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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 17, 2018 14:25:29 GMT
Silvertoes is the only person I know of who has built size comparable to lifting weights through isometrics.
There are those who can't build impressive size with their particular version of isos, so they pile on the adjectives - lean, lithe, sculpted, and feral.
BTW, I have a question. There is the 5-6-7 protocol, which we've all heard of. And then there's Silverlooks' 30-30-30 protocol, with which he NAILED it. Why the initial 50% and then 75% holds? Why not just go straight for the jugular with one timed 100% hold?
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 17, 2018 14:45:01 GMT
Silvertoes is the only person I know of who has built size comparable to lifting weights through isometrics. (1) There are those who can't build impressive size with their particular version of isos, so they pile on the adjectives - lean, lithe, sculpted, and feral. BTW, I have a question. There is the 5-6-7 protocol, which we've all heard of. And then there's Silverlooks' 30-30-30 protocol, with which he NAILED it. Why the initial 50% and then 75% holds? Why not just go straight for the jugular with one timed 100% hold? (2) (1) Built or re-built? I think that is a reasonable pregunto... (2) John Little recommends this and published his findings/results based on the results of multiple clients following the program in a document called the Nautilus North Study: drdavidmarcon.blogspot.com/2010/02/nautilus-north-study.html(I've got the full .pdf on a server somewhere...but the entire 10 week study was done using isometrics, the exercises prescribed by Little and there were before/after bodyfat measurements taken using a product that at the time was allegedly state of the art.)
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Post by donovan5 on Aug 17, 2018 14:47:50 GMT
Silvertoes is the only person I know of who has built size comparable to lifting weights through isometrics. There are those who can't build impressive size with their particular version of isos, so they pile on the adjectives - lean, lithe, sculpted, and feral. BTW, I have a question. There is the 5-6-7 protocol, which we've all heard of. And then there's Silverlooks' 30-30-30 protocol, with which he NAILED it. Why the initial 50% and then 75% holds? Why not just go straight for the jugular with one timed 100% hold? At a guess you wouldn't be able to hold it long enough to get the "volume" required for such size gains
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 17, 2018 14:58:26 GMT
Silvertoes is the only person I know of who has built size comparable to lifting weights through isometrics. There are those who can't build impressive size with their particular version of isos, so they pile on the adjectives - lean, lithe, sculpted, and feral. BTW, I have a question. There is the 5-6-7 protocol, which we've all heard of. And then there's Silverlooks' 30-30-30 protocol, with which he NAILED it. Why the initial 50% and then 75% holds? Why not just go straight for the jugular with one timed 100% hold? At a guess you wouldn't be able to hold it long enough to get the "volume" required for such size gains I'm not saying to hold it for a full 90 seconds, I'm just asking why not just go for the last 30 100% seconds?
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 17, 2018 15:06:04 GMT
Silvertoes is the only person I know of who has built size comparable to lifting weights through isometrics. (1) Built or re-built? I think that is a reasonable pregunto... Silvertoes says he has built greater size using isometrics. And even if he rebuilt what he had accomplished through weights, his use of isos would be comparable to lifting weights. Everytime I've gone off on a purely iso routine I have always lost size. But then, I've never done Silverlooks' 30-30-30 thingy.
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 17, 2018 15:10:58 GMT
Could very well be. John Little posted impressive claims via his Nautilus North study and these were with individuals who'd been training for a while.
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Post by Silverlooks on Aug 17, 2018 15:53:16 GMT
At a guess you wouldn't be able to hold it long enough to get the "volume" required for such size gains I'm not saying to hold it for a full 90 seconds, I'm just asking why not just go for the last 30 100% seconds? I need to do full 90 sec for the optimized TUL effect, I need a warm up, and to work up to maximum contration, and to have a frame of reference for intensity (mental), I can't hold maximum contraction for 90 sec, and I need the cardiovascular effect of the 90 sec.
