A Guy Trying to Help Protect Kids in Schools

[brothersteve]

Retired military dad creates bulletproof shields disguised as wall art for schools

"For me this is a mission to do what I can , I can't address the gun issue , I can't address the mental health issue , I 'm only doing what I can what I know how to do I would strongly prefer if I didn't have to do this making a shield that's going to an elementary school to protect against an active shooter , it's sickening to me , there's no joy in any of this we shouldn't have a society where kids can be killed just going to school,” says Gibbons

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[mr potatohead]

If the goal was to actually protect children or anyone, there would not be "gun free zones".

[lardy]

Apr 3, 2023 18:15:13 GMT mr potatohead said:

If the goal was to actually protect children or anyone, there would not be "gun free zones".

Yep I agree, I don't think guns should be legal because i'm a numbers guy and the numbers indicate the countries where guns are banned have almost no mass shootings but that's easy for me to say living in another country with more civilized folk (just kidding) but yeah, i can't comment on gun laws over there because i'm not in that country, I do however agree with this. it seems ridiculous that a guy who is legally allowed to own a gun can lose the plot and not give a shit about the law and walk into a "gun free zone" where every normal sane person is following the laws. It's like allowing one UFC fighter to enter the cage with a knife.

[mr potatohead]

Apr 3, 2023 18:23:28 GMT lardy said:

Apr 3, 2023 18:15:13 GMT mr potatohead said:

If the goal was to actually protect children or anyone, there would not be "gun free zones".

Yep I agree, I don't think guns should be legal because i'm a numbers guy and the numbers indicate the countries where guns are banned have almost no mass shootings but that's easy for me to say living in another country with more civilized folk (just kidding) but yeah, i can't comment on gun laws over there because i'm not in that country, I do however agree with this. it seems ridiculous that a guy who is legally allowed to own a gun can lose the plot and not give a shit about the law and walk into a "gun free zone" where every normal sane person is following the laws. It's like allowing one UFC fighter to enter the cage with a knife.

Countries with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest crime rates since those who want them to commit crime will always have them.
It's 150 years+ too late to talk about eliminating guns or making them illegal.
Guns are not a problem. Wackos are the problem. Guns are just a power tool and, like any power tool, the operator is responsible for safety in use.

A citizen with a firearm, who knows how to use it, is the wackos worst nightmare, as Eli Dicken, awarded "Citizen Of The Year" recently made perfectly clear.

[mr potatohead]

Harvard Study: Banning Guns Will Decrease Crime?

The same pattern appears when comparisons of violence to gun ownership are made within nations. Indeed, “data on firearms ownership by constabulary area in England,” like data from the United States, show “a negative correlation,” that is, “where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highest.”

[saison]

Apr 3, 2023 19:36:47 GMT mr potatohead said:

Harvard Study: Banning Guns Will Decrease Crime?

The same pattern appears when comparisons of violence to gun ownership are made within nations. Indeed, “data on firearms ownership by constabulary area in England,” like data from the United States, show “a negative correlation,” that is, “where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highest.”

That's common sense. They never had any BLM Riots/Looting in cities that have stand you own ground gun laws - trespass or try to loot my property and you get shot. US cities with the strictest gun laws have the most crimes.  The lefties don't people to have he ability to protect themselves.  Look at what happened here in NYC.  They finally decided to drop the charges, but not the first time something like this has happened.

A Manhattan parking garage attendant who was shot twice while confronting an alleged thief — then wrestled the gun away and opened fire on the suspect — has been charged with attempted murder, police said.

Manhattan garage worker charged with attempted murder after shooting thief

[mr potatohead]

During the BLM/Antifa (nazi-fascists) riots, when they were threatening to go out into the country to kill, loot and burn farms and such, I heard multiple comments form random fellow rural dwellers that they were looking forward to them doing just that because ..... they needed some target practice.

[saison]

Apr 3, 2023 20:07:48 GMT mr potatohead said:

During the BLM/Antifa (nazi-fascists) riots, when they were threatening to go out into the country to kill, loot and burn farms and such, I heard multiple comments form random fellow rural dwellers that they were looking forward to them doing just that because ..... they needed some target practice.

