due to vertical and horizontal range. Ditto for elbow strikes. But it does make sense to have, say, a favorite 5.
Mine would be a front kick (mae geri), jab punch (kizami zuki), reverse punch (gyaku zuki), backhand strike (uraken) and a foot sweep (ashi barai.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 20:53:06 GMT
Baz, this is a good thread, if a little hard to read and sobering sometimes. You mentioned your bike - one of mine is a Carrera Mtb, my son's is a Carrera hybrid. They are good bikes without needing to be silly prices. The thing with cycling, and I dont think of myself as a 'cyclist', just someone who rides a bije with a good few thousand miles under my belt - you do get quite a bit of stick now and then. Cars dont want you on the road, walkers, dont like you on the canal towpath or in the woods - even if you are going slow. I think years of low rep squatting gave me explosive power in my legs, I am good up short, steep hills, ok up konger more of a slog ones, but it is hard. I used to like beating cars when the traffic lights turn green - I could often get well ahead for a good few seconds fdom a standing start, good to get in front and away in a steady position - course they probably didnt realise they were in a race hahaha. One thing I will say is getting out in the local countryside is pretty good for your wellbeing, releasing stress and getting away from it all. Yeah i know what you mean about pissing everyone off , you can't win. I tend to ride on the road which is quite a risk seeing as i don't where a helmet and have come flying off my bike twice the past year but luckily i was on a quiet street where no one could laugh there balls off at me . I absolutely agree with it being good for mental health, it's s the main reason why i have always enjoyed riding a bike as someone who suffers with depression and anxiety it really does help . And i know exactly what you mean about racing cars i do it all the time and look at it as a little challenge even if it does only last a few seconds
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Post by macky on Oct 22, 2020 21:08:25 GMT
Yeah i know what you mean about pissing everyone off , you can't win. I tend to ride on the road which is quite a risk seeing as i don't where a helmet and have come flying off my bike twice the past year but luckily i was on a quiet street where no one could laugh there balls off at me . I couldn't go past this one. I was laughing so hard WITH our mate Baz here when I read this. What a hard case he is. Comes flying off his bike not wearing a helmet and he's more worried about a red face from people laughing at him, than a red face from cracking his skull.......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 21:08:43 GMT
Something I have wondered about a lot is what if you were to focus on one move, maybe 90% of your practice was with this one striking move (for example). Let's say you chose a right elbow. If you put in the time, the months if not years working this move inside out. You worked on speed, non telegraphing, accuracy, power, firing from the hips in the blink of an eye etc. You absolutely mastered it, using different targets, different surfaces and it was lightening quick, deadly accurate and very powerful. Would that be a good approach? Of course, relying on one move is risky, but you probably only need to land it once and you have invested so much undiluted time that you have a very good chance of doing that. If it fails, well you have probably at least developed some conditioning and reflexes etc to help you out. I kind of like the sound of this, and to be honest I probably got the idea after reading some Robert Smith books. Me personally i like to train punches, palm strikes, elbows, knees, low kicks and headbutting . When I'm training on a heavy bag or doing solo drills with a single Mitt i will perform no more than 4 combos MAYBE 5 as i feel that shorter combos are easier to remember in a violent situation rather than say a double jab, cross, hook, uppercut, double knee , elbow , headbutt , also I don't want to be having to think what comes next and prefer to go all out with power and crisp technique. I will usually do something like a right palm strike straight into a right elbow and a right knee and I will do that about 10 to 15 times then do the same on the other side and then I will perform another 3 or more similar combos again for about 10 to 15 times . Your comment made me think of this video where Bas Rutten touched on this subject
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 21:12:49 GMT
Yeah i know what you mean about pissing everyone off , you can't win. I tend to ride on the road which is quite a risk seeing as i don't where a helmet and have come flying off my bike twice the past year but luckily i was on a quiet street where no one could laugh there balls off at me . I couldn't go past this one. I was laughing so hard WITH our mate Baz here when I read this. What a hard case he is. Comes flying off his bike not wearing a helmet and he's more worried about a red face from people laughing at him, than a red face from cracking his skull....... Haha I jumped straight back up and acted like nothing had happened just incase people had seen me 🤣 i really should get a bike helmet to be fair or then again I should learn to ride the fucka properly
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Post by macky on Oct 22, 2020 21:34:42 GMT
Something I have wondered about a lot is what if you were to focus on one move, maybe 90% of your practice was with this one striking move (for example). Let's say you chose a right elbow. If you put in the time, the months if not years working this move inside out. You worked on speed, non telegraphing, accuracy, power, firing from the hips in the blink of an eye etc. You absolutely mastered it, using different targets, different surfaces and it was lightening quick, deadly accurate and very powerful. Would that be a good approach? Of course, relying on one move is risky, but you probably only need to land it once and you have invested so much undiluted time that you have a very good chance of doing that. If it fails, well you have probably at least developed some conditioning and reflexes etc to help you out. I kind of like the sound of this, and to be honest I probably got the idea after reading some Robert Smith books. Yes but Robert Smith also spoke about (and followed, himself) a number of different techniques as a base for a personal fighting system. The point is that the number of said techniques is kept down to a reasonable minimum and each trained equally, so that when the heat's on, you don't have to think about what you're going to do next. It's similar to boxing in way. There's only so many different punches, and when you're fighting through the red mist those punches will be employed automatically, or as near as possible. That's also why I recommend anyone who wants to follow a genuine martial art, go and spend 3-6 months in the boxing ring first, being walloped around and learning what it's like fighting under duress, remembering once again that getting hit with a bare fist is much worse than a gloved fist. And make sure your opponent is at your own level, or near to it. Karateka for example of many years standing have simply gone to pieces when an accidental punch sent them to the floor. Their training is incomplete, no matter what colour belt they wear. I'm no fighter but in my opinion, it's no good if you train (say) a low front kick with your right foot, when the foot is in plaster from a previous accident. Fights happen suddenly and you can't plan for the day when you're gonna be able to use your prime weapon. If that is all you've got to rely on, with the rest of your techniques sort of half-pie, then you're probably in deep trouble. Baz has got it right when he's talking about 4 or 5 techniques. Even the Pakua circling (which is definitely something quite different) a la Robert Smith's book has only 5-6 techniques, all of them trained into the sub/superconcious so that no concious thought is needed to employ them. Although the training emphasis is different, it's the same thing whether internal or external.
