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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 28, 2018 16:41:28 GMT
Alan Palmieri's book is pretty much the same thing anyone who has read Vince's books, visited his gym and/or followed his articles in Weider's magazine and later Muscle Mag has shared. I'd read Alan's book book when it came out and didn't read anything I didn't already know -- but -- Alan did have some different interpretations vs. what I was told, for example.
However, what you cut/pasted regarding "protein" varies based on the author, their understanding from what Vince told them, etc.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 28, 2018 18:20:15 GMT
And again, Palmeiri's booklet leaves out a lot which I questioned when I read it: 1. No mention of the RNA tablets. 2. Vince, on Sundays, claimed he would ride his bike up the PCH. ironguru.com/wp-content/uploads/20842107_10158906038010467_7557845776427701729_n.jpg No mention in the book. 3. "Blair was a chemist as well as several other things." No, he wasn't. I'm not going to dig up the references, but, they're on the web if you look: he started in Chicago and while I don't remember what he did that got him involved in the "physical culture" business, it led to some seedy behavior. There was a report of his involvement with an underaged male and he fled Chicago for California. 4. "The following course, A Muscle Has Four Sides, is based upon the fact that different exercises develop different parts of a given muscle. By doing four exercises, one for each part of the muscle, you will achieve the fastest possible growth. " Sorry Alan. Not quite what that pamphlet was about. And science has shown that a muscle only contracts in a single direction, so, more holes in Vince's claims. The workout? You do one set of each exercise for up to 12 reps and on the first page Vince states each exercise must be done starting with 100% "inter muscular" contraction. Here's the back workout: you're doing rows -- Vince's seated pulley version, Steve Reeve DB Rows, standing pulley rows and then two DB rows while laying on a bench. So, how are you getting a muscle from four sides? And the diet for this program was/is six raw (whole) eggs mixed with heavy cream every three hours along with 10 or 20 dessicated liver tabs and a TON of other suppliements. Years ago, I was a Vince advocate but the more I learned, the more Vince's tales didn't hold water vs. reality. You've still got people who are Vince apologists out there and glad they think his program worked them.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 29, 2018 14:13:03 GMT
Mikey - You really, really have to quit speaking for me, buddy, or attempting to interpret what I posted... (1) What I said was this: "Vince openly advocated his diet and talked about what he'd eaten a couple of times times when I was there when making suggestions regarding my diet. Lots of eggs, steak, etc." (2) I posted what was known via someone who knew him personally, what was in the magazines, etc. - Was I at his bedside? No. - Did I read his autopsy? No. - Did I know for a fact he was having health problems prior to/leading up to his passing? Yes. I've posted previously on several occasions that I had returned to the Venice Beach area in the 90s a few times and heard about Vince being sick, his gym having some financial difficulties. This was also in the muscle rags. - So based on your logic, we're to assume any reports of someone's death would be untrue/half truth? Sorry... (3) Everyone, please disregard Mikey's comment. I posted my reply. Not speaking for you. I was trying to simplify/summarize to get to simple yes/no answers that seem to me to be accurate. As far as interpreting what you or anyone else posts, this is a forum - we all (including you) do that every time we read any post. Obviously, no stopping it. If you don't want your posts to be interpreted, don't post. "... any reports of someone's death ..... untrue/half truth? ...." I have no idea how you came to that assumption. Since we're speculating about the cause of Vince's death, my speculation is that the stress of financial problems, losing his gym on top of the failing health, that stress was severe enough in his life to trigger a broken heart. His diet was likely just one of the significant contributors. However, everyone, please disregard my comments.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 29, 2018 14:47:40 GMT
Fair enough. But let me reference another thread where I did something similar and your response which at one point had included a f-bomb or two.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 30, 2018 13:30:41 GMT
Anyone remember the Julie Andrews/Sound Of Music meme we had on the old Zen forum (before the taphappy dips hits took over)? I wish we still had it in the emote library, sigh. As I recall the image, it was from the Sound Of Music picture w/ Julie in the meadow, spinning around and said this: "JUST LOOK AT ALL THE FUCKS I GIVE!"It fits here just right, m8s!
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 30, 2018 15:20:28 GMT
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 30, 2018 15:36:27 GMT
Keep in mind, this article was a bunch of cut and paste written by some guy whose credentials include a BA in kinesiology (not even a Bachelor of Science) and certification in "functional medicine" which is one of the latest pop culture catch all, means nothing terms. Mark Hyman, MD, runs a "functional medicine" clinic in NY, but, at least it is full of physicians (aka licensed MDs) from varying disciplines, so, at least they can point to some real credentials vs. "STORE CLERK". So, this guy is not a doctor, not a researcher, etc. But you're going to take his word on eggs? And, good old Josh claims he's a clinical nutritionist but no formal degree or license. Is this like a naturopathic "doctor" in the US? Canada allows a person to call him- or herself a clinical nutritionist without any paper? (EDIT: Store Clerk is another of the author's credentials...)
