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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 4, 2019 23:23:41 GMT
There is a lot of discussion here on alternative means of exercise, primarily KSHD and Isometrics. And there have been some very informative discussions on these. Personally, I have done both for extended periods, but, IMO, nothing beats the old tried and proven protocol for building muscle - Progressive Resistance, i.e., weights, bands, and bodyweight. Nothing makes your muscles as hard or builds as much size. Nothing gets your heart pounding as much or has you gasping for air as much. It's as though nature intended that the most effective means of building muscle also happens to be the most taxing.
I continue with my Progressive Resistance routine and I love every workout. At 70, I wonder when too old will be too old.
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Post by Michael on Jun 4, 2019 23:46:39 GMT
After some years of doing alot of self resistance and calisthenics mix I would have to agree. Even though I've been using kettlebells alot, still weight, there is a big difference.
Self resistance always gave me a pump but never much of an anaerobic effect. Although I did feel I got some huff and puff from long duration isometrics. I do enjoy KBs, DBs, bands, and calisthenics.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 5, 2019 3:13:47 GMT
Having done and tested it all, like many here, it’s hard to beat a loaded barbell for low rep heavy compound lifts, preferably the standing ones.
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 5, 2019 3:16:34 GMT
I think that correct high-tension dynamic and isometric self-resistance training can give results comparable with weightlifting, including anaerobic effects. It also gives such benefits as flexibility, speed and great mind-body coordination that are especially important for older people.
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Post by MBS on Jun 5, 2019 3:20:00 GMT
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jun 5, 2019 8:42:58 GMT
Bruce, Michael, and Pierini all draw their conclusion from doing and comparing. Bob just has to think.
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Post by Michael on Jun 5, 2019 10:58:34 GMT
I did self resistance, KSHD, and isometrics for about 10 years. Probably could have written a book on it but of course, I would have stolen Bruce's ideas that are free on this website, . Although I did include pushups, pull up and bodyweight squats at times, I would have figured I knew how to do that stuff the correct way. Maybe I did it the wrong way, ?
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Post by stuke on Jun 5, 2019 11:04:51 GMT
I have tried various methods over the last 30 years or so but weights still cpmw out on top. I really wanted to like calisthenics more, but fhs fact is somw of the moves do not feel right for my body (let's be honest, although many tout calisthenics as being natural and so better for the body, it's not really true. What is natural about a push up, a muscle up or a piatol...). Self resistance and isometrics are ok, but can end up taking more time to do than weights and I just don't get the same feeling afterwards. Ok, you can do then more or less anywhere, but that is urrelevant when I have all my weights ready to use in the garage. For mass, you would be hard pushed to find many people who exclusively use the other methods with eye catching mass. Most of the best calisthenics guys are built and shredded, but certainly not big.
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Post by gruntbrain on Jun 5, 2019 13:39:28 GMT
Yielding isometrics with high resistance bands are a close second . Their convenience is why I frequently incorporate them .
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 5, 2019 15:17:32 GMT
Bruce, Michael, and Pierini all draw their conclusion from doing and comparing. Bob just has to think. I agree that weightlifting gives clear estimation of muscle strength and is a superior method for strength gaining for younger people. It is also a superior method for muscle development for them. However, many people around 70 y.o. stop heavy weightlifting for some reasons, including their health and injuries. Check forum.bodybuilding.com/ and make the search of people around 70 y.o. You will find only few ones who continue weightlifting and post their recent pictures as a proof of their physique. You will also find that almost all of them have the achievements comparable with self-resistance training. I would like to note again that self-resistance is not for bodybuilding competitions and supermen. It is a great method to keep our health, good physique, strength, flexibility, speed, and perfect mind-body coordination for many years. If someone cannot or does not want to lift weights or to attend gyms, self-resistance training could be a good option. Isometrics, as a supplement training, allows reaching the muscle tension close to 1RM during the ROM and full sets. As I wrote before, if a tension level is correct, a trainee cannot perform more than 10 reps. I usually perform 6-8 reps to get the failure, 4 sets. This high level of tension is sufficient for the progress.
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Post by fastfor40 on Jun 5, 2019 15:38:40 GMT
I've done a variety of training methods during the 40-plus years I've been training, and I have to go along with Bruce and the other like-minded.
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Post by Michael on Jun 5, 2019 17:15:17 GMT
I disagree Bob. There are plenty of people who lift weights in their 70s/80s. If You do it sensible and use common sense there's no reason why someone can't use weights.
There's nothing wrong with what You do. But as a person that has been a self resistance trainer in the past, it seems like SR guys make weights out as being bad for someone. It's not the weights that injury or hurt someone. It's what You do with them that does. If someone is irresponsible you can get injuries with any type of training,even Self Resistance.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jun 5, 2019 18:49:06 GMT
I'm going to do pressups with a weight vest and a band round my back and dynamic tension fucking watch me I'm gonna be huge!!!
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Post by stuke on Jun 5, 2019 18:59:06 GMT
Bumped into my old gym friend, Dennis Winn, runner up in Mr Universe 1952 and sometime training partner of Reg Park He is now 88 and lifts weights 4 days a week. I have to wonder whay he would be like at 88 if he had never lifted...
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 5, 2019 19:14:13 GMT
I disagree Bob. There are plenty of people who lift weights in their 70s/80s. If You do it sensible and use common sense there's no reason why someone can't use weights. There's nothing wrong with what You do. But as a person that has been a self resistance trainer in the past, it seems like SR guys make weights out as being bad for someone. It's not the weights that injury or hurt someone. It's what You do with them that does. If someone is irresponsible you can get injuries with any type of training,even Self Resistance. Hi Michael, I do not speak that old people should not or cannot lift weights. Of course, they can use moderate loading. However, based on bodybuilding forum, I just noted that older people, around 70 and more, who lift weights, have the physique comparable with the physique obtained by SR. As a former SR practitioner, you know that SR is more injury free and has other valuable benefits for older people.
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