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Post by Magnus on Nov 29, 2022 11:57:29 GMT
***Potatohead says he’s a fan of Steve Justa but it’s clearly obvious that he’s never read ‘Rock Iron Steel’…
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Post by Spud on Nov 29, 2022 12:26:52 GMT
The Bioneer mentions "functional" strength. So has Cedric, Zombie Fighter Jango, Nye. So have others I've read or listened to. So what? I don't care. I evaluate the information being shared. If they have some goodies, I take them and leave what I disagree with or doesn't appeal to me. I'm not looking for a "guru".
All strength does what strength does. Strength IS functional. It works, it functions, because it is strength and ALL strength IS functional. It's a ........ characteristic? ........ attribute? It's a quality, a state of being strong, forceful.
Functional fitness Functional training Functional exercise etc, etc
These are all ACTIVITIES that can have, as one of the many possible results, increased strength.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 29, 2022 12:51:38 GMT
Can you do "Functional Strength Training" for a specific activity? Yes, but the key words there are "Functional" and "Training".
That does not mean that the strength you had before you began the functional training of strength for a specific task was not functional since strength, all strength, is functional, it functions.
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 29, 2022 13:03:55 GMT
Next time you go for a drink with friends, ask the bartender to add an extra shot to make your drink functionally strong. See what kind of reaction you get and let me know, please?
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Post by Spud on Nov 29, 2022 17:31:36 GMT
Can you do "Functional Strength Training" for a specific activity? Yes, but the key words there are "Functional" and "Training". That does not mean that the strength you had before you began the functional training of strength for a specific task was not functional since strength, all strength, is functional, it functions. To avoid confusion, which seems to have occurred with a number of self-styled youtube physical fitness gurus, perhaps it would have been better to label it, "Functional Training for Task Related Strength" or something similar. That uses more words, but at least it might cut down on the misunderstanding about "functional strength" being something different from just strength?
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Post by Magnus on Nov 29, 2022 19:02:46 GMT
Potatohead—Spud—Potatohead—Spud—Potatohead—Spud—…
Gee wiz, now you’re having conversations with yourself ?
***Not that it makes you a bad person 😉
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Post by Magnus on Nov 29, 2022 19:06:20 GMT
***I don’t drink and I can’t stand a drunk, so unless there’s a really good band playing I tend to stay away from bars…
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Nov 29, 2022 19:07:08 GMT
Functional strength is just a phrase. I remember it started getting bandied around a lot on the message boards in the early or mid 2000's. There was lots of talk about bosu balls, kettlebells and bodyweight exercises. It seemed like barbells were only to be used for "functional training" while stood on a Swiss ball otherwise they were pretty much useless for functional strength. The more skill involved in an exercise and the more likely to cause an injury, the more functional it was.
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Post by Magnus on Nov 29, 2022 19:21:52 GMT
Yeah, doing silly acrobatics isn’t what I’m talking about, m8.
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Post by Magnus on Nov 29, 2022 19:24:21 GMT
The last time I went to a bar to see a live band it was ‘Uncle Pecos Band’…. 🤠
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Post by Dave Reslo on Nov 29, 2022 19:32:56 GMT
Next time you go for a drink with friends, ask the bartender to add an extra shot to make your drink functionally strong. See what kind of reaction you get and let me know, please? Functional alcoholics do this all the time
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Post by Magnus on Nov 29, 2022 19:39:06 GMT
For anyone disputing the term Functional Strength’ your homework assignment is to acquire and read ‘Rock Iron Steel’ by Steve Justa. Pay particular attention to the chapter where Steve describes his experiences when working for a “custom hay hauler” and how his “gym strength” didn’t come close to preparing him for such a labor intensive activity. It wasn’t until he ditched the weights and trained in an entirely different method that he developed a ‘different kind of strength’ that his job became much easier and he was able to keep up…
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Post by fredhutch on Nov 29, 2022 20:20:30 GMT
And when Steve Justa got better at his hay hauling, it wasn't from doing just anything, it was from doing isometrics. He said in his later book "Iron Isometrics" that isometrics prepared you for tasks you had never done before, that is, in some sense you were used to doing something that you hadn't actually done...which would indicate that isometrics are indeed "functional" training, although I hate using the f word.
What "Functional" means to me is, does the exercise you're doing have "carryover" to anything else, or does it just make you better at doing the exercise? I think the issue of carryover is how the debate ought to be framed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 20:54:58 GMT
When I was working for a builder, in the winter we would line the footing of basements with hay (keep from freezing), I would get to go for a drive in the country to a farm and load 40 hay bails onto my pick-up truck, then unload to where it's gonna be needed. Carry one in each hand.
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Post by Magnus on Nov 29, 2022 21:23:54 GMT
And when Steve Justa got better at his hay hauling, it wasn't from doing just anything, it was from doing isometrics. He said in his later book "Iron Isometrics" that isometrics prepared you for tasks you had never done before, that is, in some sense you were used to doing something that you hadn't actually done...which would indicate that isometrics are indeed "functional" training, although I hate using the f word. What "Functional" means to me is, does the exercise you're doing have "carryover" to anything else, or does it just make you better at doing the exercise? I think the issue of carryover is how the debate ought to be framed. I don't consider this a debate at all, I'm stating indisputable facts. I also didn't want to identify the "method" Justa used and potentially open up a whole 'nother can o' worms... Sorry if feelings get hurt but anyone disputing that there's no such thing as "Functional Strength" just has no clue what they're talking about, at least not within the context of my definition of "Functional Strength". Hint: it doesn't include silly acrobatics and standing on Bosu balls.. And just for clarity my definition of Functional Strength would be the same definition as explained by Steve Justa in Rock Iron Steel. It's the same definition as understood by many others that have written books on the subject of strength as well. How am I so sure of myself ?...It's because years before there was an internet and I'd ever heard of Steve Justa, I also worked heavy manual labor jobs and realized that there was a whole lot more to 'strength' than what meets the eye. In order to keep up for myself I dropped the bench press, tricep pushdowns and other 'less functional' moves like lateral raises, and got with the heavy Power Cleans, Dips, Bearhug Squats and high rep dumbbell step-ups, etc. I also did a little bit of Iso's and dropped the weight workouts down to usually twice per week....basically turned myself into an animal
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