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Post by billfish on Jun 9, 2019 17:51:32 GMT
Despite some gains when I was weight training back some time ago (30+ years), from a building muscle point of view (arms) the best development I ever achieved with the biceps especially (and in general, upper body) was with pullups, and the best triceps with parallel bar dips. Same here macky.....although I was doing and still do them on rings
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 9, 2019 17:56:26 GMT
The question to isometric gurus. Can isometrics create progressive resistance/tension if you train regularly? I had proven with my 12 week isometric experiment of a year and a half ago that isometrics do build strength. However, I lost size. Silverlooks says that he has built size comparable to lifting weights with the 30-30-30 isometric protocol. I don't think I have the patience to do that. If I'm going to put in that kind of effort, I might as well spend that amount of time pumping iron and THE HOOK, knowing that doing so produces maximal results.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 9, 2019 18:03:31 GMT
Bruce. I really enjoyed your conprehensive account of swlf resistance, in fact I was reading it only yesterday. You spoke very highly of it and seemed to gain well. Somehow, years ago, I had read this and got it in my head it was Marlon Birch, not you. Don't ask! Regardeless anyway, moreso than JP and MB, it was your words that motivated me and though I messed around with it, I have not comitted to self resistance it still holds my attention and I plan to use it much more, perhaps even exclusively for a time. It really is intriguing! I'm happy to hear I motivated you. Discussions on this forum keep me motivated. I did the SR exercises in Zen in the Art of Self-Resistance for a year and a half with great results. The reason I started doing this is because I had burnt out on my early morning workouts and searched for means of building muscle with no equipment. I did my exercises in my office, spacing them out in between work throughout the morning. Whenever asked about the effectiveness of SR, I've always said that it is a lot more effective than you might think it would be.
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Post by Michael on Jun 9, 2019 18:16:51 GMT
Bruce, I had the same experience with isometrics pretty much no matter what protocol I used. Everyone may not have the same experience with isometrics. Some people may feel that they gained size but only got leaner. If they took measurements, weighed themselves, pictures, etc.... then they would have some kind of proof. Looking in the mirror or how their shirts fit is not enough proof. Then again, they may say that we didn't gain size because we didn't do it right. Until someone has proof, I'm pretty much a non-believer in someone that has trained with any other protocol has gained size from isometrics. If You never trained before or coming off an injury You will gain size from isometrics.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 9, 2019 18:29:18 GMT
And denser. Don't forget denser. I know of an isometrics guy who has people lined up down the street to express awe and disbelief at how much denser he is.
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Post by Michael on Jun 9, 2019 19:56:24 GMT
Well, which meaning of dense are You referring to, ? If it's the one about getting denser in the head I can't confirm. Is it a fancy word for lean or ripped? With a good diet, most training styles will get You there. Isometrics always made me sweat a lot if I did it non-stop, some protocols more than others. Possibly because of the breathing protocol I use but who knows.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 9, 2019 20:16:48 GMT
The Shadow knows.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 20:26:17 GMT
nice reference there Bruce. I just heard it in Alec Baldwin's voice just now. Love that movie.
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Post by macky on Jun 10, 2019 7:11:03 GMT
Despite some gains when I was weight training back some time ago (30+ years), from a building muscle point of view (arms) the best development I ever achieved with the biceps especially (and in general, upper body) was with pullups, and the best triceps with parallel bar dips. Same here macky.....although I was doing and still do them on rings That's top drawer Matey. The rings are having to be stabilized by the arms as they are, extra strength required over static bars. I never got to that level. That's as tough as it comes.
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Post by billfish on Jun 10, 2019 11:17:15 GMT
Thanks macky
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Post by ddh on Jun 10, 2019 18:09:02 GMT
I wrote in another post some time ago,but about almost 20 yrs, ago I was working out at a 24 hr fitness close to my house,and there was a member who had still to this day the greatest upper body development I have seen, he was probably about 5'10 and had this not overly hige, but solid and muscular,he came into the gym and the gyn had a set of v shaped dip bar next to the pull bar,he got on there and did dips, smooth and controlled reps after he finished dips ,did the same with pull ups,smooth and controlled reps, I few day later when I went back to the gym,he was there doing the same, thing after I finished my workout I walked up to him and complement him on how great his form was on the v dips and chin ups as well as how great his upper body development was, great guy to talk to, he told me all the did for his upperbody were the dips and chins 3 to 4 times a week ,just bodyweight but good strict reps,and a few sets of sit uos, he said he didn't do much for his legs because he said he played a lot of basketball and didn't want to bulk up his legs,but the proof was there the value of dips and chins covering a the muscles of the upperbody, MBS and Macky spot on,on the value of those 2 exercises also.
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 10, 2019 21:59:37 GMT
And denser. Don't forget denser. I know of an isometrics guy who has people lined up down the street to express awe and disbelief at how much denser he is. Your just jealous, that you do not have the GUTS to develop a Lean Lithe Physique, you lack the Nerve Force to develop Highly Oxygenated Blood and simply just burn the fat off your body. Even if that means you end up looking like a bag lady.
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Post by macky on Jun 11, 2019 2:15:31 GMT
I wrote in another post some time ago,but about almost 20 yrs, ago I was working out at a 24 hr fitness close to my house,and there was a member who had still to this day the greatest upper body development I have seen, he was probably about 5'10 and had this not overly hige, but solid and muscular,he came into the gym and the gyn had a set of v shaped dip bar next to the pull bar,he got on there and did dips, smooth and controlled reps after he finished dips ,did the same with pull ups,smooth and controlled reps, I few day later when I went back to the gym,he was there doing the same, thing after I finished my workout I walked up to him and complement him on how great his form was on the v dips and chin ups as well as how great his upper body development was, great guy to talk to, he told me all the did for his upperbody were the dips and chins 3 to 4 times a week ,just bodyweight but good strict reps,and a few sets of sit uos, he said he didn't do much for his legs because he said he played a lot of basketball and didn't want to bulk up his legs,but the proof was there the value of dips and chins covering a the muscles of the upperbody, MBS and Macky spot on,on the value of those 2 exercises also. Well I've mentioned it before on here some time ago, but back 50 years ago when I was WT at the Wellington YMCA there was a tall Pacific islander (about 6'4") who also trained nothing but parallel bar dips and pullups (I never saw him doing a chin-up) and he had the best looking upper body of everybody in the gym, a couple of pro wrestlers included.
I met him again 20 years later at a Cook Island festival in Auckland and he still looked good. And those two exercises were still all he did. I think he just walked for the legs and general conditioning. He also didn't use any extra weights, just himself. Decent controlled, smooth form, as ddh said.
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