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Post by doomfarer1 on Aug 17, 2018 16:00:23 GMT
Silver by all appearances has done an excellent job w his ISO routine. There are too many variables here to really assess it (built or rebuilt) however look at his diet too. It’s reasonable and he replaces dinner with 2 helpings of nuts etc. That combined with a dedicated, long-term Isometrics regimen will really cut someone up, and definition makes for a good photograph.
Same thing w JP, his goal was to be lean; that coupled with a fasting type lifestyle and ISOs gets you there. I dont think it was a matter of not being able to gain a lot of mass. And let’s be clear, he’s approaching 70 yrs old. But mass wasn’t the goal to be fair.
Solytrain’s photos from his youth show a body-type much like Silver’s. So Silver isn’t the only one to look this way. I don’t know if it’s still on his avatar or not over there.
For the record, because I’ve seen a back and forth over this, Solytrain didn’t invent the 5-6-7. His Grandfather, Joseph Greenstein aka The Mighty Atom did and passed it on to him. Greenstein spent some time over in SW Asia and India to learn their methods of strength, so who knows where he learned it or if he developed it himself. We know he encountered the Great Gama, and Gama May or may not have introduced him to Isometrics. It is recorded that Gama told him about using a tree to practice his throws. It isn’t a stretch to think that others may have thought of it or applied it. But we are talking about it because Solytrain learned it from a famously strong man and Soly used it exclusively to build real strength and a nice physique from it alone.
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Post by doomfarer1 on Aug 17, 2018 16:07:13 GMT
@silverlook
That 90 sec contraction is a Bear man I did it w a deadlift and standing leg press w the Belt this morning. I can see it will take a while to master, and why you take your days off. Sometimes I do 30 sec holds at close to max and I enjoy those, other times I’ve held for a minute at like a third intensity. But this was different. I still prefer the 5-6-7. I typically can train everyday using it and throughout the day on days off of work. And I like to train every day.
Regardless, my hat is off to you thats an intense protocol! I may organize a routine around it for a few weeks in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 16:11:51 GMT
I've been doing iso's for a little over 10 years now and multiple times i have gone for long periods where i have done only isometric workouts and they keep my body lean and dense . Currently I would say my training is 70% isometrics and 30% low rep progressive calisthenics and I'm getting results !!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 16:14:43 GMT
Hey silverlooks i see iso's work for you too ! What is a typical workout like for you and how long are your isometric holds ?
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Post by Bob50 on Aug 17, 2018 16:17:00 GMT
www.muscleforlife.com/muscle-memory/My experience also confirmed this phenomenon. After 2 serious sportive injuries in my 20s and my surgery/radiation in 2007, I could regain muscles strength and mass very quickly. Of course, my last regain was not as in my 20s because of age reasons.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 17, 2018 16:51:11 GMT
Hey silverlooks i see iso's work for you too ! What is a typical workout like for you and how long are your isometric holds ? I can answer that! Those same questions have been asked of Silvertoes multiple times and he's probably tired of answering. He does one isometric workout with 3 days recovery in between each. He does 8 isos on those days, each one at 30 seconds @ 50%, 30 sec @ 75%, and 30 sec @ 100%, i.e., 30-30-30. On the day directly in between his iso workouts, he does Kin Shi-Hai Do exercises
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 17, 2018 16:54:15 GMT
I'm not saying to hold it for a full 90 seconds, I'm just asking why not just go for the last 30 100% seconds? I need to do full 90 sec for the optimized TUL effect, I need a warm up, and to work up to maximum contration, and to have a frame of reference for intensity (mental), I can't hold maximum contraction for 90 sec, and I need the cardiovascular effect of the 90 sec. Thanks, Silvers. That explains it.
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Post by gruntbrain on Aug 17, 2018 17:09:55 GMT
My application of the 90 second isometrics is alternating easy and max exertions throughout the 90+ seconds .
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