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Post by brothersteve on Oct 31, 2020 21:24:14 GMT
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Post by macky on Oct 31, 2020 22:37:39 GMT
Yes it IS hilarious if it wasn't so sad. The only two candidates for presidency, a chronic liar who concocts the truth/reality as he sees it on the day, including complete falsehoods in his rallies and debates. On the other side, a guy who should be addressing his gardening society this morning, on the best ways to grow roses while the wildfires rage. That's America. A country so deeply divided in so many ways, the 50 States Of America. A large number of people who believe in conspiracy theories but ignore the truth right in their faces. The Land Of the Gun, bristling with firearms behind every curtain, a right ensured by a constitution over 200 years old. I thought somehow the world might have changed since then. Apparently not. A police force given to sudden acts of violence on largely helpless individuals, some who have been killed and others maimed for life. Attacking the Media left right and centre. Macing children. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incidents_during_George_Floyd_protestsRioting in hundred of cities, some for dozens of days/nights on end. Extremists such as Proud Boys or what ever they are named told to stand by, by Trump who has played a huge part in exploiting the divisions that exist before, during, and no doubt will after, whoever gets in. Nowhere else is a gang of racists (not only them) tolerated in any other civilized country, but in America it's part a said 200+ year old constitution for States to have militias, therefore heavily armed groups with military-grade weapons are standing by, as advised by Trump. The President of America. The people in other countries observing all this are just amazed, and horrified. Yet hello, just yesterday another Trump supporter was interviewed, a fine lady who asserts that Trump was sent by God to get America right, to make it great again. More Moon gazing. Meanwhile Biden outwits his gesticulator who seems to be at a loss what Biden has just said. He wasn't the only one. Biden himself probably didn't know either. Re the pandemic, I doubt whether anyone would ever sensibly imagine that lockdowns were going to be a permanent measure to eliminate the virus. What they DID do in countries where people largely obeyed the law and their medics and scientists who were only trying to do their best recommended masks, isolation, distancing, and stay-homes, was a buying of time until a viable vaccine could be found and distributed. Nobody on either side of the extreme crackpottery that's been put forth has said anything about that, as far as I know. And another thing which nobody else on here has also mentioned, except myself, is the damage done to Long-Covid sufferers who are STILL not well months later after they were deemed "recovered". Research has so far estimated that at least 12% of these "recovered" have such diverse medical disabilities, some research mentioning as many as one in three, at least damaged in some way, whether disabled or not. That is a serious problem that I would think be enough for lockdowns (up to a point) and the measures recommended just by itself. The economy still suffers if those people have to be looked after for the rest of their lives, or who have a job but can't do it for more than 3 hours a day. And given the research, that seems to be a significant portion of sufferers. And it's not been discussed about those who have permanent brain damage from covid 19. Also are those two videos posted above with Ms de Klerk klucking away off the table now ? Or are they still regarded as relevant ? In the meantime, America is in trouble. Deep trouble. There's gonna be more of it post-election if the previous 4-5 months are anything to go by. Like 9-11, the outward-looking America with nearly 800 military bases of some sort dotted around the Globe couldn't even stop four commercial flights that day, and the ones responsible for the fiasco (whatever your views are on 9-11, e.g. NORAD) were later promoted, I understand. America faces not only a savage virus that was never stopped at the border in a timely manner, due to a leader who largely ignored it despite warnings, Trump's greatest failure, but many other internal divisions that have never been properly addressed. Trumpublicans here can make all the excuses they like (and I'm not saying Biden would have done any better) but their demi-god who essentially wanted to return to What Was, instead of facing the New World, or at least the New Phase of the world, let his people down on a grand scale which most of them still don't either see, or don't want to see. Trump doesn't see it either. He was brought up to "never fail". It's always someone else's fault. Sunday night here in NZ, the news coming through from the States (and you can say all you like about MSM, some of it WILL be true) has buildings and shops boarding up once again in readiness for post-election violence from both sides. Trump has encouraged all this by default, exploiting American divisions that are becoming increasingly ominous. Today the Biden election bus was harassed by Trump support vehicles and a Dem staffer's car hit. Three venues were apparently cancelled due to the extreme actions. Antifa are mobilizing to take action if Trump loses but refuses to leave the Oval Office, as he has not as yet indicated that he will leave peacefully. Proud Boys are "standing by". Civil war in the streets ? People are stocking up on guns and ammo, many shops out of stock or low. This violent election is the culmination of four years of a self-interested president who sought to divide and rule, who behaved like a unruly spoilt child on occasion, whose rules of conduct and decorum were his own, and sadly lacking in the number of abusive Tweets he occupied himself with instead of attending to business. Who has no empathy for the hundreds of thousands of dead from a virus he assured the People would go away, just like that. This is more than an election between Dems and Reps. It's really an election about Trump. That there seems to be no viable opponent of any import is also a reflection on a declining America. Trump will never make America great. How could he when he's effectively split the country into pieces. His "us and them" speeches and ranting Tweets are more the products of a narcissistic dictator-type but without the intelligence to run anything properly, let alone a country. Trump has no calming effect on the American people. He inflames them, both the "for and against". For Trump, this election is more about himself and personal power-play than for democratic process, which he continues to rail against. In years to come, when most of the People have calmed down again and the Constitution hopefully changed to reflect a modern world, not a frontier new nation, they will look back on the Trump years (whether 4 or 8) and wonder what on Earth were they thinking.
