Vibration Platform

[macky]

I hope you don't find yourself "relegated to the toolshed", so to speak, Bruce. 

[Dave Reslo]

Vibration platforms are the ideal tool to get bus driver ripped

[fredhutch]

Macky, I believe the Schuman resonance is the theoretical underpinning for the breath used in Mazdaznan and Caucasian Yoga, both systems have you inhale for seven seconds, hold for one, exhale for seven seconds, hold empty for one. They both say this is the "heartbeat" as it were of the earth, and say that as this breath becomes habitual in the practicioner, mastery is achieved. Allan Pittman says that the Schuman resonance has slowed down somewhat in recent history and advocates 1-8-1-8 as the proper breath ratio.

[macky]

Mar 12, 2020 13:55:17 GMT fredhutch said:

Macky, I believe the Schuman resonance is the theoretical underpinning for the breath used in Mazdaznan and Caucasian Yoga, both systems have you inhale for seven seconds, hold for one, exhale for seven seconds, hold empty for one. They both say this is the "heartbeat" as it were of the earth, and say that as this breath becomes habitual in the practicioner, mastery is achieved. Allan Pittman says that the Schuman resonance has slowed down somewhat in recent history and advocates 1-8-1-8 as the proper breath ratio.

We are all EM-driven life-forms dwelling in a cavity which is continuously excited by lightning strikes every second, somewhere on the planet.  This sets up wave forms that travel the Globe and which our brains (for one) resonate in harmony with.  The space station at its orbital altitude is still within this cavity. 

Along with temperature, water, gravity etc, the Schumann resonance is part of our natural environment and I would speculate that it is a problem for space travel outside this protective cavity.

The Moon trips were only for a short time.   From what little I know about them, the astronauts demonstrated quite a difference in their strength and well-being on returning.  

The natural frequency of one at standing position is around 7.5hz.  The fundamental Earth's EM frequency is 7.83hz, from what little I've read about the subject. 

Physical vibration frequencies are known to provide different effects according to their frequency and amplitude, even different shapes of sand etc on a vibrating plate according to the frequency.  

Forty five years ago, after using the concrete vibrators for only a few minutes I would have a sick feeling in the gut.  Others I have worked with/next to/watched had trouble with pneumatic drills etc.  We've already discussed the physical vibrations that made the office worker unwell and the tech drop dead, and the literature on the NET re vibrating exercise machines is extensive in its concerns about the vibrations of exercise machines far outweighing their benefits.

Some of these concerns include possible cartilage damage, blurred vision (after the exercise), lower back pain and even brain damage. 

Whether any of it is true or not, the reason why the vibrating platforms are so cheap may be due to the concerns of trainers who are worried they are damaging their bodies, and have ditched their wonder-exercisers.

Personally, I wouldn't even bother to take the risk given all the other exercise protocols that have proven to be beneficial, and I would respectfully caution our Capitaine to be very careful.

There ARE some medical conditions where vibrating exercise machines are not recommended, at all.       

    

[Dave Reslo]

Mar 12, 2020 13:55:17 GMT fredhutch said:

the Schuman resonance is the theoretical underpinning for the breath used in Mazdaznan and Caucasian Yoga, both systems have you inhale for seven seconds, hold for one, exhale for seven seconds, hold empty for one. 

How the hell could that be linked to something happening 7.8 times per second?

[mr potatohead]

Mar 13, 2020 1:41:32 GMT macky said:

..... Forty five years ago, after using the concrete vibrators for only a few minutes I would have a sick feeling in the gut.  Others I have worked with/next to/watched had trouble with pneumatic drills etc.  We've already discussed the physical vibrations that made the office worker unwell and the tech drop dead, and the literature on the NET re vibrating exercise machines is extensive in its concerns about the vibrations of exercise machines far outweighing their benefits. .....

    

I'm convinced. Forget what I said earlier about buying one.

[macky]

Mar 13, 2020 4:55:05 GMT mr potatohead said:

Mar 13, 2020 1:41:32 GMT macky said:

..... Forty five years ago, after using the concrete vibrators for only a few minutes I would have a sick feeling in the gut.  Others I have worked with/next to/watched had trouble with pneumatic drills etc.  We've already discussed the physical vibrations that made the office worker unwell and the tech drop dead, and the literature on the NET re vibrating exercise machines is extensive in its concerns about the vibrations of exercise machines far outweighing their benefits. .....

    

I'm convinced. Forget what I said earlier about buying one.

Good for you mikey.   I thought about all the different exercise protocols I've done in my life, including various forms of chi kung, and I can never remember using anything that mechanically vibrated any part (or whole) of my body.  All right, I'm not the most experienced trainer here, but I've never heard of anything like that being discussed here in the past, either. 

On more reflection, the whole concept seems strange.  Most protocols over the last thousand years are performed in today's training, only with refinements e.g. the barbell not the rocks and animals, tree trunks etc.  Running, calisthenics, isometrics, strandpulling (longbow archery), and especially chi kung of various forms.

Nowhere is there any vibrating devices in sight. The danger in my opinion is the prime frequency AND the harmonics. What's to say you don't fracture an ankle after standing for too long on a vibe-platform, your mind on the TV program ?  What are the vibrations doing to your blood ?  Curdling it ?

And is there anything in the vibe-platform instructions either in the booklet or on the packet say anything about the above,  re cautions, frequencies to avoid, duration of "workout" etc ? 

[Dave Reslo]

Here's one study:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3688642/
For a given frequency, transmissibility was independent of intensity when below 1g. Transmissibility declined non-linearly with increasing frequency. Depending on the WBV device, vibration ranged from levels considered safe by ISO-2631 for up to eight hours each day (0.3gp-p @ 30Hz), to levels that were seven times higher than what is considered a safe threshold for even one minute of exposure each day (15.1g p-p @ 30Hz). Transmissibility to the cranium was markedly attenuated by the degree of flexion in the knees.

[Dave Reslo]

It's been quite a few years and you would think by now if there was a risk of injury people would have found out, but then again I imagine most people who would pay $500+ for a wobbling machine aren't actually mad keen on fitness anyway.

[macky]

That would be a fair statement, Dave. In which case the novelty would probably soon wear off and the vibe machine resided in the bedroom cupboard thereafter.

Re injuries,  there may be many cases of minor injury that were attributed to other causes,  but accentuated by the vibrating. They may not have been reported, the trainers simply stopped using the machine. Just speculation.  Apparently some trainers reported headaches from using vibrating exercisers.   

[mrdave100]

The chiropractor I used to go to had them and it always felt great.   If they are really as cheap as you say, I may look into getting one

[Bruce Tackett]

Look to nature. We have muscle for a purpose. The more that muscle is challenged, the stronger it becomes. Does nature provide vibrations to enhance this process?

[mr potatohead]

Mar 14, 2020 18:30:32 GMT Bruce Tackett said:

Look to nature. We have muscle for a purpose. The more that muscle is challenged, the stronger it becomes.
Does nature provide vibrations to enhance this process?

Not sure that anyone will know what nature's intentions are.

[mrdave100]

No, but we all know what our natural intentions are

[fredhutch]

I wonder if using a rebounder is similar to the effect of the vibration machine?