Michael
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Post by Michael on Oct 12, 2017 0:28:47 GMT
For myself, every kind of routine I've tried as I gotten older Honestly never seemed to put on more size. I always seem to look a little differant but I don't think I built more muscle. Not a big guy like 6'4'' 245 lbs like Texas ranger. I honestly don't care as long as my waist stays the size it is. Do You guys think a guy past his forties can actually build more muscle? Just curious.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 12, 2017 0:38:04 GMT
Absolutely, positively, yes! I didn't start a serious routine that I stuck with until I was 38. I made gains by the bucket loads in the first year, and then gradually over the next couple of years. When I was 65 I decided I wanted to see how big I could get my arms, so I piled on every arm exercise I knew, using all sorts of equipment and doing one set to failure. In one month my arms went from 17 3/8" to 18 1/2". Here's a thread I wrote about that: www.tapatalk.com/groups/theofficebodybuildingworkout28918/1-in-four-weeks-t9585.html#.U9fvHU10zIU
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 12, 2017 0:40:55 GMT
And look at jabbers. He's 56 and we've seen him put on size over the years. With all the champion bodybuilders hands he's shaken, he probably got his size through osmosis.
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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 12, 2017 0:43:00 GMT
For most beings everything shrinks with age except prostates ; Bruce is a mutant .
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Oct 12, 2017 0:58:51 GMT
That's funny Gruntbrain. You're probably right, I think genetics has alot to do with it.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 12, 2017 1:00:39 GMT
One thing I've noticed with age is that my hair is moving down from the top of my head to the tops of my ears.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 12, 2017 1:05:15 GMT
I'm no genetic freak. I was a very skinny young man. That's the reason size is important to me. At 21 and 5'9", I weighed 122 lbs. If you want to put on size, you've got to hit progressive resistance with a vengeance. As you say, Isos won't do it. But then, you say that isn't important to you, anyway.
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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 12, 2017 1:09:05 GMT
Jack, you may want to focus on strength gains and with luck muscle size may follow . Pushing against an old fashion bathroom scale provides a way of evaluating your effort and measuring strength gains .
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 12, 2017 1:21:54 GMT
Jack, you may want to focus on strength gains and with luck muscle size may follow . Pushing against an old fashion bathroom scale provides a way of evaluating your effort and measuring strength gains . Funny you should say that. My primary goal was size, and strength followed. Back then there was no Internet, no sharing of ideas and knowledge. For the first 12 years of working out, I followed the traditional protocol - 3 sets/10 reps per exercise, adding weight when able to do so. After 12 years of this, getting strong was an inevitable by-product of building for size.
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Post by jabbers on Oct 12, 2017 2:40:47 GMT
And look at jabbers. He's 56 and we've seen him put on size over the years. With all the champion bodybuilders hands he's shaken, he probably got his size through osmosis. It’s all about sets and reps the odd steak and egg sandwich pumping the bullworker countless times , streaching bands on hooks, and the odd bit of lifting can only imagation how a bit of HRT would go think I’ll stick to chia seeds on my morning cereal 😉💪🏻👍🏻
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Post by jabbers on Oct 12, 2017 2:56:42 GMT
It’s never to late consistency is the key your got to want that change to make it happen it’s a struggle no doubt the older you get the harder I find it to do but it keeps me going plus I where smaller size shirts for photos it makes my arms look bigger 😉
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 12, 2017 3:00:56 GMT
The answer, in my humble opinion, is a resounding 'no' as sarcopenia starts kicking in at 35 - 40. Other factors can and will affect it: - Diet. Junk food, alcohol, etc., all screw up our hormonal balance. They are create inflammation which inhibits muscle growth/causes loss of muscle fiber. Also, a bad diet = bodyfat. Bodyfat = higher than normal estrogen, lower testosterone/HGH in males. High estrogen = inhibition of muscle growth.
- Stress. Affects hormonal balance, etc.
- Illness.
- Overtraining. Mega-set training, high volume training.
- Drugs/meds. Advil wreaks hell on hypertrophy.
- Age. We get older, our production of growth hormone and testosterone slows.
