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Post by macky on Jun 2, 2020 6:49:42 GMT
Okay that looks like good information. So where are we with Trump and his chronic lying ?
And by implication my belief that he is sociopathic ?
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 9:44:16 GMT
Okay that looks like good information. So where are we with Trump and his chronic lying ? And by implication my belief that he is sociopathic ? Macky, You pretty much nailed it: your "belief" -- a belief based on biased information. The world knows you can take information, present it is as facts and it becomes a belief system. Religion, politics thrive on it. Just because it is in print or on your screen does not mean it is "fact". It is done in finance: Ponzi schemes. Profitablity sheets. As long as the basis for your argument is bad and/or biased information, your claim that Trump is lying is simply that: a claim. A belief. |
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 10:15:07 GMT
And let me point something out that your esteemed sources screwed up regarding COVID-19 based on facts:
1. China was aware of COVID-19 in Wuhan, China, weeks before the outbreak was reported to the World Health Organization on Dec. 31, 2019.
2. The WHO sat on this information for a MONTH before declaring a public health emergency.
3. January 31: the US Government announced the travel ban from China.
When Trump announced the travel ban, liberal/left wing media outlets in the US immediate went after Trump and began calling him xenophobic. (Pretty common bull$hit for these companies -- they've been using this hype since Trump declared he's shutting down the destruction of the US border with the flood of illegals, which includes the Cartels running drugs and human trafficking and the rise in kidnapping in south Texas, Arizona and California.)
What came first -- the rhetoric anti-Trump politicians such as Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Alexandria Cortez calling Trump (and the supporters of the travel ban) xenophobic or the media? Based on my recollection, it was Pelosi, et al., and then US media picked up and reported the biased rhetoric as if it were fact. Pelosi stated on January 31 "The Trump Administration’s expansion of its outrageous, un-American travel ban threatens our security, our values and the rule of law." (BS -- same woman who was being glorified on US TV with two refridgerators worth $30,000, living in a mulit-million $$$ mansion (one of two or three) loaded with $30/quart ice cream while Americans were losing their jobs due to the hysteria regarding COVID created by the US media. And blocks away from her home, the streets are loaded with homeless, drug needles and feces throughout the streets. You NEVER hear the Post, et al, attacking any of that.)
And guess what? Trump was right to invoke the travel ban. Imagine if he'd done it sooner based on earlier intelligence reports? OMG -- your sources would have gone crazy.
Another fact you're clearly ignoring or unaware of: the media reports unchecked attacks, claims, lies via from the politicians I named (and others). Trump discussed the potential benefits of hydroxychloroquine and a Z-pack in combatting COVID-19 with patients based on results in the US, Europe. Immediately criticized by US Democrat politicians, reported unchecked in the Washington Post, CNN, etc.