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Post by macky on Oct 22, 2020 21:43:30 GMT
I couldn't go past this one. I was laughing so hard WITH our mate Baz here when I read this. What a hard case he is. Comes flying off his bike not wearing a helmet and he's more worried about a red face from people laughing at him, than a red face from cracking his skull....... Haha I jumped straight back up and acted like nothing had happened just incase people had seen me 🤣 i really should get a bike helmet to be fair or then again I should learn to ride the fucka properly Doesn't matter how good a rider you are mate, every single bloke I've ever known who rode bikes of all kinds, came off sometime. My uncle had his life saved by a helmet, which was so damaged after he came off that if it was his head they would have needed a bucket. Get a helmet for your family's sake mate. I can't think of a worse fate than surviving a tumble but having to be cared for by your wife for the rest of your life. I know you would never want that. Just go and buy one and always wear it when you're riding.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Oct 22, 2020 22:24:23 GMT
There are two types of cyclists (both motor and bike). Those who've fallen and those who will. From experience I can tell you, wear your protective gear.
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Post by stuke on Oct 22, 2020 22:52:58 GMT
Haha I jumped straight back up and acted like nothing had happened just incase people had seen me 🤣 i really should get a bike helmet to be fair or then again I should learn to ride the fucka properly  Doesn't matter how good a rider you are mate, every single bloke I've ever known who rode bikes of all kinds, came off sometime. My uncle had his life saved by a helmet, which was so damaged after he came off that if it was his head they would have needed a bucket. Get a helmet for your family's sake mate. I can't think of a worse fate than surviving a tumble but having to be cared for by your wife for the rest of your life.  I know you would never want that. Just go and buy one and always wear it when you're riding.  Yep. I hated wearing a helmet and didnt for years, I loved feelong the wind on my head. Not any more though, always wear it. Even if it does make me look like a cyclisg
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Post by stuke on Oct 22, 2020 23:10:30 GMT
Something I have wondered about a lot is what if you were to focus on one move, maybe 90% of your practice was with this one striking move (for example). Let's say you chose a right elbow. If you put in the time, the months if not years working this move inside out. You worked on speed, non telegraphing, accuracy, power, firing from the hips in the blink of an eye etc. You absolutely mastered it, using different targets, different surfaces and it was lightening quick, deadly accurate and very powerful. Would that be a good approach? Of course, relying on one move is risky, but you probably only need to land it once and you have invested so much undiluted time that you have a very good chance of doing that. If it fails, well you have probably at least developed some conditioning and reflexes etc to help you out. I kind of like the sound of this, and to be honest I probably got the idea after reading some Robert Smith books. Yes but Robert Smith also spoke about (and followed, himself) a number of different techniques as a base for a personal fighting system. The point is that the number of said techniques is kept down to a reasonable minimum and each trained equally, so that when the heat's on, you don't have to think about what you're going to do next. It's similar to boxing in way. There's only so many different punches, and when you're fighting through the red mist those punches will be employed automatically, or as near as possible. That's also why I recommend anyone who wants to follow a genuine martial art, go and spend 3-6 months in the boxing ring first, being walloped around and learning what it's like fighting under duress, remembering once again that getting hit with a bare fist is much worse than a gloved fist. And make sure your opponent is at your own level, or near to it. Karateka for example of many years standing have simply gone to pieces when an accidental punch sent them to the floor. Their training is incomplete, no matter what colour belt they wear.  I'm no fighter but in my opinion, it's no good if you train (say) a low front kick with your right foot, when the foot is in plaster from a previous accident. Fights happen suddenly and you can't plan for the day when you're gonna be able to use your prime weapon. If that is all you've got to rely on, with the rest of your techniques sort of half-pie, then you're probably in deep trouble. Baz has got it right when he's talking about 4 or 5 techniques.  Even the Pakua circling (which is definitely something quite different) a la Robert Smith's book has only 5-6 techniques, all of them trained into the sub/superconcious so that no concious thought is needed to employ them. Although the training emphasis is different, it's the same thing whether internal or external. I agree with most of what you are saying, but I honestly can't really see a lot of these martial arts actually doing much in a real situation. I know we've talked about this before and you have said that we don't see the real, brutal method as it is too dangerous to use in anything but a real life threatening situation, but watching videos of many of these styles, they only seem to work against a cooperative partner. Even when you watch the masters, students are coming at them with exagerrated movements, making it very clear what they are going to do. I would be happy to watch something that changes my opinion, but not seen it yet. Something wjefe someone uses these techniques to any effect with a well trained boxer / thai boxer comong at them. I do admit that if a martial artist can get then down with a throw or somecsort of hold then it could easily sway the fight. But any fancy martial arts punch that veers from a boxing punch, it's surely got to be watered down and less powerful and efficient.
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