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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 18, 2018 2:25:23 GMT
Meaning tight (50%) tighter (75%) tightest(as close to 100% as you can). So, Doomsietoes, do you take the 2 or 3 second breather between these three stages? It takes a bit of practice to flex from the toes to the neck, while coordinating the breath and still focusing on a particular muscle area to work during a max contraction. . Are you saying that you do a full body iso contraction while performing a specific iso, such as a curl?
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 18, 2018 2:25:48 GMT
What is a pulse?
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Post by doomfarer1 on Mar 18, 2018 2:39:35 GMT
Hey Bruce/Ben Grimm Yeah I don’t really measure it but I’d imagine it’s 3 seconds or less. The most effective way I’ve found is to go right back to it. Sometimes on the very next breathe-in.
Yup, I make it a full body contraction every time. Begin at the toes (Doomsie-toes?) as you intake your breath and “zip-up” the whole shebang til you hit tight - tighter - tightest and breathe out maintaining that level best you can.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 18, 2018 2:50:08 GMT
Well, Doomsies, and I might add it's really nice to see you here, this is what I'd been hoping for - someone who actually does this and can honestly say it his preferred way of doing isos. And, surprise surprise, you've thrown in full body contraction on top of it.
How long have you been doing this? Can I ask where/who you learned this from?
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Post by gruntbrain on Mar 18, 2018 3:00:53 GMT
Whether its isometrics or weightlifting, I perform multiple near max exertions interspersed with pauses. With weightlifting my lifts are only a few inches where I almost immediately lower the weight to the supports followed by a very brief pause before lifting again for as many reps as I can handle; if I'm able to get at least 5 reps I add weight for the next workout.
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Post by doomfarer1 on Mar 18, 2018 3:14:26 GMT
Always a pleasure Bruce. I always return to the hallowed halls of the Canegurus. I learned it all from reading John’s forum archives. 1 year ago Feb I became RE- interested inHIIT, PUs, ISOs and the Kiveloff; ordered the Belt. Somehow after ordering I was able to become a member again so I could use the search function. I have studied the posts regarding the Belt, the 5,6,7, all in great detail. I even went so far as to order Prof Baley’s books to see the original belt instructions. The Kiveloff done w the belt is the lower curl position. It’s an easy leap to just continue to utilize it in every contraction. It is talked about over there. At any rate, it makes the work challenging for mind and body when done one right after the other. I’m looking forward to John’s new Belt course.
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Post by macky on Mar 18, 2018 4:49:39 GMT
It's part of a deeper on/off series of holds/efforts than a surge.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 18, 2018 6:46:23 GMT
It's part of a deeper on/off series of holds/efforts than a surge. I had thought I was pulsing, until macky pointed out that I am surging, although I also pulse occasionally. It's all about TIME and TENSION. More tension (intensity) takes less time. Less tension takes more time. It all works .... according to the intensity of the tension and the time it's applied. Not at all complicated. I think how you break up the effort time and amount of applied tension per effort doesn't really make much difference in the end. Still the sum total of time under tension.
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Post by macky on Mar 18, 2018 8:30:45 GMT
It's part of a deeper on/off series of holds/efforts than a surge. I had thought I was pulsing, until macky pointed out that I am surging, although I also pulse occasionally. It's all about TIME and TENSION. More tension (intensity) takes less time. Less tension takes more time. It all works .... according to the intensity of the tension and the time it's applied. Not at all complicated. I think how you break up the effort time and amount of applied tension per effort doesn't really make much difference in the end. Still the sum total of time under tension. "pulse" and "surge" are just names trying to explain slightly different hold/rest techniques.
I agree, it all works, and lots of fun trying different hold-times etc. I did find though that performing 8-second on/8-second off "pulses" (the pulse including complete relaxation on the "off" phase as much as possible, whereas "surges" while easing up on the "off" phase do not relax but simply slacken off a bit. Quite tough actually) had a different feel to them afterwards than one single equivalent hold.
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Post by stormshadow on Mar 18, 2018 10:46:50 GMT
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Post by stormshadow on Mar 18, 2018 11:07:38 GMT
Good video shows frog leg
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Post by Michael on Mar 18, 2018 11:15:11 GMT
Always a pleasure Bruce. I always return to the hallowed halls of the Canegurus. I learned it all from reading John’s forum archives. 1 year ago Feb I became RE- interested inHIIT, PUs, ISOs and the Kiveloff; ordered the Belt. Somehow after ordering I was able to become a member again so I could use the search function. I have studied the posts regarding the Belt, the 5,6,7, all in great detail. I even went so far as to order Prof Baley’s books to see the original belt instructions. The Kiveloff done w the belt is the lower curl position. It’s an easy leap to just continue to utilize it in every contraction. It is talked about over there. At any rate, it makes the work challenging for mind and body when done one right after the other. I’m looking forward to John’s new Belt course. How often do you do this workout? Do you do full body, split body parts, or everyday? How do you count your seconds without losing concentration? Also do you do one point of the range of motion or more in each workout? I wasn't slamming the protocol because I like different ways of doing things. Just the person trys to make people look bad. I may experiment with this in the fall.
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Post by mr potatohead on Mar 18, 2018 13:23:29 GMT
"pulse" and "surge" are just names trying to explain slightly different hold/rest techniques.
I agree, it all works, and lots of fun trying different hold-times etc. I did find though that performing 8-second on/8-second off "pulses" (the pulse including complete relaxation on the "off" phase as much as possible, whereas "surges" while easing up on the "off" phase do not relax but simply slacken off a bit. Quite tough actually) had a different feel to them afterwards than one single equivalent hold.
Could be. I hadn't thought of that. I also do shaking and jerking, especially enjoyed while doing a dip hold at or near the top. I think I've noticed a different feel for the same exercise, depending on the pulse/shake/jerk/surge frequency rate & mix, but I also considered that, since a lot of what I do and when to stop is evaluated by feel, the differences might just be my mind, since I allow it to wander while I exercise and ignore timing & counting.
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Post by Mr Average on Mar 18, 2018 13:39:55 GMT
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Mar 18, 2018 14:08:31 GMT
Always a pleasure Bruce. I always return to the hallowed halls of the Canegurus. I learned it all from reading John’s forum archives. 1 year ago Feb I became RE- interested inHIIT, PUs, ISOs and the Kiveloff; ordered the Belt. Somehow after ordering I was able to become a member again so I could use the search function. I have studied the posts regarding the Belt, the 5,6,7, all in great detail. I even went so far as to order Prof Baley’s books to see the original belt instructions. The Kiveloff done w the belt is the lower curl position. It’s an easy leap to just continue to utilize it in every contraction. It is talked about over there. At any rate, it makes the work challenging for mind and body when done one right after the other. I’m looking forward to John’s new Belt course. You forgot "spirit". Are you aware that JP's new 27' belt is required for the new course and that he plans to sell the two for $99.99? You could get that length of webbing and a couple of D rings and make your own belt for under $10. Are you aware that the Sierra Isometric Suspension Trainer costs less and is far more versatile, with evenly spaced, numbered loops which makes for quick, easy reference, and with thick dense foam hook handles, enabling a person to push/pull as hard as he wants to with total hand comfort? And that it is designed to work equally as well as both an isometric strap and a suspension trainer. A person doesn't have to join that forum to search their archives. You can just type this into Google: site:transformetrics.com/forum "key words" Well, I'm happy to hear that you are successful with this particular modality and that you enjoy the workouts. I hope JP's manual is released in our life time.
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