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Post by molison05 on Mar 18, 2018 19:58:09 GMT
Good video shows frog leg Interesting. I've heard of this study being done during the 1950s or so with the same results in the muscle size and strength of the frogs being recorded. I had not heard of this being done at Springfield College. My father taught there from 1942 until 1968. He was a biologist and headed the Biology Department in the 1960s. He was succeeded there by Dr. John Brainerd. I graduated from there in 1967.
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Post by gruntbrain on Mar 18, 2018 20:07:05 GMT
An isometrics "power belt" is so simple to configure that even an unskilled craftsman like me can do it; sewing is not necessary since a simple knot can be used to connect the metal rings . An advantage of such a wide belt( 2"-3" tubular webbing) is the comfort provided when the belt is draped around your body(eg shoulders or hips to isometric squats) . Such an adjustable belt works fine but adding a comfortable grip( eg pipe, dowel, HOOK,...) enhances your exertions.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 18, 2018 21:21:37 GMT
This reminds me, gruntbrain, I once asked you if you had sent JP a strap with D-rings or O-rings sewn on one end, and, of course, I got one of your cryptic non-answers. So, let me rephrase this: Have you ever sent JP anything with D-rings or O-rings attached to it, either sewn, or tied, or glued, or in any other way attached?
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Post by doomfarer1 on Mar 18, 2018 21:45:34 GMT
@ Shen Thank you.
To my knowledge JP has not claimed to have developed the 5-6-7...but he is the first one to publicly adapt the Kiveloff to the ISO Belt and on to all the Baley exercises. I don’t know if Soly was doing full body contractions with his 5-6-7 all those years before him.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 18, 2018 22:43:43 GMT
I know JP hasn't claimed to have invented the 5-6-7 protocol. He has loudly lauded Soly for that. You don't know if Soly ever integrated a full body iso with iso exercises? Well, you're a member over there (read: our guy on the inside). Why don't you ask him? I don't want to know just so that I can say, "Aha! It wasn't JP's idea!" For all I know, JP is the first to incorporate the two. I'd never heard of it before. That's not to say it never existed elsewhere in the world. I really don't care whose idea it is/was. I'm just curious to know if Soly had done that previously. Of course, if you do ask, JP might go, "Aha! Another gotcha question from a Wile E Coyote!", and ban you.
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Post by doomfarer1 on Mar 18, 2018 23:38:55 GMT
I bet if Soly joined this forum with his many years ISO experience we would all benefit.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 18, 2018 23:42:04 GMT
I bet if Soly joined this forum with his many years ISO experience we would all benefit. Why don't you PM him? Tell him we're all very sorry for being so beastly to JP.
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Post by macky on Mar 18, 2018 23:51:30 GMT
I bet if Soly joined this forum with his many years ISO experience we would all benefit. Why don't you PM him? Tell him we're all very sorry for being so beastly to JP. I dunno, Soly might feel the same way by now, Shen........
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Post by Michael on Mar 19, 2018 0:11:43 GMT
@ Shen Thank you. To my knowledge JP has not claimed to have developed the 5-6-7...but he is the first one to publicly adapt the Kiveloff to the ISO Belt and on to all the Baley exercises. I don’t know if Soly was doing full body contractions with his 5-6-7 all those years before him. I will give him for the first one to publicly adapt the Kiveloff to the ISO Belt. But if You think about, when You do an isometric with a belt it's impossible not to contract almost the whole body. Pavel use to talk about iradation years ago. Example squeeze Your fist. Your forearm gets tight. Now squeeze it harder, it radiates into Your bicep and tricep. Now squeeze it even harder and it will radiate all the way up into Your shoulder. I find, using a bicep curl as an example, if You make sure You're using good posture You should automatically feel almost the whole body tightening up. Bruce I always wondered about that Wile E Coyote stuff. So when You're banned You're one of those?
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Post by stormshadow on Mar 19, 2018 0:27:52 GMT
Good video shows frog leg Interesting. I've heard of this study being done during the 1950s or so with the same results in the muscle size and strength of the frogs being recorded. I had not heard of this being done at Springfield College. My father taught there from 1942 until 1968. He was a biologist and headed the Biology Department in the 1960s. He was succeeded there by Dr. John Brainerd. I graduated from there in 1967. That is really cool Molison. What a small world. I read about 20 years ago that the frogs constantly tried to get loose. They would stop to rest and then go back at it. Talk about extended duration Isos. Also I chuckle when people say Isos are not good for Mass . The leg looks like the amphibian version of Tom Platz
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Post by macky on Mar 19, 2018 0:50:29 GMT
"pulse" and "surge" are just names trying to explain slightly different hold/rest techniques.
I agree, it all works, and lots of fun trying different hold-times etc. I did find though that performing 8-second on/8-second off "pulses" (the pulse including complete relaxation on the "off" phase as much as possible, whereas "surges" while easing up on the "off" phase do not relax but simply slacken off a bit. Quite tough actually) had a different feel to them afterwards than one single equivalent hold.