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Post by billfish on Nov 1, 2020 15:46:34 GMT
"A police force given to sudden acts of violence on largely helpless individuals, some who have been killed and others maimed for life. Attacking the Media left right and centre. Macing children. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incidents_during_George_Floyd_protests Rioting in hundred of cities, some for dozens of days/nights on end. Extremists such as Proud Boys or what ever they are named told to stand by, by Trump who has played a huge part in exploiting the divisions that exist before, during, and no doubt will after, whoever gets in. Nowhere else is a gang of racists (not only them) tolerated in any other civilized country, but in America it's part a said 200+ year old constitution for States to have militias, therefore heavily armed groups with military-grade weapons are standing by, as advised by Trump. The President of America. " macky I rarely get involved in theses debates but this is absolute BULLSHIT ! Obviously you haven't seen the videos of HEAVILY armed blacks with military grade weapons in uniforms marching down along roadways demanding "reparations" from motorists who are stranded in traffic And the Proud Boys have done nothing....BTW most of them are not white You have NO idea of what's happening here and only know what the news media feeds you.....99% of which is not true Perhaps you like the idea of white people being dragged out of their cars and beaten and killed ....white business owners beaten and killed and their businesses looted and burned ? This has been happening for months now....over a CRIMINAL named george floyd....fuck him, scum like him are destroying this country and every time there is a justifiable police shooting now, there is rioting. Even when the officers involved are clearly protecting their own lives. If they were looting, burning and killing in your home city, would you be so supportive of them ? And Trump hasn't "advised" any group to stand by You live so far away that you have no idea of what is true here in the U.S. You need to search for both sides of the story
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Post by moxohol on Nov 1, 2020 16:10:52 GMT
Yes it IS hilarious if it wasn't so sad. The only two candidates for presidency, a chronic liar who concocts the truth/reality as he sees it on the day, including complete falsehoods in his rallies and debates. On the other side, a guy who should be addressing his gardening society this morning, on the best ways to grow roses while the wildfires rage.....................................In years to come, when most of the People have calmed down again and the Constitution hopefully changed to reflect a modern world, not a frontier new nation, they will look back on the Trump years (whether 4 or 8) and wonder what on Earth were they thinking. Thinking About Voting For Biden? Watch This! - YouTube
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Nov 1, 2020 18:59:17 GMT
Post by macky on Nov 1, 2020 18:59:17 GMT
macky I rarely get involved in theses debates but this is absolute BULLSHIT ! Obviously you haven't seen the videos of HEAVILY armed blacks with military grade weapons in uniforms marching down along roadways demanding "reparations" from motorists who are stranded in traffic And the Proud Boys have done nothing....BTW most of them are not white You have NO idea of what's happening here and only know what the news media feeds you.....99% of which is not true Perhaps you like the idea of white people being dragged out of their cars and beaten and killed ....white business owners beaten and killed and their businesses looted and burned ? This has been happening for months now....over a CRIMINAL named george floyd....fuck him, scum like him are destroying this country and every time there is a justifiable police shooting now, there is rioting. Even when the officers involved are clearly protecting their own lives. If they were looting, burning and killing in your home city, would you be so supportive of them ? And Trump hasn't "advised" any group to stand by You live so far away that you have no idea of what is true here in the U.S. You need to search for both sides of the story Matey, I've tried to take ALL sides of the story in the posts I've presented to this forum. I have made it as plain as I could that I myself have both left AND right aspects to my political leanings. I have no sympathy for violence of any kind, no matter where it is coming from. I support a law-abiding society and have no truck with those that brandish guns at police. They should be warned, then shot dead. Finish. I am not happy with the police violence either, as listed on the Wiki which I presented as evidence (apart from one or two incidents that I believe the police were justified) of unprovoked police violence on News media, children, persons who had nothing to do with any surrounding violent protest. I could not find the video, but I saw some weeks ago a video of a girl brought to her knees by pepper spray and helpless being kicked in the face by a cop who had approached her from about 15 feet away, his mates standing around watching. That is precisely what I do NOT approve of in any circumstances. I am sure that I have not given any impression that the Proud Boys are necessarily white, only that they are militants. I certainly do not condone blacks, whites, purples, checkered, striped groups conducting intimidation on any law-abiding citizens. Re George Floyd, no matter what he was, he was not attacking the police officers when he was detained, and he certainly was no threat to them when