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Post by stuke on Jan 1, 2022 13:48:23 GMT
As I get older, 8 know perfectly well that straightforward, linear progreasive overload is not possible, or at the very least is limited. If I want to be bigger and stronger at 48 than I was at 25 I will have to lift heavier. It's just not happening in many exercises, and to get close to those poundages causes other worrying signs, eg triggers my costochonditris or gives mecpressure headaches, twinges etc. I know it is important to keep hold of your strength as late in life as possible, but really, how much do we need? For example, I can still knock out a very clean set of 6 plus in chin ups with 50 po8nds around my waist, but surely it is more than enough to work with hust bodyweight and maybe multiple sets of 10. Do I really need to be able to squat with 265 pounds on my shoulders, or can I use 100 pounds but train smart with supersets, pauses short rests - whatever? The point is, I never really needed the level of strength I had to help me in life, 7nless for showing off hahaha, but really, for bine density, good, helful, functiinal strength, it seems more than enough to be able to use much less weight and train safer.
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Post by Mr. Pierini Fitness on Jan 1, 2022 13:55:22 GMT
It all depends on lifestyle and occupation. Based on my lifestyle and retired status, I have more strength than I’ll ever need. I could meet my needs by swinging little pink dumbbells a couple times a week.
So why do I do more?
Because I want to.
Happy New Year 2022!
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Post by captkronos on Jan 1, 2022 14:16:07 GMT
I workout for my job because those pencils ain't gonna' push themselves. I workout because basically I am vain and want to look good for as long as I can. I have some cool old dumbbells that I rarely use because I enjoy bodyweight more, or the Bullworker. I got rid of my big weight sets years ago, when during some bent rows I felt a pop in the middle of my back and something that felt like an electric shock go through my whole body. It scared the Hell out of me and, like when I was 14 and hit myself in the nuts with my nunchakus, I had a moment of realization that I was gonna' hurt myself more than it was worth. "I'm too light for heavy work"
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jan 1, 2022 18:01:58 GMT
You need enough strength (and add mobility and endurance) to be able to do whatever is important to you in the stage of life you are in.
When you get right down to it, when it comes to individual fitness, the you that does "something" will always be superior to the you that does "nothing". The you that does "too much" may very well be on the road to only do "nothing". The proper "something" level is the most important part each individual has to determine for themselves.
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Post by machinehead on Jan 1, 2022 18:20:43 GMT
I have a history of multiple physical therapist visits over the years thanks to various injuries received from sports injuries, over work, bad leverages, stupidity, etc. In one of those visits I had a conversation with the therapist on weight training and the topic turned to "how much is enough". His answer to that was "about" 50 pounds -- unless you have a profession where your performance is enhanced by limit strength (such as a professional athlete, a furniture mover, a fireman, various construction jobs, maybe a bouncer, etc.), and you're just a regular 9 - 5 desk worker, the most you'll need to concern yourself with as far as limit strength goes is about 50 pounds which is an estimate of the heaviest things you may need to pick up and move like one side of a sleeper sofa or a washing machine, moving boxes, an arm load of firewood, and the like. His opinion was if you can man handle 50 pounds for time and distance (obviously in general terms), you'll be plenty strong enough to handle any home or neighborly helping duties. Any further strength gains are for your own personal bests and visual enhancement.
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Post by gruntbrain on Jan 1, 2022 19:22:08 GMT
You can never be too rich or too strong
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Post by stuke on Jan 1, 2022 20:14:38 GMT
I have a history of multiple physical therapist visits over the years thanks to various injuries received from sports injuries, over work, bad leverages, stupidity, etc. In one of those visits I had a conversation with the therapist on weight training and the topic turned to "how much is enough". His answer to that was "about" 50 pounds -- unless you have a profession where your performance is enhanced by limit strength (such as a professional athlete, a furniture mover, a fireman, various construction jobs, maybe a bouncer, etc.), and you're just a regular 9 - 5 desk worker, the most you'll need to concern yourself with as far as limit strength goes is about 50 pounds which is an estimate of the heaviest things you may need to pick up and move like one side of a sleeper sofa or a washing machine, moving boxes, an arm load of firewood, and the like. His opinion was if you can man handle 50 pounds for time and distance (obviously in general terms), you'll be plenty strong enough to handle any home or neighborly helping duties. Any further strength gains are for your own personal bests and visual enhancement. That makes good sense to me. I have always enjoyed lifting heavy (for me) but you just cant keep upping the weight indefinitely. I like to do low reps with heavy weight quite often, but I sometimes think, to what end? I think it is probably enough to lift heavy some of the time, but cautiously and not too often. I find myself using lighter weights a lot too, but concentrating on feel, technique and reducing momentum. What Pierini said in one of his posts about pull ups, for example, was bang on - there is some reflex at the bottom of a pull up that allows you some assistance on the way back up, I am not talking about bouncing or dropping into the bottom poaition, but even when using normal to slow rep speed, it is there, but by pausing for a couple of seconds, you can get a good workout without needing to add as much weight etc, yiu just remove that little bit of naturql assistance. Just an example there, but the same sort of thing can be done with other exercises of course. The other day I was doing partial rep deqdlifts or rack deadlifts and even though it was only between 350 to 400 pounds, far less than the 500 pounds I used when younger, it felt off, the pressure in my head, the costochonditris, site of a repaired hernia etc, I thought, the muscles can handle it generally, but other parts dont approve, and surely doing shrugs or even partial deadlifts with much less can still allow me to have plenty of everyday strength without needing to puah it. I cant imagine I will ever lose the desure to lift heavy, but it is not the main method I use anymore.