- Not staying in a fasting window long enough. You need at least 12 hours of no food in the body to let insulin levels drop and HGH and glucagon levels kick in.
(Probably leaving some things out.) We can slow it by training, but, after that biological process starts--sarcopenia, dats it sports fans. Caveats: 1. If you didn't train previously or didn't train properly in the past, then, you can probably add some muscle. 2. If you stopped overtraining and let the muscles recover enough to heal/grow, then, an older guy can probably finally put on some muscle. 3. If you're on a good diet and you're lean, then, your hormones are probably in better shape than someone carrying more BF. (Bodyfat is not a friend to hypertrophy if you haven't noticed the trend by now...) 4. If you're using enough overload to generate hypertrophy and you haven't hit your personal bests. I know I'm nowhere near past PRs, so, I'm not going to generate the IGF-1 within the muscle like I did when I was hitting PRs in the past. 5. If you're hitting one of those male testosterone places here in the US or juicing, you'll be able to put on muscle. Jackrow - I don't consider myself to be a "big guy" as I know I'm carrying more BF than I want to/need to. Yes, I can still pick up some respectable weights even for a guy with a mostly salt (vs salt & pepper) mustache and beard. But at this stage, we need to think health as Grunt alludes to. How do we prevent or reverse heart disease, prostate issues, blah blah blah. MDs that I read say a vegan or tight vegetarian diet--not there yet, more aerobics than what I'm doing (both to keep IGF-1 levels down) and lower weights to avoid things like left ventricular hypertrophy. There was a segment on Dr. Oz which included Dr. Mark Hyman and Dr. Rozein where they talked about being "overfat" and the health implications (as noted above). Oz said this ticks off people when he discusses this, but, he said your waist should be half your weight in inches. If you are, then you're probably doing things correctly (via your diet, sleep, stress, training, etc.)...that is another goal of mine.
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Post by jabbers on Oct 12, 2017 4:02:27 GMT
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 12, 2017 9:29:13 GMT
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 12, 2017 9:44:51 GMT
Whoops! They got some of it wrong... "You get stronger when you’re drinking a protein shake while watching an NCIS marathon on USA." No, you don't. You get strong when your body's in a cataboic state. You consume a protein shake and you're in an anabolic state. I've done some searches on the web and cannot find the applicable charts, but, here's what happens: 1. You drink that protein shake and a whole series of processes start, some good, some not so good. 2. One not so good regarding not getting stronger is that protein shake is a processed food and it jacks with your insulin levels more quickly than a chicken breast, but, more imporantly, those insulin levels are now up and are going to take a while to come back down. 3. Insulin is an anabolic hormone -- people think testosterone and yes, that is also anabolic -- but so is insulin. It shuttles protein, carbs, fat, vitamins, etc., into your cells or you'd be dead. (And BTW, many of these idiot bodybuilders are using insulin as part of their PED regimes for this very reason.) Critical yes, but, important to make sure you don't release too much. 4. As long as your insulin levels are up, your growth hormone levels will be supressed. And testosterone will not work as optimally as it does with GH. And glucagon -- in general, defined as the body's fat burning hormone or the opposite of insulin -- is definitely being suppressed. 5. Another not so good is the release of IGF-1 by the protein shake. Another vital hormone, yes, but too much IGF-1 is associated with issues like cancer per research I've read. So, in all of that there's not a lot of muscle growth growing on. You're storing macronutrients, stuffing them into healthy tissue and fat tissue. But, once your insuin levels start to drop, GH and glucagon levels start to rise and testosterone will work more effectively and do its magic. This is why people are so big (so to speak) on Intermittent Fasting...the optimal window for going without food is 16hrs per everything I've read in various publications and on the sites. Things start to look good at 12 hours, 16 is best and anything more after that becomes negiible at best. Brad Pilon, who wrote the eBook Eat Stop Eat years ago, has an educational background in this stuff and -- IMHO -- got the whole IF movement started in the 2000s (sorry Ori Hofmekler...but the Warrior Diet isn't a true IF program). His explanation doesn't cover everything, but, it gives you a pretty good visual of how IF and fat burning work:
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