Could be. I hadn't thought of that. I also do shaking and jerking, especially enjoyed while doing a dip hold at or near the top. I think I've noticed a different feel for the same exercise, depending on the pulse/shake/jerk/surge frequency rate & mix, but I also considered that, since a lot of what I do and when to stop is evaluated by feel, the differences might just be my mind, since I allow it to wander while I exercise and ignore timing & counting. Well I either hold to the tick of a clock, or what I think is the same out on the road. I think the reason why I might feel the differences between the pulses and single steady equivalent timed holds is because that's just about ALL I do currently. I started back a while ago on pushups and strands, but as time has gone on, I've drifted more and more back to isometrics and their interesting combinations. A bit of walking thrown in.
I think we all like to look good, but muscle-building while welcome is not my prime concern, rather just feeling good and reasonably strong (for me). I've done long holds up to 90 seconds over he last few years from time to time. Sub-max steering wheel pushes for example, by half way through the hold, I can feel the effort going right around the back. It makes it feel like the upper torso is "one unit". Mid 70's I was using the Bullworker and holding for 30 seconds an exercise, so it's not especially a new thing.
The exercises I do currently are steering wheel pushes and "pullouts", No.10 Monk with alternative grip fingers interlocked and bunched, tightening the grip as the pull goes on, pushing in on a 7" block of wood (4X2) under the chin + pullouts holding a towel (), the top of my chest of drawers with one hand over the back pulling, the other hand at the front pushing (the reverse of the Archers Pull), curls with the action hand under the opposite elbow, push-downs on the desk top, Monks No.s 5, 6 & 7, a piece of pipe with towel wrapped around it placed just under the kneecaps while sitting, and pulling back on it with the lower back, followed by leaning forward a bit and pulling back with bent elbows for rows. The pipe gripped and tucked right up under the soles of the feet, pushing with the legs, Monks 19, 20, 21, 22 pushing with the palms NOT fingertips. Sitting at the desk placing the elbows on it and with the forearms vertical in front of me with clasped hands (fingers interlocked) using the palm heels as fulcrum for the fingers to pull back on each other. Monk No. 17
Usually 2 sets, the first a steady 30 second hold, the next "set" around 10 X 8-second pulses. Or 3 sets of 30-second holds. All of this every second day, whether all in one workout or split into two or three sessions.
Any other isometric during the day including elbow planks. Doorframe stuff etc.
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Post by doomfarer1 on Mar 19, 2018 1:09:04 GMT
MichaelYou’re right. And the “zip up” that I do before each contraction comes directly from Pavel’s Naked Warrior. When I heard about the full body Kiveloff, that’s how I envisioned it. Zipping up to the extreme. That’s the difference I think; there’s always going to be natural tension but this is focusing and intensifying it. @ Mackey Your comment about looking good and feeling good strong/for you; that’s how I feel about it too. I’m not as much interested in “real world” strength I guess. However, there enough stories about wrestlers, fighters, men in general who stumbled into doing ISOs and had it carry over very effectively that it makes one feel that strength is a real effect.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 19, 2018 2:40:33 GMT
Bruce I always wondered about that Wile E Coyote stuff. So when You're banned You're one of those? Yes. Once banned, you enter unto the realm of the Wile E Coyote, the lowest of the low. Funny thing. There was a guy called MikeNY who practically lived on that forum for years. An ass-kisser par excellent. He never missed an opportunity to take a shot at the Wile E Coyotes. He was banned recently. No one knows why. Now he's a WEC. HAHAHA!
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Post by macky on Mar 19, 2018 3:16:14 GMT
That's right. Any exercise protocol will have you looking good providing you follow the rules reasonably and don't overdo things.
As far as isometrics are concerned, they suit me at my time of life because the main thing I want is to be strong enough to get through a busy day of housework, research, and looking after my grandsons, plus a bit extra in the tank for emergencies. I ain't no beast like Bruce is. Isometrics also provide a continuing interest re hold times, sets, etc and with the long sub-max holds (such as 90 seconds) a measure of active meditation, a calmness externally while the heat builds up internally, similar I expect to the Zhan Zhuang postures of the kung fu fraternity, the standing yielding isometrics of (say) the Embrace Tree or Horse Stance postures. 90+second sub-max holds could be similar to said yielding-iso-stances, in a sense. Of course, if you're going to stoke up to 100% (as near as humanly possible) on long holds, that's a bit different again, and I found a certain lightness moving around through the day while being able to do anything I wanted easily, after a few weeks of one or two major exercises that used large muscle groups. I have yet to explore that aspect of isometrics more fully.
I am pleasantly tired the next day after the above activities, but not shagged out. Of course, I have one or two minor goals that also provide impetus to the enjoyment I get out of isometrics.
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Post by Michael on Mar 19, 2018 9:02:53 GMT
Bruce I always wondered about that Wile E Coyote stuff. So when You're banned You're one of those? Yes. Once banned, you enter unto the realm of the Wile E Coyote, the lowest of the low. Funny thing. There was a guy called MikeNY who practically lived on that forum for years. An ass-kisser par excellent. He never missed an opportunity to take a shot at the Wile E Coyotes. He was banned recently. No one knows why. Now he's a WEC. HAHAHA! , so that's why they called me that. Wow, a cartoon. What happened when men were men. That guy is such a little kid. What if I want to be the road runner? Well I at least the Wile E Coyote is funny.
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