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Post by moxohol on Jun 2, 2020 15:33:21 GMT
And let me point something out that your esteemed sources screwed up regarding COVID-19 based on facts: 1. China was aware of COVID-19 in Wuhan, China, weeks before the outbreak was reported to the World Health Organization on Dec. 31, 2019. 2. The WHO sat on this information for a MONTH before declaring a public health emergency. 3. January 31: the US Government announced the travel ban from China. When Trump announced the travel ban, liberal/left wing media outlets in the US immediate went after Trump and began calling him xenophobic. (Pretty common bull$hit for these companies -- they've been using this hype since Trump declared he's shutting down the destruction of the US border with the flood of illegals, which includes the Cartels running drugs and human trafficking and the rise in kidnapping in south Texas, Arizona and California.) What came first -- the rhetoric anti-Trump politicians such as Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Alexandria Cortez calling Trump (and the supporters of the travel ban) xenophobic or the media? Based on my recollection, it was Pelosi, et al., and then US media picked up and reported the biased rhetoric as if it were fact. Pelosi stated on January 31 "The Trump Administration’s expansion of its outrageous, un-American travel ban threatens our security, our values and the rule of law." (BS -- same woman who was being glorified on US TV with two refridgerators worth $30,000, living in a mulit-million $$$ mansion (one of two or three) loaded with $30/quart ice cream while Americans were losing their jobs due to the hysteria regarding COVID created by the US media. And blocks away from her home, the streets are loaded with homeless, drug needles and feces throughout the streets. You NEVER hear the Post, et al, attacking any of that.) And guess what? Trump was right to invoke the travel ban. Imagine if he'd done it sooner based on earlier intelligence reports? OMG -- your sources would have gone crazy. Another fact you're clearly ignoring or unaware of: the media reports unchecked attacks, claims, lies via from the politicians I named (and others). Trump discussed the potential benefits of hydroxychloroquine and a Z-pack in combatting COVID-19 with patients based on results in the US, Europe. Immediately criticized by US Democrat politicians, reported unchecked in the Washington Post, CNN, etc. 100% correct about the media & Pelosi rebuking Trump for Xenophobia. Downplaying the alarm & then projecting onto Trump when the MSM & radicals move the goal posts. |
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Post by macky on Jun 2, 2020 19:36:26 GMT
Okay that looks like good information. So where are we with Trump and his chronic lying ? And by implication my belief that he is sociopathic ? Macky, You pretty much nailed it: your "belief" -- a belief based on biased information. The world knows you can take information, present it is as facts and it becomes a belief system. Religion, politics thrive on it. Just because it is in print or on your screen does not mean it is "fact". It is done in finance: Ponzi schemes. Profitablity sheets. As long as the basis for your argument is bad and/or biased information, your claim that Trump is lying is simply that: a claim. A belief. Well of course it is a belief. I'm not qualified to diagnose someone's possible mental illness. And by the way, my belief is based on other sources from psychologists as well, not only on newspaper commentaries, no matter what leaning they are. It's all very simple. Does Trump chronically lie or not. All reports I've seen (not only left newspapers as well as right commentators) say he does, and there are summaries of that lying. Chronic liars are not to be trusted. Got it ? |
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Post by macky on Jun 2, 2020 19:42:58 GMT
And let me point something out that your esteemed sources screwed up regarding COVID-19 based on facts: 1. China was aware of COVID-19 in Wuhan, China, weeks before the outbreak was reported to the World Health Organization on Dec. 31, 2019. 2. The WHO sat on this information for a MONTH before declaring a public health emergency. 3. January 31: the US Government announced the travel ban from China. When Trump announced the travel ban, liberal/left wing media outlets in the US immediate went after Trump and began calling him xenophobic. (Pretty common bull$hit for these companies -- they've been using this hype since Trump declared he's shutting down the destruction of the US border with the flood of illegals, which includes the Cartels running drugs and human trafficking and the rise in kidnapping in south Texas, Arizona and California.) What came first -- the rhetoric anti-Trump politicians such as Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Alexandria Cortez calling Trump (and the supporters of the travel ban) xenophobic or the media? Based on my recollection, it was Pelosi, et al., and then US media picked up and reported the biased rhetoric as if it were fact. Pelosi stated on January 31 "The Trump Administration’s expansion of its outrageous, un-American travel ban threatens our security, our values and the rule of law." (BS -- same woman who was being glorified on US TV with two refridgerators worth $30,000, living in a mulit-million $$$ mansion (one of two or three) loaded with $30/quart ice cream while Americans were losing their jobs due to the hysteria regarding COVID created by the US media. And blocks away from her home, the streets are loaded with homeless, drug needles and feces throughout the streets. You NEVER hear the Post, et al, attacking any of that.) And guess what? Trump was right to invoke the travel ban. Imagine if he'd done it sooner based on earlier intelligence reports? OMG -- your sources would have gone crazy. Another fact you're clearly ignoring or unaware of: the media reports unchecked attacks, claims, lies via from the politicians I named (and others). Trump discussed the potential benefits of hydroxychloroquine and a Z-pack in combatting COVID-19 with patients based on results in the US, Europe. Immediately criticized by US Democrat politicians, reported unchecked in the Washington Post, CNN, etc. You're getting way ahead of yourself TR. Posting all this information which has got nothing to do with my plain simple assertion that Trump is a chronic liar via all sorts of sources that virtually say he is, my belief that he is possibly sociopathic, and that chronic liars cannot be trusted. What the fuck are you on about China and the WHO etc etc etc .? Even if you are right on those things, which I believe you are anyway. I'm not talking about all that. I am making statements re a personal trait of Trump's. You said you were not an apologist for Trump. I think you are, with all the carry-on you're posting, which has got very little to do with what I'm saying. |
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 2, 2020 20:06:28 GMT
If Trump is lying every day, it should be pretty easy to quote some with date, time and source?
