captkronos
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Post by captkronos on Mar 10, 2020 11:07:16 GMT
These were thousands when they first came out, but now you can get them for well under $100 online. I've just ordered one and looking forward to trying it. Anyone who ever actually used the Shakeweight knows they very quickly exhausted the arm muscles, these platforms should theoretically do the same for the whole body. There does seem to be clear evidence of their effectiveness for building strength, and they were used by "Russian cosmonauts" to prevent loss of muscle. I am planning a Kin-Shi-Hai-Do type routine while the platform rattles me bones.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 10, 2020 19:15:47 GMT
Captkronos - the maestro of off-the-wall fitness gadgets. We'd all be unaware of these unique items if it weren't for you. Still using your shake weight?
Link?
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Post by chanduthemagician on Mar 10, 2020 20:02:43 GMT
I truly don't understand how these work. I mean I get it in principle, but the plate has a very short length of movement right? I mean it's not like a BOSU or something like that. It's a much faster motion, but very short is my thinking. IMO so fast and so short that the body doesn't even have to do anything to stabilize itself. (I say that as a complete theorist, so I look forward to your review) Update: Amplitude, that's the word I wanted not length of movement. It's tiny 2mm These look like the heavy duty made in der US-en-of-A models This is the "cheapie" vibeplate.com/product/vibeplate-2424/And of course, JP's buddy sells one www.jaquishbiomedical.com/gh-accelerator/ his is made by vibeplate too.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 10, 2020 20:47:03 GMT
Yup.
"Boost Growth Hormone Naturally"
Wherever you see hormone boosting, JP's near by.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 10, 2020 20:52:39 GMT
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Post by Michael on Mar 10, 2020 22:43:50 GMT
Yup. "Boost Growth Hormone Naturally" Wherever you see hormone boosting, JP's near by. Be careful and don't turn Your back.
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Post by captkronos on Mar 11, 2020 3:01:06 GMT
A quick 15 minute experimental session...the degree you bend your knees greatly impacts the effect of the machine. A slight bend, almost standing straight up will shake the entire lower body and lower trunk. The upper body/arms don't really get much in my opinion. I could do the Shakeweight simultaneously for a laugh. For a guy who hates leg exercises this might be a solution. It also might shake loose a kidney stone on the other hand...
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Post by MBS on Mar 11, 2020 3:16:21 GMT
These were thousands when they first came out, but now you can get them for well under $100 online. I've just ordered one and looking forward to trying it. Anyone who ever actually used the Shakeweight knows they very quickly exhausted the arm muscles, these platforms should theoretically do the same for the whole body. There does seem to be clear evidence of their effectiveness for building strength, and they were used by "Russian cosmonauts" to prevent loss of muscle. I am planning a Kin-Shi-Hai-Do type routine while the platform rattles me bones. Captkronos, Are you still doing the Tabata protocol with your Shakeweight?
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Post by macky on Mar 11, 2020 6:59:03 GMT
Well it's one thing to use a shake-weight, quite another to stand on a vibrating platform. As someone who has used concrete vibrators to increase the density and strength of the concrete in the days when I was building telephone cable-jointing manholes, I would use extreme caution when using a vibrating platform.
At least restrict the time you are standing on the device, especially with your whole body's skeletal structure rattling away, as you may find your bones consolidating into far stronger supports, but getting out of bed in the morning to find yourself two inches shorter than the day before could be embarrassing when you turn up at work with your cuffed trousers completely covering your shoes.
Not a good look.
Frequency is another important consideration. A vibrating platform that is resonating at 7hz or multiples thereof can be injurious to the internal organs, as a fatal experiment found out some time back, when a large whistle was mechanically blown at 7hz and the accompanying technician dropped dead. The autopsy revealed that his internal organs had been jellied. There could however have a bright ending to this sad event as the platform could be used as a cake ingredient mixer, Betty Crocker herself often suspected of using a vibe-platform for her recipes.
Too high a frequency in the shortwave band, and you may find yourself picking up numbers stations, often used by spy agencies sending coded messages via one-time pads to their operatives in the field.
In short, be careful. Keep your mouth firmly closed when exercising with a vibrating platform. We don't want you ending up with a speech impediment, mon Capitaine.
