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Post by golden on Jun 5, 2019 21:07:28 GMT
#1-Weights
#2-Calisthenics
#3-Isometrics
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 5, 2019 21:37:26 GMT
There is a lot of discussion here on alternative means of exercise, primarily KSHD and Isometrics. And there have been some very informative discussions on these. Personally, I have done both for extended periods, but, IMO, nothing beats the old tried and proven protocol for building muscle - Progressive Resistance, i.e., weights, bands, and bodyweight. Nothing makes your muscles as hard or builds as much size. Nothing gets your heart pounding as much or has you gasping for air as much. It's as though nature intended that the most effective means of building muscle also happens to be the most taxing. I continue with my Progressive Resistance routine and I love every workout. At 70, I wonder when too old will be too old. Well I have tried exercising as nature intended, but I always feel more comfortable wearing clothes.
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 5, 2019 21:59:51 GMT
Bruce, Michael, and Pierini all draw their conclusion from doing and comparing. Bob just has to think. I agree that weightlifting gives clear estimation of muscle strength and is a superior method for strength gaining for younger people. It is also a superior method for muscle development for them. However, many people around 70 y.o. stop heavy weightlifting for some reasons, including their health and injuries. Check forum.bodybuilding.com/ and make the search of people around 70 y.o. You will find only few ones who continue weightlifting and post their recent pictures as a proof of their physique. You will also find that almost all of them have the achievements comparable with self-resistance training. I would like to note again that self-resistance is not for bodybuilding competitions and supermen. It is a great method to keep our health, good physique, strength, flexibility, speed, and perfect mind-body coordination for many years. If someone cannot or does not want to lift weights or to attend gyms, self-resistance training could be a good option. Isometrics, as a supplement training, allows reaching the muscle tension close to 1RM during the ROM and full sets. As I wrote before, if a tension level is correct, a trainee cannot perform more than 10 reps. I usually perform 6-8 reps to get the failure, 4 sets. This high level of tension is sufficient for the progress. What about the manual workers that are still moving weight etc...... in their 70's? Bodybuilding is only one way to work muscles and work with weight, not everyone wants to train or look like a bodybuilder and not everyone in their 70's have injuries.
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Post by pierinifitness on Jun 5, 2019 22:40:10 GMT
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Post by gruntbrain on Jun 5, 2019 23:18:49 GMT
Developing a way of measuring progress will likely enable you to enthusiastically stay in the game at any age . Adding weights to lifts is a good if not the best way to cultivate progress . To continue progressing add new lifts if you plateau in current ones .
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 5, 2019 23:50:44 GMT
let's be honest, although many tout calisthenics as being natural and so better for the body, it's not really true. Anything that challenges your muscles is natural. What is the one feat of strength everyone performs? It is picking something up and carrying it - boxes, suitcases, potted plants, groceries, etc. In that sense, lifting weights is as natural as you can get. Weights effect all muscles. To do presses, you gotta reach down and lift the barbell off the floor and hoist it into position, which brings into play all those muscles needed to perform this task - back, legs, shoulders, arms, forearms, which results in over all strength and muscular development. Dumbbells are extremely versatile, as you can hit your muscles from any number of different angles. Weights also enable you to increase resistance in any increment and time frame you choose. Bands provide the same advantages. Bodyweight exercises are also in the same category, as increasing reps as you are able to is progressive resistance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 0:02:07 GMT
Weights have great value and have been for a long ass time, progressive training and consistency is key for sure. Not everyone has to lift weights to get strong. Are we looking at strength as a skill or as a necessity? It all depends on the individual.
Bodyweight Training has amazing progressions too but are limited because to me, if you want to get stronger, you go to a more difficult exercise but a lot of those difficult exercises are more skilled based than just pure strength. They're awesome to look at but nothing beats the basics.
Not everyone can go from pullups to kipping pullups or doing those high risk jumping moves on the bar, that's an injury waiting to happen and kipping pullups are the most bullshited form of pullups there is.
Progress through safety and keeping the basics in mind. The more mastery over the basics, the less you'll need to go over the top with certain advanced movements. There's not many variations of a bench press but a ton in pushups, not many variations of a heavyweight squat but plenty of other stuff for the legs.
What are you really looking to do when you get older? SR exercises are awesome but in a lot of cases they're boring so you switch to something more your style but do so by being aware of what you're trying to accomplish whether short term or long term.
Even men my age are killing themselves in workouts these days and think it's no big deal until it hits them 10-15 years down the line. I'd say be smart and do what works best for you.
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 6, 2019 2:45:17 GMT
I'm going to do pressups with a weight vest and a band round my back and dynamic tension fucking watch me I'm gonna be huge!!!
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Post by macky on Jun 6, 2019 3:56:05 GMT
There's a big difference between heavy weightlifting and weight training for elderly people. I don't believe there are many over 70 who are still heavy weightlifting.
But there will be many who will be weight training with lighter weights than they would have handled in their younger days. For muscle-building, weights will still do the job well, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Self-resistance and KSHD can still provide an extremely tough and effective workout. As with Isometrics, they will build muscle. I would say that overall, weights still come out on top for muscle-bulking, but the other protocols are still effective.
It's like anything else, strandpulling etc, train efficiently, regularly and don't try any silly stunts, and they all will improve the physique. Do the protocol that makes you feel good, and suits you.
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Post by fastfor40 on Jun 6, 2019 12:40:01 GMT
Maybe not as impressive as some of the feats displayed in the videos, but years ago I posted about a man named Joe Amlong, who I thought at the time I met him was in 50s, but was instead 62. I saw him do a 475 DL for three very easy reps.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jun 7, 2019 7:05:39 GMT
If you lack nerve force, yes, then progressive resistance is best
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 7, 2019 17:05:27 GMT
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 7, 2019 18:40:35 GMT
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Post by Mr Average on Jun 7, 2019 18:45:59 GMT
If you lack nerve force, yes, then progressive resistance is best Yes but you have to have GUTS, to have Nerve Force, that is the only way to a Lean Lithe Physique and Build the Right Kind of Muscle.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Jun 7, 2019 18:50:22 GMT
I, personally did self-resistance for a year and a half. That's when I put together Zen in the Art of Self-Resistance. The big difference between self resistance and weights is that you control self-resistance, whereas you have no control over weights, aside from setting a pre-determined weight. In other words, if you decide to perform 10 self resistance curls, you will do so, but with a weight, you might or might not be able to complete a set of 10 reps. Weights force you to muster up every ounce of strength you have. Also, weights enable compound exercises - various muscles throughout your body are brought into play to perform a number of basic lifts, resulting in overall strengthening.
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