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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 12, 2017 9:56:55 GMT
I just took that statement about the protein shake & TV on the couch as a humorous contrast to their point of sufficient recovery time from WO stress. It seems to me to be typical of the cavalier approach to writing the articles on AOM.
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Post by Michael on Oct 12, 2017 10:52:19 GMT
The answer, in my humble opinion, is a resounding 'no' as sarcopenia starts kicking in at 35 - 40. Other factors can and will affect it: - Diet. Junk food, alcohol, etc., all screw up our hormonal balance. They are create inflammation which inhibits muscle growth/causes loss of muscle fiber. Also, a bad diet = bodyfat. Bodyfat = higher than normal estrogen, lower testosterone/HGH in males. High estrogen = inhibition of muscle growth.
- Stress. Affects hormonal balance, etc.
- Illness.
- Overtraining. Mega-set training, high volume training.
- Drugs/meds. Advil wreaks hell on hypertrophy.
- Age. We get older, our production of growth hormone and testosterone slows.
- Not staying in a fasting window long enough. You need at least 12 hours of no food in the body to let insulin levels drop and HGH and glucagon levels kick in.
(Probably leaving some things out.) We can slow it by training, but, after that biological process starts--sarcopenia, dats it sports fans. Caveats: 1. If you didn't train previously or didn't train properly in the past, then, you can probably add some muscle. 2. If you stopped overtraining and let the muscles recover enough to heal/grow, then, an older guy can probably finally put on some muscle. 3. If you're on a good diet and you're lean, then, your hormones are probably in better shape than someone carrying more BF. (Bodyfat is not a friend to hypertrophy if you haven't noticed the trend by now...) 4. If you're using enough overload to generate hypertrophy and you haven't hit your personal bests. I know I'm nowhere near past PRs, so, I'm not going to generate the IGF-1 within the muscle like I did when I was hitting PRs in the past. 5. If you're hitting one of those male testosterone places here in the US or juicing, you'll be able to put on muscle. Jackrow - I don't consider myself to be a "big guy" as I know I'm carrying more BF than I want to/need to. Yes, I can still pick up some respectable weights even for a guy with a mostly salt (vs salt & pepper) mustache and beard. But at this stage, we need to think health as Grunt alludes to. How do we prevent or reverse heart disease, prostate issues, blah blah blah. MDs that I read say a vegan or tight vegetarian diet--not there yet, more aerobics than what I'm doing (both to keep IGF-1 levels down) and lower weights to avoid things like left ventricular hypertrophy. There was a segment on Dr. Oz which included Dr. Mark Hyman and Dr. Rozein where they talked about being "overfat" and the health implications (as noted above). Oz said this ticks off people when he discusses this, but, he said your waist should be half your weight in inches. If you are, then you're probably doing things correctly (via your diet, sleep, stress, training, etc.)...that is another goal of mine.  Texas I agree and health is my number one thought. I was just curious if someone can really put on size and build muscle as an older guy. I know for myself, no matter what program I do I may look a little more defined but the tape measure always stayed the same My arms will get a pump but that's about it. I honestly don't care. What Oz said about the waist sounds like a good marker, I should be pretty close to that, I'll have to check. Thanks for taking the time to write that. |
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 12, 2017 11:03:51 GMT
I think it's a ratio of height to waist measurement, not weight to waist. Your waist should, ideally, be no larger than half of your height.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 12, 2017 11:07:51 GMT
I think it's a ratio of height to waist measurement, not weight to waist. Your waist should, ideally, be no larger than half of your height. Mr. Mikey - Yes sir, you are correct. Thank you for the catch. |
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Oct 12, 2017 11:10:18 GMT
Past the age of 40 for most: maintenance=progress.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 12, 2017 13:13:06 GMT
I'm thankful for every little bit of muscle I can manage to add. It ain't easy now.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 12, 2017 17:55:46 GMT
Of course it all depends on your background. If you've always adhered to a progressive routine, chances are you maxed out a long time ago. On the other hand, if you were to pull out all the stops, pile on the exercises, take a deep breath, and stick with some sort of HIIT routine for awhile, as I did a few years ago, you could make some additional gains.
If you've always done a moderate to very little amount of exercise, even just solely isometrics, I believe you can build size by following a program geared towards that end. It is performing full range reps utilizing resistance that pumps the muscles.
I remember when President Reagan was shot, his doctor advised him to start exercising. So he got a bunch of Nautilus equipment. And then Nancy started complaining that he was outgrowing his shirts.
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Post by gruntbrain on Oct 12, 2017 19:43:16 GMT
In Hollywood aging actresses gain size with breast implants . The last words at their eulogises are NICE RACK
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Post by jabbers on Oct 12, 2017 21:09:06 GMT
 Heres a a photo from 2014 I was also attending boxing around that time but ended up injuring my shoulder I think I looked better then a lot leaner probably carry to much weight for a man my age these days but l like feeling big  |
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 12, 2017 22:03:35 GMT
"Really put on size"? Nah...but you can definitely carry some good, lean body mass with the right training program as discussed and healthy diet. Speaking of putting on size, one of the things that makes me laff now is the whole mindset about resting and letting your muscles grow while putting your life on hold. Vince Gironda and some of the Weider authors would warn about doing other physical activities because they would cut into your recovery and make your arms shrink or some such thing. Imagine if you're in the military..."Oh no Sgt., I'm not doing PT with the squadron because I did arms yesterday." Or you need to paint your house or work on your car. I've shared this before, but, the first time I was down at Venice Beach was in 1982 and Tim Belknap was walking down the street towards us. The young lady I was with started snickering and while I can't remember her exact words, it was basically "what a joke". (I do recall she did say "I hope you don't want to look like that.") A little shock, but, I don't think I've met anyone of the female persuasion that thought 'big arms' or big pecs looked good. Gymnasts, swimmers...yep. One lady went so far as to say (as I recall) 'that stuff is only show for the other guys, if you know what I mean'. Well, uhmm...yes...even Charles Gaines talked about it in the original Pumping Iron... |
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 12, 2017 22:10:22 GMT
I may be skinny, but chicks dig me. Teehee.
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Post by TexasRanger on Oct 12, 2017 22:12:22 GMT
Whiffet must crush it with the women...
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 12, 2017 23:33:58 GMT
Well personally I would rather be strong, than look strong. As we all know you cannot judge a book buy its cover. Some of the strongest guys I have worked with over the years, who also have the muscle endurance to keep working look like nothing special.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 12, 2017 23:45:00 GMT
Yeah, I've noticed the same w/ some MMA fighters. Guys that walk around w/ fat jiggling around their body so much you'd think they could not do anything to anybody can be devastating man bashers.
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Post by Michael on Oct 13, 2017 2:27:03 GMT
Of course it all depends on your background. If you've always adhered to a progressive routine, chances are you maxed out a long time ago. On the other hand, if you were to pull out all the stops, pile on the exercises, take a deep breath, and stick with some sort of HIIT routine for awhile, as I did a few years ago, you could make some additional gains. If you've always done a moderate to very little amount of exercise, even just solely isometrics, I believe you can build size by following a program geared towards that end. It is performing full range reps utilizing resistance that pumps the muscles. I remember when President Reagan was shot, his doctor advised him to start exercising. So he got a bunch of Nautilus equipment. And then Nancy started complaining that he was outgrowing his shirts. Bruce this is a good point of view. Question, You mean HIT right? HIT is one thing I never tried. By the way, I looked at Your routine You did before. That's a pretty impressive routine. |
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