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Post by Michael on Aug 17, 2018 22:19:58 GMT
Would moderate deadlifts -- say 3 x 5 x 185lbs and some light KB presses be legal on one "off day" if others are doing things like VRT. Nothing heavy, nothing to failure, reps low. Texas, I could be wrong, but I believe Silverlooks just did the KSHD (VRT) to make his arms looked pumped for the girls, . I don't think he does anything else. This is just my opinion, but if you want to get a good assestment I would just do Drew Baye's protocol. I'll probably have to walk everyday because I can't sit still.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 17, 2018 22:58:29 GMT
Nice one mate , so 3 iso workouts a week and then VRT on other days . Sounds good ! Is this in response to what I wrote?
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Post by vegetus25 on Aug 17, 2018 23:52:53 GMT
sierraexercise.proboards.com/user/36/recent?page=2Silverlooks - "Hello Bruce, I do KSHD very rarely and infrequently, and when I do it's 1 set of 2 or 3 exercises maximum, on a rest day as active recovery, or for an extra pump, so I can't credit KSHD for any percentage of my development. I haven't done it for months anyways. KSHD is a world of its own which I would like to experiment with exclusively sometime in the future in order to see its potential and limitations. But for the time being, I'll stick to overcoming isos."
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 18, 2018 0:01:30 GMT
Oh. Maybe I ought to let people speak for themselves. But, I'm sure he said he does something on that one day in the middle of the 3-day recovery.
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Post by Michael on Aug 18, 2018 0:14:31 GMT
I'd be willing to do it with you. Let me know when you get it and are ready to start. Also let me know how you want to measure the results. I'll send my before picture. If I can improve on the picture I'd just took than the would be very surprised. I did buy the program because I was planning on doing it in December. Any advice that Silverlooks could give from his experiences would be appreciated. Anyhow, let me know Texas. The TSC book includes two full-body workouts A&B. I advise you alternate between them with 2 days rest (minimum) in between, as I'm currently doing. Silverlooks are You talking about the two workouts where it says,"The Minimalist TSC Workout"? Or the two below the Workout Volume and Frequency paragraph?
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Post by Silverlooks on Aug 18, 2018 0:21:43 GMT
sierraexercise.proboards.com/user/36/recent?page=2Silverlooks - "Hello Bruce, I do KSHD very rarely and infrequently, and when I do it's 1 set of 2 or 3 exercises maximum, on a rest day as active recovery, or for an extra pump, so I can't credit KSHD for any percentage of my development. I haven't done it for months anyways. KSHD is a world of its own which I would like to experiment with exclusively sometime in the future in order to see its potential and limitations. But for the time being, I'll stick to overcoming isos." Thank you Veg for the clarification
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Post by Silverlooks on Aug 18, 2018 0:25:41 GMT
The TSC book includes two full-body workouts A&B. I advise you alternate between them with 2 days rest (minimum) in between, as I'm currently doing. Silverlooks are You talking about the two workouts where it says,"The Minimalist TSC Workout"? Or the two below the Workout Volume and Frequency paragraph? It's the two in the "Workout Volume and Frequency" chapter. I knew you would soon give TSC a try, TexRanger sure sparks enthusiasm for many people here with his rich contributions.
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Post by Bob50 on Aug 18, 2018 3:08:12 GMT
From my experience, the combination of isometrics with KSHD/VRT gives the best results because after isometric exercises you can reach higher levels of voluntary muscle co-tension/co-contraction in KSHD/VRT exercises. Without periodical isometric training, these levels of muscle co-tension may subconsciously decrease. Factually, periodical usage of isometrics allows overcoming plateau in KSHD/VRT training.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 8:29:28 GMT
Nice one mate , so 3 iso workouts a week and then VRT on other days . Sounds good ! Is this in response to what I wrote?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 8:29:42 GMT
Yes mate nice one
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Post by Michael on Aug 18, 2018 10:31:33 GMT
It's the two in the "Workout Volume and Frequency" chapter. I knew you would soon give TSC a try, TexRanger sure sparks enthusiasm for many people here with his rich contributions. I was planning on trying it in December but I didn't want to leave him hanging.
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Post by macky on Aug 19, 2018 10:19:18 GMT
Silvertoes is the only person I know of who has built size comparable to lifting weights through isometrics. There are those who can't build impressive size with their particular version of isos, so they pile on the adjectives - lean, lithe, sculpted, and feral. BTW, I have a question. There is the 5-6-7 protocol, which we've all heard of. And then there's Silverlooks' 30-30-30 protocol, with which he NAILED it. Why the initial 50% and then 75% holds? Why not just go straight for the jugular with one timed 100% hold? In my experience, the ramped 20-20-20 using the same protocol as the 30-30-30 was somehow tougher than doing a straight 60 seconds all out.
I don't know why this should be, but there was definitely a difference. The only thing I can think of is that with the straight 60 seconds, the last x number of seconds may be a falling off of tension even though you're doing your best to maintain full effort, whereas by starting medium tension, then three-quarter, then full tension you can really sock it in when your muscles are already partially fatigued from the first two phases, for a greater effect. With the 30-30-30 I felt that I had been weight training the next day, tight, tired, but not sore like I would have been otherwise with metal.
Another advantage with the 30-30-30 (or 20-20-20) is that the hold has its own warmup, convenient if you're doing the odd exercise through the day instead of a full workout.
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Post by macky on Aug 19, 2018 10:21:33 GMT
Here's mine...just got my haircut for the photo, BTW: , How are You going to improve on this. He'll get a better haircut next time. The barber had shaky hands by the look of his forehead.
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Post by macky on Aug 19, 2018 10:44:38 GMT
Another thing, it's probably already been said, but I would be interested to know what the isometric hold times were, that were used to compare with the eccentrics in the study.
We can quote study after study, usually with some justification, but if the isometrics in the study had only (say) 6 second holds, then it would come as no surprise that weighted eccentrics were better at muscle activation whatever.
The 30-30-30 ramped hold time in my opinion is a genuine breakthrough in isometric protocol (I've said that before, I know ) even the age of it. If that hold time had been used in the study/tests/experiments quoted by TR, I would bet that the results would have been at least the same as the eccentrics.
I've been able after a bit of training to be able to hold 60 seconds at full effort on some exercises, but not 90 seconds. Even 60 is a long time unde max tension compared with weight training movements.
And the question of whether sets of the same isometrics exercises were used in the study. In other words, sets and hold times.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2018 17:15:26 GMT
Lots of good stuff in those two posts above by macky.
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