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Post by macky on Jun 2, 2020 20:09:21 GMT
I don't have to, mikey.
On the other thread :
TR
"Further, you are 100% incorrect with regards to Trump being a chronic liar."
That's all I wanted to hear.
Chronic liars are not to be trusted.
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 20:17:02 GMT
Macky,
See, this is why you need to just drop the Trump is a chronic liar bullshit -- because you don't understand even .01% of what is happening in the US with media, the Democratic party and how all of this ties together. Not any more than I could 100% claim to know what is happening with politics in your country.
First, its easy to armchair diagnose Trump from New Zealand and go on the claims of some random people you happen to agree with on TV or in the media whether it be a psychiatrist of whatever. Trump's got a HUGE ego...yes. Trump's the definition of a Type A personality...yes. Trump's been hugely successful, building his father's business by 10x...yes. Womanizer? Yes. Unwilling to admit to failures? Yes...because his type won't accept failure and he actually dug himself out of debt and paid back loans ahead of time. But agreeing with a TV shrink because he's saying what you want to hear doesn't make it right.
And, as I pointed out: you are 100% wrong regarding Trump being a chronic liar. First, citing biased sources as legitimate references invalidates any claim regarding his lying. Second, I've shared multiple FACTS that Trump has stated regarding China, etc. Its hard to be a chronic liar if you're stating truths and facts, isn't it?
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 20:20:06 GMT
If Trump is lying every day, it should be pretty easy to quote some with date, time and source? The problem is, the definition of "chronic" is "constantly recurring". So, Macky's wrong. I've cited multiple instances where Trump was factually correct. He can't be a chronic liar if there are multiple examples of Trump correct...doesn't work that way. |
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Post by macky on Jun 2, 2020 22:35:51 GMT
Once again you come across with these illogical deductions which have no foundation in truth TR.
It's perfectly logical for someone to chronically tell the truth and chronically lie in the course of the day.
By your increasing use of language and illogical statements, you're a Trump Apologist all right.
No question.
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 23:00:00 GMT
Once again you come across with these illogical deductions which have no foundation in truth TR. It's perfectly logical for someone to chronically tell the truth and chronically lie in the course of the day. By your increasing use of language and illogical statements, you're a Trump Apologist all right. No question. Macky, The sad thing is, a few people on this site have agreed with what I've posted. The funny thing is, a few years ago I pointed out a few things about New Zealand while you were busy slamming the US on some other topic -- think this was on Bruv's board. YOU wrote one of your extremely long responses trying to explain to me how I had no knowledge of what happened or was happening in NZ on this particular topic, my information was from the web, things were more complicated than my understanding and so on. Yet you're down NZ claiming to be the know all with regards to Trump, COVID-19 in the US all the while citing bogus references which have little credibility yet you state I'm the one coming to "illogical deducations". Interesting -- so you're the using bad and biased information to form nothing more than opinion and thinking that allows you to stand not only on a soapbox but accuse me of being a Trump Apologist? |
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Post by jrmeatplow on Jun 3, 2020 0:46:23 GMT
I personally love Trumps ego, and him going against everyone. Name one of our former presidents that haven't lied. Clinton, Bush, and Obama....Trump don't hold a candle to these 3 bitches.
