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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 17, 2017 9:46:30 GMT
I thought that only that dork, JP ever said things like "full amplitude of movements".  |
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 17, 2017 13:18:04 GMT
Mov Disord. 2009 May 15;24(7):1001-8. doi: 10.1002/mds.22480. Impairments of speed and amplitude of movement in Parkinson's disease: a pilot study.Abstract Bradykinesia, characterized by slowness and decreased amplitude of movement, is often considered the most important deficit in Parkinson's disease (PD). The current clinical rating of bradykinesia in PD, based on the motor subscale of the Unified Parkinson's disease Rating Scale (UPDRS-III), does not individually weigh the impairments in speed and amplitude of rapid alternating movements. We sought to categorize movement in PD to determine whether speed and amplitude have different relationships to current measures of motor impairment and disability. Categories of speed and amplitude (normal, slow/low, and very-slow/very-low) were ascertained using an electromagnetic tracking device. Amplitude was disproportionally more affected than speed in the "off" state. UPDRS-III and the Schwab & England disability scale were worst in patients with very impaired amplitude and best in patients with normal amplitude. A similarly graded relationship was not found for categories of speed impairment. The examiner clinical global impression of change mirrored "off" state amplitude but not speed categories. Levodopa, however, normalized speed to a greater extent than amplitude. Our observations suggest that amplitude and speed impairments may be associated with different functional aspects in PD and deserve separate clinical assessment. (c) 2009 Movement Disorder Society. So, "maximum amplitude" = "full ROM". Who would have guessed that JeP knows more than the Wile e. Coyotes? |
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 17, 2017 15:01:11 GMT
Really too bad we can't use simple words to describe exercise, but feel the need to invent cryptic, pompous, complex, secret-decoder-ring-required and, sometimes, oxymoronic words or acronyms which disrupt the reader's thoughts since they must stop to figure out what the hell is being said before they can even evaluate the info presented ..... and forget about putting it into practice - By the time I've figured out what the hell all of those big and/or meaningless words are intended to mean, I'm out of the mood to do it anyway.
I don't need that shit. I want info that is easily understood by a 10 year old so that I can read it and do it, if I want.
K.I.S.S.
If it takes a Phd to understand or can't be easily understood on first read by an average 10 year old, it's time for a rewrite.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 17, 2017 16:01:05 GMT
Really too bad we can't use simple words to describe exercise, but feel the need to invent cryptic, pompous, complex, secret-decoder-ring-required and, sometimes, oxymoronic words or acronyms which disrupt the reader's thoughts since they must stop to figure out what the hell is being said before they can even evaluate the info presented ..... and forget about putting it into practice - By the time I've figured out what the hell all of those big and/or meaningless words are intended to mean, I'm out of the mood to do it anyway. I don't need that shit. I want info that is easily understood by a 10 year old so that I can read it and do it, if I want. K.I.S.S. If it takes a Phd to understand or can't be easily understood on first read by an average 10 year old, it's time for a rewrite. We could also throw in wicked-cool secret handshakes. |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 17, 2017 16:04:17 GMT
I'm going to take a stab at this. SD means slow, partial reps with external resistance. Seeker is saying the same thing can be duplicated with co-contraction, but because there is no external resistance, full ROM can be employed. Am I hedging? Am I close?
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 17, 2017 16:30:12 GMT
Really too bad we can't use simple words to describe exercise, but feel the need to invent cryptic, pompous, complex, secret-decoder-ring-required and, sometimes, oxymoronic words or acronyms which disrupt the reader's thoughts since they must stop to figure out what the hell is being said before they can even evaluate the info presented ..... and forget about putting it into practice - By the time I've figured out what the hell all of those big and/or meaningless words are intended to mean, I'm out of the mood to do it anyway. I don't need that shit. I want info that is easily understood by a 10 year old so that I can read it and do it, if I want. K.I.S.S. If it takes a Phd to understand or can't be easily understood on first read by an average 10 year old, it's time for a rewrite. I suppose that just as plants and animals have to have there scientific, Latin names, so do exercise protocols. I like this statement from Jay Cutler,"I don't give a shit what studies show, I did my learning from Zane and Schwarzenegger." |
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 17, 2017 16:47:45 GMT
I suppose that just as plants and animals have to have there scientific, Latin names, so do exercise protocols. Yeah, we wouldn't want to make flexing easy to understand for the average joe. Simple flexing must be taught in a cryptic, complicated, scholarly way, using meaningless names and acronyms so that people without Phd's or a secret Latin decoder ring won't have a clue what we're talking about. |
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 17, 2017 17:05:08 GMT
I'm going to take a stab at this. SD means slow, partial reps with external resistance. Seeker is saying the same thing can be duplicated with co-contraction, but because there is no external resistance, full ROM can be employed. Am I hedging? Am I close? You are right, Bruce.  |
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 17, 2017 17:07:36 GMT
OMG! One simple sentence explained it all!