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Post by stuke on Jan 1, 2022 20:16:35 GMT
I workout for my job because those pencils ain't gonna' push themselves. I workout because basically I am vain and want to look good for as long as I can. I have some cool old dumbbells that I rarely use because I enjoy bodyweight more, or the Bullworker. I got rid of my big weight sets years ago, when during some bent rows I felt a pop in the middle of my back and something that felt like an electric shock go through my whole body. It scared the Hell out of me and, like when I was 14 and hit myself in the nuts with my nunchakus, I had a moment of realization that I was gonna' hurt myself more than it was worth. "I'm too light for heavy work" Yeah exactly, and you workout without the real heavy stuff and I am sure you work hard and benefit from it, so they are not absolutely necessary to be strong, healthy and look good.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jan 1, 2022 21:47:00 GMT
I believe the OSHA standard is anything above 70 lbs is supposed to be picked by more than one person or with an assisting device. That being said, OSHA does not specify maximum work time. I've heard many people who thought they were in shape say they were humbled doing seasonal work for USPS, Fedex, or UPS at holiday time moving boxes around for 8 hours.
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Post by gruntbrain on Jan 1, 2022 22:14:47 GMT
To prevent bone density problems, we elders should frequently lift and carry moderately heavy objects .
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Post by Mr. Pierini Fitness on Jan 1, 2022 22:38:17 GMT
I remember having a summer job when I was 16-years old that required me to unload 100-lb. sacks of flour off a wooden pallet and dump it into a processing bin that was used to make cake mix. At first I thought, wow that's heavy and it's going to be hard. It wasn't because the distance was probably less than 2 feet and I made sure that my form and movement was correct. I don't know how many pallets I did in a 4-hour shift but a lot and never had any problem or fatigue.
Respect to the UPS/Fed Express drivers who do what they do. I live in a small town and our community is a high-volume user of them for mail orders rather than driving 40-50 miles to the nearby larger city. They probably delivered stuff to us over 20 times in December with extra Christmas gift shopping orders.
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Post by Magnus on Jan 2, 2022 1:10:23 GMT
As I get older, 8 know perfectly well that straightforward, linear progreasive overload is not possible, or at the very least is limited. If I want to be bigger and stronger at 48 than I was at 25 I will have to lift heavier. It's just not happening in many exercises, and to get close to those poundages causes other worrying signs, eg triggers my costochonditris or gives mecpressure headaches, twinges etc. I know it is important to keep hold of your strength as late in life as possible, but really, how much do we need? For example, I can still knock out a very clean set of 6 plus in chin ups with 50 po8nds around my waist, but surely it is more than enough to work with hust bodyweight and maybe multiple sets of 10. Do I really need to be able to squat with 265 pounds on my shoulders, or can I use 100 pounds but train smart with supersets, pauses short rests - whatever? The point is, I never really needed the level of strength I had to help me in life, 7nless for showing off hahaha, but really, for bine density, good, helful, functiinal strength, it seems more than enough to be able to use much less weight and train safer. I pretty much gave up the 'heavy' barbell stuff because I feel it was doing unneccessary damage to my joints, and switched over to primarily maces and clubs, with some kettlebell, Bullworker, power twister, and moderate dumbbell work here and there. I also play around with resistance bands and when the weather's nice I set up the 'Battling Ropes' outside and also carry my Titan Fitness Husafell Stone replica around the yard. If the 'heavy' bug bites I do single arm deadlifts with a loading pin and ring handle or I might set up my trap bar, but it's been awhile since doing that. In all honesty I might not be able to bench or overhead press what I used to, but for everything else out in the 'real world' that requires some 'oomph' behind it I think I might be even stronger than I used to be (?)... One things for sure, my elbows and shoulders don't ache all the time like they used to, and I don't have an issue with Carpal tunnel syndrome anymore either.
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Post by Mr. Pierini Fitness on Jan 2, 2022 1:35:05 GMT
If you like the feel of lifting heavy with barbells, for example, do pauses with lighter loads at the top and bottom, similar to what I'm doing with pull-ups.
I remember once when doing barbell OHP work back in the day, I pressed 135 lbs. overhead and held it for 60 seconds. That was quite a set. Never did an extended pause from the rack, though, which would be harder.
I've started doing Steve Justa's singles protocol with my limited KB selection and will probably incorporate pauses with my singles as I progress.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jan 2, 2022 4:32:04 GMT
The heaviest exercise/lifting tool that I have is my DIY KB-like tool that is pictured in the Isotonics section of Grunt & Shen's. It weighs 110# with the 10# plastic covered plate that sits atop the wheel weights (@ 50# each), captured by the handle/assembly ropes.
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Post by Mr. Pierini Fitness on Jan 2, 2022 5:02:07 GMT
The heaviest exercise/lifting tool that I have is my DIY KB-like tool that is pictured in the Isotonics section of Grunt & Shen's. It weighs 110# with the 10# plastic covered plate that sits atop the wheel weights (@ 50# each), captured by the handle/assembly ropes. That's heavy! Do you do Bud Jeffries' style swings with it? I've done double 24kg KB swings and that's hard for me. Had the bright idea that I could complete a 10 x 10 workout but I believe I threw in the towel after 7 rounds.
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