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Post by jrmeatplow on Jun 3, 2020 0:48:39 GMT
I can't wait to pull the lever for Trump again!
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Post by macky on Jun 3, 2020 1:14:15 GMT
Once again you come across with these illogical deductions which have no foundation in truth TR. It's perfectly logical for someone to chronically tell the truth and chronically lie in the course of the day. By your increasing use of language and illogical statements, you're a Trump Apologist all right. No question. Macky, The sad thing is, a few people on this site have agreed with what I've posted. The funny thing is, a few years ago I pointed out a few things about New Zealand while you were busy slamming the US on some other topic -- think this was on Bruv's board. YOU wrote one of your extremely long responses trying to explain to me how I had no knowledge of what happened or was happening in NZ on this particular topic, my information was from the web, things were more complicated than my understanding and so on. Yet you're down NZ claiming to be the know all with regards to Trump, COVID-19 in the US all the while citing bogus references which have little credibility yet you state I'm the one coming to "illogical deducations". Interesting -- so you're the using bad and biased information to form nothing more than opinion and thinking that allows you to stand not only on a soapbox but accuse me of being a Trump Apologist? The reason why they have agreed is because they are Trump supporters. No question about that. Just about everyone here that posts on a reasonably regular basis is a Trump supporter. And hey, that's okay. You gotta do what you think right. That's the bit about democracy which is still in place. " The funny thing is, a few years ago I pointed out a few things about New Zealand while you were busy slamming the US on some other topic -- think this was on Bruv's board. YOU wrote one of your extremely long responses trying to explain to me how I had no knowledge of what happened or was happening in NZ on this particular topic, my information was from the web, things were more complicated than my understanding and so on." That is a blatant lie. In response to something I said about America you responded with the atrocities that have happened in NZ, and I said "sure let me know because as a Maori Land researcher that will help me in my various cases I bring to the Maori Land Court. You never served up a single case to me. Very disappointing. I don't mind one bit any criticism of NZ as long as it has some decent evidence, sadly lacking on your part, I'm afraid. And your above statement "slamming the US" is another blatant exaggeration. I had responded to one of your frequent assertions re the United States that were simply not true. From memory, I think that was the occasion where we had one of our Big Three debates (as against a few smaller ones) where I took you up on your assertion that Eugenics was never big in the US, only a small following. As usual, I supplied evidence of 20 states where racial differences were written into law, the American Eugenics society and their connections with Nazi Germany, and a long list of academic advisors to the society. And of course the academic courses in universities on Eugenics. Not to mention the South, it was big in America then, and there are obviously some neo-nazis still around, from what I've seen. In fact I went toe-to-toe with one of them on Skeptoid, proving not only his nazi hatred of Jews, debunking his Holocaust denial spiel, and proving his fraudulent site. I also provided evidence to you on our 9-11 debates, once when you were posting as Whole Foods on the old AMM site, and again when you had changed your moniker on the new AMM II. You never once responded to anything I posted as evidence, except to simply repeat the Official Story, and your leaps of logic at times were astounding. Why don't you tell the truth ? There is also the time when you asserted that no nazi war criminals were involved in the American space program. What  !!! There were heaps, albeit most not convicted because they were whisked away under Operation Paperclip. The discussion ended on your part as usual, when I posted a convicted war criminal that worked for the American space program. "Yet you're down NZ claiming to be the know all with regards to Trump, COVID-19 in the US...." More bullshit TR. I've never said anything of the kind, nor have I made any claim like that. You're getting yourself all tied up again, I can see. |
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!!! There were heaps, albeit most not convicted because they were whisked away under Operation Paperclip. The discussion ended on your part as usual, when I posted a convicted war criminal that worked for the American space program. 