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 30, 2018 16:33:07 GMT
Here's another one that fits in nicely with Josh...Chris Kresser! chriskresser.com/ Nice picture of Chris in a lab coat, huh? Funny thing? He went to a storefront Acupuncture 'school' somewhere in Berkley, California: Yet somehow, this makes Chris a renowned expert in all matters to do with your health -- heart disease, diabetes, cancer, etc. Wow! And he's written a couple of books! Wow! Even Josh can't make that claim. But...wait...Chris isn't really a doctor? Has never really done any real research? And has lied repeatedly? How can that be? I'm not a vegan, but, even these people are pretty funny in their analysis of Kresser's BS (also some relevant information via eggs, etc, if you care -- Mikey won't, !):
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 30, 2018 23:16:29 GMT
So, this guy is not a doctor, not a researcher, etc. But you're going to take his word on eggs? "His word"? See the links provided in the article on the linked site. I don't care if good info comes from the mentally handicapped guy down the street. A sheepskin on the wall doesn't mean credibility is assured ..... although it might to someone who hasn't had much experience with the medical industry.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 31, 2018 0:10:16 GMT
So, this guy is not a doctor, not a researcher, etc. But you're going to take his word on eggs? "His word"? See the links provided in the article on the linked site. I don't care if good info comes from the mentally handicapped guy down the street. A sheepskin on the wall doesn't mean credibility is assured ..... although it might to someone who hasn't had much experience with the medical industry. And I can go through them, like the vegan video people did, and without a doubt find holes, gaps or BS in them. "A sheepskin on the wall doesn't mean credibility is assured ..... although it might to someone who hasn't had much experience with the medical industry." Well Mikey, since you continue to prove you're full of misinformation I am sure you're not referring to me. But, as far as everyone knows your experience isn't any better than the guy flipping burgers at your favorite In & Out. Very experienced with the f-bombs if you're not winning a debate or discussion, tho...
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 31, 2018 0:26:16 GMT
I'm talking about Josh, not Chris K. Go ahead and find the holes in the references Josh uses. Please provide links. Thanks.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 31, 2018 1:26:27 GMT
I'm talking about Josh, not Chris K. Go ahead and find the holes in the references Josh uses. Please provide links. Thanks. Not going to bother. There's already enough objective information out there regarding eggs and the issues, the claims and all the rest. Go ahead and find them.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 31, 2018 11:22:17 GMT
I'm talking about Josh, not Chris K. Go ahead and find the holes in the references Josh uses. Please provide links. Thanks. Not going to bother. There's already enough objective information out there regarding eggs and the issues, the claims and all the rest. Go ahead and find them. Of course, "not going to bother". There is the objective info in the references provided in Josh Gitalis' article. 20 references to 20 different study reports on PubMed, NCBI-NLM-NIH, plus, a study from the British Medical Journal. So, (Josh) already did find them - 21 of them in that article. The best you've come up with is to say that Josh was a store clerk. Personal discrediting of the presenter which sometimes can be an effective tactic to influence people's perceptions when you have no contrary facts to present. Politicians do that a LOT. Much easier and dramatic to attack someone's credibility than to address the content of their info and references. (BTW, Your reference to me as a burger flipper was a hoot! Thanks for the laugh! The f-bomb discrediting attempt was decent too! Nice move!)
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 31, 2018 12:16:47 GMT
Of course, "not going to bother". There is the objective info in the references provided in Josh Gitalis' article. 20 references to 20 different study reports on PubMed, NCBI-NLM-NIH, plus, a study from the British Medical Journal. So, (Josh) already did find them - 21 of them in that article. The best you've come up with is to say that Josh was a store clerk. Personal discrediting of the presenter which sometimes can be an effective tactic to influence people's perceptions when you have no contrary facts to present. (1) Politicians do that a LOT. Much easier and dramatic to attack someone's credibility than to address the content of their info and references. (BTW, Your reference to me as a burger flipper was a hoot! Thanks for the laugh! (2) The f-bomb discrediting attempt was decent too! Nice move!) Exactly...not going to bother as the facts are out there. Oooooo! So a store clerk has 20 references. 20!!!! Pointless...what are the studies? Who funded them? Etc. I'm heading to the local 7-11 for my some nutritional advice...hope to see you there! Either way Mikey, I don't take things on face value but wow oh wow. A store clerk has 20 REFERENCES!!!! Well, sign me up. (1) Typical Mikey spin mode. Oh no, it wasn't the best I came up with. Guess you don't read, either? I also said he has no medical credentials. No research credentials. A BA in kinesiology, last time I looked, doesn't equate to a REAL degree in clinical nutrition, etc. (2) Again, guess you're having trouble with reading comprehension. What did I say? "But, as far as everyone knows your experience isn't any better than the guy flipping burgers at your favorite In & Out." Take some time to understand that and if you're still having trouble, get back with us...
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 31, 2018 12:24:43 GMT
Let me note:
1. I posted some facts about the BS claims (aka "references" ) regarding collagen since it is nothing more than a protein comprised of amino acids and a few other trace products. And collagen, like any other protein source, is broken down during digestion. 2. Mikey response "I don't know about all of that".
So Mikey, there you have it.
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