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Post by Mr Average on Jun 7, 2019 19:16:41 GMT
I, personally did self-resistance for a year and a half. That's when I put together Zen in the Art of Self-Resistance. The big difference between self resistance and weights is that you control self-resistance, whereas you have no control over weights, aside from setting a pre-determined weight. In other words, if you decide to perform 10 self resistance curls, you will do so, but with a weight, you might or might not be able to complete a set of 10 reps. Weights force you to muster up every ounce of strength you have. Also, weights enable compound exercises - various muscles throughout your body are brought into play to perform a number of basic lifts, resulting in overall strengthening. I agree that to be able to use weight you must use weight and as far as I know most of the members on here have used weight in their past. If anyone has used weight in the past, then that is what developed their muscles in the first place and any other form of exercise after that is just maintenance. I also feel that whole body movements make someone stronger than breaking exercises down into compound lifts. |
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 7, 2019 19:49:17 GMT
I, personally did self-resistance for a year and a half. That's when I put together Zen in the Art of Self-Resistance. The big difference between self resistance and weights is that you control self-resistance, whereas you have no control over weights, aside from setting a pre-determined weight. In other words, if you decide to perform 10 self resistance curls, you will do so, but with a weight, you might or might not be able to complete a set of 10 reps. Weights force you to muster up every ounce of strength you have. Also, weights enable compound exercises - various muscles throughout your body are brought into play to perform a number of basic lifts, resulting in overall strengthening. I agree we can perform 10 and more self-resistance reps if our muscle tension is moderate. But if we keep our voluntary muscle tension in self-resistance reps close to our max isometric level, we cannot do it due to the intensive burning/pain in muscles. This is the second type of failure that also works for gaining muscle strength and mass. P.S. Factually, it is "dynamic isometrics" or "isometric dynamics"  that can give both dynamic and isometric benefits. |
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Post by stuke on Jun 7, 2019 21:46:17 GMT
I, personally did self-resistance for a year and a half. That's when I put together Zen in the Art of Self-Resistance. The big difference between self resistance and weights is that you control self-resistance, whereas you have no control over weights, aside from setting a pre-determined weight. In other words, if you decide to perform 10 self resistance curls, you will do so, but with a weight, you might or might not be able to complete a set of 10 reps. Weights force you to muster up every ounce of strength you have. Also, weights enable compound exercises - various muscles throughout your body are brought into play to perform a number of basic lifts, resulting in overall strengthening. Bruce. I really enjoyed your conprehensive account of swlf resistance, in fact I was reading it only yesterday. You spoke very highly of it and seemed to gain well. Somehow, years ago, I had read this and got it in my head it was Marlon Birch, not you. Don't ask! Regardeless anyway, moreso than JP and MB, it was your words that motivated me and though I messed around with it, I have not comitted to self resistance it still holds my attention and I plan to use it much more, perhaps even exclusively for a time. It really is intriguing! |
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Post by Michael on Jun 7, 2019 22:07:18 GMT
Makes sense Bruce and Mr. Average. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with any other style of training like self resistance, isometrics, or KSHD because I've done all of them. I did enjoy doing them but I started losing strength for picking up heavy things at work and also would get little nagging injuries. So what Mr. Average said about to be able to lift weight You have to use weight is a definite for myself. I may have to work into my 70's so I need to be able to lift heavy things.
Bob50, different people have different philosophies for self resistance. Marlon Birch says light to medium tension for higher reps will build muscle with self resistance. He also used different techniques like half reps and other stuff. I always did well with medium tension and a good diet to look lean. Never got strength for lifting heavy with this. I have also done slow and superslow self resistance which is not isometrics.
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Post by Deuce Gunner on Jun 7, 2019 22:52:48 GMT
One of the biggest truths in exercise is doing something will ALWAYS beat doing nothing. In order to do that through your entire life you have to like it and it doesn't hurt when you do it.