[lardy]

Apr 3, 2023 18:53:40 GMT mr potatohead said:

Apr 3, 2023 18:23:28 GMT lardy said:

Yep I agree, I don't think guns should be legal because i'm a numbers guy and the numbers indicate the countries where guns are banned have almost no mass shootings but that's easy for me to say living in another country with more civilized folk (just kidding) but yeah, i can't comment on gun laws over there because i'm not in that country, I do however agree with this. it seems ridiculous that a guy who is legally allowed to own a gun can lose the plot and not give a shit about the law and walk into a "gun free zone" where every normal sane person is following the laws. It's like allowing one UFC fighter to enter the cage with a knife.

Countries with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest crime rates since those who want them to commit crime will always have them.
It's 150 years+ too late to talk about eliminating guns or making them illegal.
Guns are not a problem. Wackos are the problem. Guns are just a power tool and, like any power tool, the operator is responsible for safety in use.

A citizen with a firearm, who knows how to use it, is the wackos worst nightmare, as Eli Dicken, awarded "Citizen Of The Year" recently made perfectly clear.

That's a piss poor example imho, those countries are rife with crime for reasons that have nothing to do with guns. Like I said I don't particularly care for the debate on whether the USA should have guns or not because I'm not there, My concern is countless children are being slaughtered by these wackos because the "Power tools" they have available. Look to countries more similar to the USA for statistics on crimes etc without guns for a more accurate example unless the USA is filled with wackos and starving people like the list of countries in that link? Also the severity of crime is another variable we have to take into consideration such as petty theft vs homicide, I'd take a million petty thefts over a classroom of 9 year olds being shot to pieces. I know over there my view on this particular subject would be considered "leftist" but I can assure you i'm far from it regarding other issues.

I do think it is impossible to get rid of guns in the USA at this point but I also think all arguments for guns are absolute horseshit and don't stand up to modern times. That being said I agree 100% there should be no "gun free zones" because it's just stupidity. Also the idea of a hero killing the bad guy with a gun is the most American thing I hear makes me giggle some. 

[mr potatohead]

No one is going to "cure" a wacko's problems by taking guns away from law abiding citizens, m8.

[mr potatohead]

Apr 3, 2023 20:25:44 GMT lardy said:

Apr 3, 2023 18:53:40 GMT mr potatohead said:

Countries with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest crime rates since those who want them to commit crime will always have them.
It's 150 years+ too late to talk about eliminating guns or making them illegal.
Guns are not a problem. Wackos are the problem. Guns are just a power tool and, like any power tool, the operator is responsible for safety in use.

A citizen with a firearm, who knows how to use it, is the wackos worst nightmare, as Eli Dicken, awarded "Citizen Of The Year" recently made perfectly clear.

That's a piss poor example imho, those countries are rife with crime for reasons that have nothing to do with guns. Like I said I don't particularly care for the debate on whether the USA should have guns or not because I'm not there, My concern is countless children are being slaughtered by these wackos because the "Power tools" they have available. Look to countries more similar to the USA for statistics on crimes etc without guns for a more accurate example unless the USA is filled with wackos and starving people like the list of countries in that link? Also the severity of crime is another variable we have to take into consideration such as petty theft vs homicide, I'd take a million petty thefts over a classroom of 9 year olds being shot to pieces. I know over there my view on this particular subject would be considered "leftist" but I can assure you i'm far from it regarding other issues.

I do think it is impossible to get rid of guns in the USA at this point but I also think all arguments for guns are absolute horseshit and don't stand up to modern times. That being said I agree 100% there should be no "gun free zones" because it's just stupidity. Also the idea of a hero killing the bad guy with a gun is the most American thing I hear makes me giggle some. 

The "reason" for the crime is irrelevant. The data shows that guns in the hands of responsible people deter crime.

[jonrock]

Deterrence IS the determining factor in preventing an attack: if the outcome odds can strongly leave someone injured (or worse), then said someone (usually) leaves the target alone.

[lardy]

Apr 3, 2023 21:12:43 GMT jonrock said:

Deterrence IS the determining factor in preventing an attack: if the outcome odds can strongly leave someone injured (or worse), then said someone (usually) leaves the target alone.

I agree, when the level of both offense and defense is scaled down from "Power tools" to fists, objects and even blades it usually means a much lesser occurrence of death but the Deterrent is still the same.  

[BigBruvOfEnglandUK]

[lardy]

Apr 4, 2023 7:39:22 GMT BigBruvOfEnglandUK said:

Anyone suggesting more guns is a good idea is retarded, obviously it's more shields needed