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Post by captkronos on Mar 11, 2020 11:50:08 GMT
I just did 15 minutes. I do think it could be injurious to the internal organs if not used correctly. Keeping the knees bent nearly eliminates the shaking of the upper body. I then did a few super-slow pushups with my hands on the platform. That made a believer out of me, I think a simple alternating routine of bent knee standing and iso-hold pushups would be a good test. If you have any flab, this thing will definitely expose it.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Mar 11, 2020 14:19:57 GMT
From the reading I've done most are 30hz or 60hz. I would think at a high enough frequency you won't even feel it. Jaquish mentions the importance of 30hz. I don't know if there is any science behind this or not. Seems dubious to me that vibrations are going to release hormones. I'm far from an expert though. Would be interesting to find a published study.
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Post by fredhutch on Mar 11, 2020 15:24:18 GMT
Two of Katsuzo Nishi's exercises involve shaking the body and legs, back in the 1930's he designed a machine that had you lie on your back and the machine would shake your legs for you. He said this improved circulation and that it gave similar benefits to running without all the attendant pounding. Nishi is interesting because he said, as a trained engineer, that the standard theory of Harvey that the heart was a pump was actually physically impossible, that blood circulation was more dependent on capillary action. As far as I know Harvey's theory is still standard but that doesn't mean it's true.
Nishi's exercises, I believe, are still found in some aikido dojo as he was involved in that and influenced them. His book in English, "Nishi System of Health Engineering" was published in the 1930's and details the exercises which are quite simple. Nishi visited the US in the 1930's and promoted the exercises widely in the US and Japan. Sad to see how just a few years later, the Americans and the Japanese, who had traditionally been friendly toward each other, were busy blowing each other to pieces. In Japan the Nishi exercises are said to cure cancer, Mikhail Tombak has popularized them in Russian and Poland for this same purpose. Tombak says these exercises are not as racy looking as a roomful of high tech gadgets but they work. I've done them every day for about ten years as a preventative and so far so good. Of course if you were to say in the US that you could cure cancer with exercises the AMA would find a way to send you to the gray bar hotel, or maybe you'd have an "accident"...
Hey Macky! Speaking of making organs disintegrate, can you do kiaijutsu? BANZAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 11, 2020 15:54:10 GMT
I've tried those vibrating platforms. I enjoyed the feeling. If I had one, I could dial in the frequency that feels best at the time. I may buy one now that they're so cheap .......?
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Post by macky on Mar 11, 2020 19:25:07 GMT
I had my nervous system rattled for years by a step-father that used to shout from a few feet away as loud as he could, whenever he lost his cool, which was often. That all stopped when at the magnificent age of 14 I asked him outside to settle things in a different way.
At the last, everything is vibration. And if the natural frequency of an object/whatever is broadcast with sufficient volume, said object will disintegrate, as the opera singer and the wine-glass shattering has demonstrated so often.
I am perfectly at home (without any expertise in the matter) with the concept of vibrationary medicine curing cancer and other maladies. The trick would be to discover the cancer's natural frequency then broadcast into the body at the "volume" required in order to disorganize the cancer cells and stop their reproduction.
The 7hz I mentioned above in the spirit of fun, is actually true. The incident was related to an executive feeling constantly unwell in his office, trying out all sorts of things to find out what the problem was, then leaning against his office wall. The wall was vibrating at an obviously unsettling frequency and the culprit was found to be (I think) the ventilation system in the building across the street. An unfortunate ongoing experiment with frequency resulted in the death of an attending technician of some kind of mechanicially operated whistle. His organs were found to be jellified. At 7hz, the sound would not have been heard, but felt, the lower register of human hearing I think about 16hz.
I spoke to a radio technician setting up the system in a new fire station we were installing phones in, back in 1981 and he said that even radio frequencies at 7hz and relevant harmonics were dangerous.
Check on your car or home radio both in the AM and FM bands and you can see that the preset switch progresses the frequencies in increments of X9, not 7. Even using the usual dial, radio stations do not tune in at X7 frequencies. That's at least what I've found here in NZ, whether what the radio tech said was true or not.
The investigation of the Schumann resonance and its relation to living things is worthwhile if one is interested.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 11, 2020 20:01:21 GMT
My wife's vibrator definitely boosts hormones.
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