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Bob50
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 8, 2019 0:02:37 GMT
Makes sense Bruce and Mr. Average. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with any other style of training like self resistance, isometrics, or KSHD because I've done all of them. I did enjoy doing them but I started losing strength for picking up heavy things at work and also would get little nagging injuries. So what Mr. Average said about to be able to lift weight You have to use weight is a definite for myself. I may have to work into my 70's so I need to be able to lift heavy things. Bob50, different people have different philosophies for self resistance. Marlon Birch says light to medium tension for higher reps will build muscle with self resistance. He also used different techniques like half reps and other stuff. I always did well with medium tension and a good diet to look lean. Never got strength for lifting heavy with this. I have also done slow and superslow self resistance which is not isometrics. It looks naturally for me if we do not use high muscle tension during training, our CNS will not learn to drive the max number of motor units. In this case our strength will not progress substantially despite some muscle growth. High tension isometrics is an unique method for CNS conditioning; therefore, combination of isometrics with weightlifting or self-resistance may be very productive. |
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Post by Michael on Jun 8, 2019 0:55:20 GMT
I'm confused. Bob if it works and You enjoy what You do I'm Happy for You. Doesn't work for me. I'll stick with KBs, DBs, Bands, and Calisthenics because that's what I enjoy and works for me.  , with KBs I use high muscle tension most of the time 5 sets of 5 reps. DBs and Bands most of the time are higher reps Bruce style to failure. Calisthenics are pull ups, chins, dips and sometimes push ups once or twice a week. What Deuce said,"One of the biggest truths in exercise is doing something will ALWAYS beat doing nothing. In order to do that through your entire life you have to like it and it doesn't hurt when you do it." |
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jun 9, 2019 3:44:27 GMT
What is up with that? I used to belong to a YMCA and I'd walk in and there was a tv lounge with vinyl chairs in the entrance of the locker room and there would be a couple old naked dudes watching TV. I was in my 20's and they were in their 60's. I'm 50 now, but fairly certain I won't be sitting naked in the chairs in another 10 years. |
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Post by macky on Jun 9, 2019 4:54:42 GMT
Despite some gains when I was weight training back some time ago (30+ years), from a building muscle point of view (arms) the best development I ever achieved with the biceps especially (and in general, upper body) was with pullups, and the best triceps with parallel bar dips.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 9, 2019 14:17:20 GMT
Despite some gains when I was weight training back some time ago (30+ years), from a building muscle point of view (arms) the best development I ever achieved with the biceps especially (and in general, upper body) was with pullups, and the best triceps with parallel bar dips. I've often said that pushups and chinups are the cornerstones of upper body development, and that all other weight, bands exercises are in addition to. |
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Post by MBS on Jun 9, 2019 14:44:55 GMT
Chins and dips.
Simple, and effective.
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Bob50
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 9, 2019 16:27:42 GMT
The question to isometric gurus. Can isometrics create progressive resistance/tension if you train regularly?
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Post by stuke on Jun 9, 2019 16:38:44 GMT
The question to isometric gurus. Can isometrics create progressive resistance/tension if you train regularly? I don't see why not. If you are working hard and getting enough rest, isn't it likely that you will progressively be puahing harder over time? Not easily measureable I admit, but just because you are not measuring it doesn't mean you are not improving. |
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 9, 2019 17:11:16 GMT
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 9, 2019 17:34:10 GMT
MBS, got my bar dip unit, assembled it but haven’t been able to take it for a test drive because I have a sore sternum (no punch.)
Been doing weighted pull-ups/chin-ups and bar dips last couple of weeks. Agree with Macky’s earlier post.
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that can give both dynamic and isometric benefits. 
, with KBs I use high muscle tension most of the time 5 sets of 5 reps. DBs and Bands most of the time are higher reps Bruce style to failure. Calisthenics are pull ups, chins, dips and sometimes push ups once or twice a week. What Deuce said,"One of the biggest truths in exercise is doing something will ALWAYS beat doing nothing. In order to do that through your entire life you have to like it and it doesn't hurt when you do it."