So, what does Synchronized Dancing have to do with exercise?
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 17, 2017 18:24:55 GMT
I suppose that just as plants and animals have to have there scientific, Latin names, so do exercise protocols. Yeah, we wouldn't want to make flexing easy to understand for the average joe. Simple flexing must be taught in a cryptic, complicated, scholarly way, using meaningless names and acronyms so that people without Phd's or a secret Latin decoder ring won't have a clue what we're talking about. Indeed and we could post unrelated studies but hope that nobody actually bothers to read them otherwise they would find out we don't know what we are talking about. Mind you, there's already a couple of sites for that. Transformetrics and Lionquest. |
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 17, 2017 19:24:00 GMT
Yeah, we wouldn't want to make flexing easy to understand for the average joe. Simple flexing must be taught in a cryptic, complicated, scholarly way, using meaningless names and acronyms so that people without Phd's or a secret Latin decoder ring won't have a clue what we're talking about. Indeed and we could post unrelated studies but hope that nobody actually bothers to read them otherwise they would find out we don't know what we are talking about. Mind you, there's already a couple of sites for that. Transformetrics and Lionquest. Yes Transformetrics the Mecca of the exercise world, the only place where you will be able to build the "Ultimate Body". Young men will admire you and women will fall off their elliptical trainers as you walk by. Where else can you go to learn that weights do not work, you will just end up with busted joints and more muscle than the minister. You can learn the secrets to 100 belly bounces. Well I am off to join that wonderful site, where everything is the truth! (rofl) If you have a problem with PHD's don't ever visit Pornhub or other similar sites. |
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 18, 2017 14:33:25 GMT
Really too bad we can't use simple words to describe exercise, but feel the need to invent cryptic, pompous, complex, secret-decoder-ring-required and, sometimes, oxymoronic words or acronyms which disrupt the reader's thoughts since they must stop to figure out what the hell is being said before they can even evaluate the info presented ..... and forget about putting it into practice - By the time I've figured out what the hell all of those big and/or meaningless words are intended to mean, I'm out of the mood to do it anyway. I don't need that shit. I want info that is easily understood by a 10 year old so that I can read it and do it, if I want. K.I.S.S. If it takes a Phd to understand or can't be easily understood on first read by an average 10 year old, it's time for a rewrite. I suppose that just as plants and animals have to have there scientific, Latin names, so do exercise protocols. I like this statement from Jay Cutler,"I don't give a shit what studies show, I did my learning from Zane and Schwarzenegger." Having seen Culter's pics/videos, apparently, he didn't pay attention to his lessons from Zane... |
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 18, 2017 14:46:42 GMT
Mov Disord. 2009 May 15;24(7):1001-8. doi: 10.1002/mds.22480. Impairments of speed and amplitude of movement in Parkinson's disease: a pilot study.Abstract Bradykinesia, characterized by slowness and decreased amplitude of movement, is often considered the most important deficit in Parkinson's disease (PD). The current clinical rating of bradykinesia in PD, based on the motor subscale of the Unified Parkinson's disease Rating Scale (UPDRS-III), does not individually weigh the impairments in speed and amplitude of rapid alternating movements. We sought to categorize movement in PD to determine whether speed and amplitude have different relationships to current measures of motor impairment and disability. Categories of speed and amplitude (normal, slow/low, and very-slow/very-low) were ascertained using an electromagnetic tracking device. Amplitude was disproportionally more affected than speed in the "off" state. UPDRS-III and the Schwab & England disability scale were worst in patients with very impaired amplitude and best in patients with normal amplitude. A similarly graded relationship was not found for categories of speed impairment. The examiner clinical global impression of change mirrored "off" state amplitude but not speed categories. Levodopa, however, normalized speed to a greater extent than amplitude. Our observations suggest that amplitude and speed impairments may be associated with different functional aspects in PD and deserve separate clinical assessment. (c) 2009 Movement Disorder Society. So, "maximum amplitude" = "full ROM". Who would have guessed that JeP knows more than the Wile e. Coyotes? He doesn't, trust me. And the term amplitude, based on the most common usage -- physics -- is: "the absolute value of the maximum displacement from a zero value during one period of an oscillation." I have a friend who is head of the Physical Therapy Dep't at one of the major hospitals downtown (I used to post information from her on Portalguy's old board) and I decided to ask her, after seeing Seeker's post, how common "amplitude" is used? She wrote back and said "we use range of motion as the term is more relevant". |
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 18, 2017 15:23:12 GMT
She wrote back and said "we use range of motion as the term is more relevant". Yeah, no doubt! It helps me when I can read and understand, simple terms used that are actually relevant to the topic of exercise.  |
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 18, 2017 15:35:16 GMT
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