Mr Average
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 2, 2017 18:22:19 GMT
Of course those who know about isometrics, do not need anything apart from their mind to work their muscles.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 2, 2017 18:28:58 GMT
No such thing as "Moving isometrics". Here's a useful website that explains adjectives such as "Moving" and "Isometrics" www.dictionary.com/First of all, mien herr, "isometrics" is a noun. But that's beside the point. Now, looky here. You hold a Bullworker out in front of you and pull the cables until the lower tube slides up to any given number on the gauge, and then you hold it at that number. You are performing an isometric. Now, dearest heart, if you were to start moving your arms from one side to the other, while holding the bully at that given number, you are still performing the same isometric whether your arms are moving or not. So, you are in effect performing a Moving Isometric.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Nov 2, 2017 18:42:56 GMT
Nope. You don't call a bench press a moving isometric because your wrists don't move do you?
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 2, 2017 19:02:38 GMT
You have a point, Bruvvers. Now that I think about it, an isometric means that the muscles don't move (or shorten, or lengthen, or whatever), and by moving your arms from side to side, as in the exercise I stated above, you are actually moving the muscles - the shoulders - that are being worked.
So, what do we call holding an isometric while moving limbs? How 'bout "Performing an isometric whilst the limbs are flailing about"?
Or how 'bout simply using John Hughes' term, "Iso-Motion". It's somewhat of an official term, at least amongst Bullworker aficianados, and it is descriptive of the process. And by using that term, I can say it was coined by someone known and respected in the fitness industry, and I can say I didn't come up with it myself, and thus, not be accused of being a Lionqueer or a Twat.
At any rate, I am going to incorporate some Iso- Motion into my Long-Duration Iso program. I mean, instead of just holding an iso for 60 seconds, I could be moving my arms up and down, or from side to side for that minute. This can only be practically done with just a few of the exercises, so I'm going to do it.
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 2, 2017 19:15:47 GMT
You can add anything to Iso, it is not a word, unlike isometrics, that is why John Hughes used it.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 2, 2017 19:44:09 GMT
I don't even want to write this, but ....
Can we agree that "iso" = equal (it does, it's a word and it's spectacular!) and that "metric" = measurement or length?
So, equal length/measurement applies to the angle of the joint(s) and the length of the attached muscle(s). When an isometric is held, there is no change in either the angle of the joint(s) nor in the length of the attached muscle(s). So, there is no movement in those areas that are involved in performing an isometric. An isometric effort is defined by the non-movement involved w/ the joint)s) and muscle(s). Dynamic exercise is directly opposite of an isometric effort - the muscles change length and the joints change angles.
When I do an alternating arm, squat, lift, clean & OH press a DB session, it is considered to be a whole body or compound exercise, am I right? However, during that effort, my grip is performing an isometric, IMO, even though there may be a change in wt distribution from my fingers to near the palm of my hand. But, in effect, the angle of the joints and length of the forearm muscles involved in the grip don't change - they remain equal throughout the effort.
Do we call that a "moving isometric" for my grip? No. A "moving isometric" for my body, then? No. Only my grip is performing an isometric. The rest of my body is dynamically involved throughout my exercise session, which, in this case, is known (? I think) as an alternating arm DB C&P. - that's what it's called .... the name of the exercise .... the name of the exercise is not a moving isometric or a dynamic isometric, nor am I doing either.
This stuff is not complicated. Just do your exercise, whatever it is. It doesn't even need a name. Breaking all exercises down into which part is an isometric and which is dynamic is unnecessary to receive benefit from doing them.
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 2, 2017 20:00:26 GMT
The problem is there are different descriptions,
Oxford Dictionaries relating to or denoting muscular action in which tension is developed without contraction of the muscle.
The free Dictionary Physiology Of or involving muscular contraction against resistance in which the length of the muscle remains the same.
Merriam Webster of, relating to, involving, or being muscular contraction (as in isometrics) against resistance, without significant shortening of muscle fibers, and with marked increase in muscle tone
Dictionary.com exercise or a program of exercises to strengthen specific muscles or shape the figure by pitting one muscle or part of the body against another or against an immovable object in a strong but motionless action, as by pressing the fist of one hand against the palm of the other or against a desk.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 2, 2017 20:03:16 GMT
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 2, 2017 20:11:35 GMT
So, is "dynamic" an official word in the fitness lexicon? Was that word ever used to describe particular exercise moves before Charles Atlas adopted it?
ok. I concede that any movement whatsoever is not isometric, so a moving isometric would not be an accurate term. So, wanting to apply a term to this phenomena, rather than continuously describing the movement, I'll just apply John Hughes' established term, "Iso-Motion". Works for me.
I can't completely agree with that. It is, in effect, an abbreviation which signifies the word, and used in a sentence, "iso" is understood as "Isometric".
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Post by Mr Average on Nov 2, 2017 20:29:42 GMT
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 2, 2017 20:57:36 GMT
Well, there ya go. From now on whenever I see "iso" used on this forum, I'll no that it means "Infrared Space Observatory". Thanks!
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 2, 2017 21:01:08 GMT
I'll no that it means "Infrared Space Observatory". I'll no that too.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Nov 2, 2017 21:05:19 GMT
Oh, my side.
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Post by gruntbrain on Nov 2, 2017 21:07:35 GMT
Try Isomotion with the Dr Crunch pulls . You may like the resulting bicep pump.
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Post by fatjake on Nov 2, 2017 22:47:17 GMT
So, is "dynamic" an official word in the fitness lexicon? Was that word ever used to describe particular exercise moves before Charles Atlas adopted it? ok. I concede that any movement whatsoever is not isometric, so a moving isometric would not be an accurate term. So, wanting to apply a term to this phenomena, rather than continuously describing the movement, I'll just apply John Hughes' established term, "Iso-Motion". Works for me. I can't completely agree with that. It is, in effect, an abbreviation which signifies the word, and used in a sentence, "iso" is understood as "Isometric". iso-motion or isometric-motion are perfectly fine. There are conventions in grammar for such compound nouns where it is accepted that they will often have a meaning that is different, or more specific, than the two separate words.
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