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Post by Bruce Tackett on Feb 17, 2019 15:35:20 GMT
It has always been my experience that my arms measure 1/2" smaller when measured cold, as compared to immediately after a weights/bands workout. Immediately after a Kin Shi-Hai Do workout, you're muscles feel all pumped, as though you had lifted weights. But then, unlike an actual weightlifting workout, you soon lose that feeling and then you feel as though you hadn't worked out at all. And then you again begin to feel it in your muscles in about 6 hours from your KSHD workout. Your muscles begin to feel pumped, and that feeling increases on into the night and on into the next morning. It has to do with blood occlusion. I decided to take a break from the weights and, for the last two weeks, I've been exercising with KSHD. Well, I tried something. Immediately after yesterday morning's workout, I took an arm measurement. And then this morning, 24 hours later, I measured my arm again, and it is exactly the same size, and they feel pretty pumped. KSHD is weird that way.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 17, 2019 17:30:57 GMT
OK, but what the measurement before the KSHD? Did the measurement after the exercise indicate the same 1/2" increase as with weights?
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Feb 17, 2019 18:41:04 GMT
The measurement I took this morning constitutes a measurement before a KSHD workout. Technically, my arm was cold. If I had lifted weights yesterday and taken a measurement, and then taken another one this morning, there would have been a half inch difference. But, with this KSHD, there was no difference.
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Post by Bob50 on Feb 17, 2019 20:55:53 GMT
Bruce, I do not know how you perform KSHD. If you keep high muscle tension in concentric and eccentric phases, KSHD might create more blood occlusion than lifting and, as a result, higher subsequent pumping. I keep constant high tension through the full sets during self-resistance and see similar delayed pumping on mornings. Carbs and water may increase effect.
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Post by mr potatohead on Feb 17, 2019 21:04:47 GMT
OK, so if I translate this into English I can understand, would you agree that ...
Measurement b4 weights/band use is 1/2" smaller than after, due to residual pump.
Measurement b4 KSHD is the same as after, due to no residual pump.
Now, my question is this: After, say, 2 months of straight KSHD, is there a discernible increase in muscle size?
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Feb 17, 2019 21:18:54 GMT
OK, so if I translate this into English I can understand, would you agree that ... Measurement b4 weights/band use is 1/2" smaller than after, due to residual pump. Measurement b4 KSHD is the same as after, due to no residual pump. Now, my question is this: After, say, 2 months of straight KSHD, is there a discernible increase in muscle size? There would be for someone with a potential for increased muscle growth. I'm not in that category.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Feb 17, 2019 21:19:51 GMT
Bruce, I do not know how you perform KSHD. If you keep high muscle tension in concentric and eccentric phases, KSHD might create more blood occlusion than lifting and, as a result, higher subsequent pumping. I keep constant high tension through the full sets during self-resistance and see similar delayed pumping on mornings. Carbs and water may increase effect. That's the way I do it - to the max!
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Post by Bob50 on Feb 17, 2019 21:20:50 GMT
One more explanation might be related to deeper mind concentration/attention on working muscles during KSHD. When I practiced Tai Chi, one exercise was to switch quickly from light body feeling to heavy body feeling during attack. The second feeling resembled muscle pumping and was related to light body tension and vessel responses. Probably, we learn to drive our blood vessels in KSHD too; therefore, subsequent voluntary attention to muscles might produce pumping (vessel response).
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Feb 17, 2019 21:29:26 GMT
Possibly, Bob. I think it's just an inevitable physiological result, as others have experienced the same thing - again, blood occlusion. Whatever the reason, I like it.
As I said above, you feel pumped immediately after a workout, and then pumped again, beginning about 6 hours after your workout, which increases into the next morning. I think that after tomorrow's workout, I'll take another measurement, and then one about two hours later, when you're in that don't-feel-a-thing zone.
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Post by Michael on Feb 17, 2019 21:54:33 GMT
Bruce, "I think it's pretty simple". I put that in parentheses because this is just my opinion. Whether it is right or wrong, I'm sure You guys will tell me. , I hope I don't sound like the push-up champion. I think it has to do with the mind- muscle connection more than anything. Yeah, You need the mind-muscle connection with all other training. But if You think about it, with weights and cables most people are just trying to lift them. Yeah, the muscles are working but the weights or cables are making them work without much thought. When doing KSHD You have to make the muscle work without any resistance so You have to keep it flexed the whole time. Just like bodybuilders flexing You're going to get a pump from this. The more control You have on the tension the more pump You're going to get. That's not science but just my opinion about why.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Feb 17, 2019 22:10:17 GMT
Sounds pretty scientific to me, Michael.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Feb 17, 2019 22:20:33 GMT
And while we're on the subject, KSHD fans...
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Post by Silverlooks on Feb 17, 2019 22:34:57 GMT
It has always been my experience that my arms measure 1/2" smaller when measured cold, as compared to immediately after a weights/bands workout. Immediately after a Kin Shi-Hai Do workout, you're muscles feel all pumped, as though you had lifted weights. But then, unlike an actual weightlifting workout, you soon lose that feeling and then you feel as though you hadn't worked out at all. And then you again begin to feel it in your muscles in about 6 hours from your KSHD workout. Your muscles begin to feel pumped, and that feeling increases on into the night and on into the next morning. It has to do with blood occlusion. I decided to take a break from the weights and, for the last two weeks, I've been exercising with KSHD. Well, I tried something. Immediately after yesterday morning's workout, I took an arm measurement. And then this morning, 24 hours later, I measured my arm again, and it is exactly the same size, and they feel pretty pumped. KSHD is weird that way. I experienced the same thing with KSHD. a short lived mini pump after workout, then a longer and greater pump when I wake up in the morning. With overcoming isometrics and flexing the pump is greater and longer after workout, sometimes it remains a little till after sleep and mostly doesn't.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Feb 17, 2019 22:48:56 GMT
Yup. It's the same for everyone. And, Michael, you're right. Weights and bands do the work for you, but with KSHD you have to do the work. You have to contract your muscles and keep them contracted throughout a set of reps. Mind-muscle connecting.
On the other hand, I took a two mile drive to Walmart the other day. I got into my car and drove away, and then the next thing I knew, I was in the Walmart parking lot, and I had no clue how I had gotten there, so wrapped up in my thoughts was I during the drive. I've experienced the same thing with KSHD. In the midst of a set, my mind will sometimes wander, and then when I snap back to what I'm doing, I realize that I've generated one helluva pump. My sub-consciousness had taken over whilst I was elsewhere. Empty your mind, grasshopper.
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Post by Michael on Feb 17, 2019 23:02:07 GMT
Wow, Bruce, I think we're starting to sound like the push=up King, . You are hilarious, thanks for the laughs.
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