he was on the ground cuffed. I don't think that any officer of the law should have his knee on a controlled prisoner for over eight minutes, causing death, ESPECIALLY when that prisoner is informing the officer that he can't breath. THAT is precisely the sort of bad name that the police give themselves when one of them behaves like that. The rioting that erupted from that is an indication of the overall underlying unrest and frustration in America, and there has been numerous examples of that over the decades. Trump has encouraged the divisions in the 50 States of America, and there is plenty of video evidence for that, over the months and years. Every country has divisions. It's up to a leader to try and solve those divisions and bring the People together. Trump has not done that. With the Internet, I have EXACTLY the same access to information that you have, Matey. 50 miles away and further, you would not know any more than I do about what is happening in your country than me, unless you've got contacts that are informing you. I have made it plain about aspects of the MSM, and most notably other sources of info that are not the "News". I have also mentioned that I've sourced FBI, BTS, NTSB and other US govt agencies OWN files for information which is directly in opposition to the Official Govt Story of various events of which most Americans seem to believe in implicitly, without question. An example of that is when I asserted that the CIA has been involved in many countries in their overthrowing of basically democratically elected govts and the installation of vicious dictators more conducive to American corporate plundering, on the old AMM board. You appeared not to know that, which means that in that instance, I apparently had more information about your country that you did. In the seven years I posted into Skeptoid, that situation was borne out again and again with Americans denying the very sorts of events that are not only in the files I presented links to, but in mainstream easily-accessed sources. I will tell you and everyone here once again, that I have examined both sides of any story that I've posted on. And along with my posts over the years re the PTB, rampant capitalism, outrageous predations by the CIA, FBI on its own citizens etc etc, it is my opinion that what is happening now is a culmination of decades of widening social groups of all sorts, racial, economic, political etc. brought to a head by Covid 19 and a leader who didn't take it seriously, and who has often demonstrated his own mental aberrations. If I was anti-American, I wouldn't waste my time trying to reason with Americans or even belong here to this fine forum. But you and the guys here I regard as my good friends and I am warning you fellas that things are not right in your country, and the reasons why, from my and many others' perspective that are looking in from the outside.
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Post by moxohol on Nov 1, 2020 19:03:28 GMT
"A police force given to sudden acts of violence on largely helpless individuals, some who have been killed and others maimed for life. Attacking the Media left right and centre. Macing children. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incidents_during_George_Floyd_protests Rioting in hundred of cities, some for dozens of days/nights on end. Extremists such as Proud Boys or what ever they are named told to stand by, by Trump who has played a huge part in exploiting the divisions that exist before, during, and no doubt will after, whoever gets in. Nowhere else is a gang of racists (not only them) tolerated in any other civilized country, but in America it's part a said 200+ year old constitution for States to have militias, therefore heavily armed groups with military-grade weapons are standing by, as advised by Trump. The President of America. " macky I rarely get involved in theses debates but this is absolute BULLSHIT ! Obviously you haven't seen the videos of HEAVILY armed blacks with military grade weapons in uniforms marching down along roadways demanding "reparations" from motorists who are stranded in traffic And the Proud Boys have done nothing....BTW most of them are not white You have NO idea of what's happening here and only know what the news media feeds you.....99% of which is not true Perhaps you like the idea of white people being dragged out of their cars and beaten and killed ....white business owners beaten and killed and their businesses looted and burned ? This has been happening for months now....over a CRIMINAL named george floyd....fuck him, scum like him are destroying this country and every time there is a justifiable police shooting now, there is rioting. Even when the officers involved are clearly protecting their own lives. If they were looting, burning and killing in your home city, would you be so supportive of them ? And Trump hasn't "advised" any group to stand by You live so far away that you have no idea of what is true here in the U.S. You need to search for both sides of the story The USA is an entirely different culture with unique institutions which does not hold allegiance to the Crown nor has ever had the influence of the Westminster system of government as alot of the other Commonwealth of nations do. Yours is a presidential system that serves a federal republic. The only simularity here is u speak english. The USA has inspired quite a few nations to emulate the US Constitution & system of governance. The Swiss come to mind as does Germany, Oz, & Canada. Although, the latter 2 are hydrids infused with American influences once Dominion status was achieved for both. America has had only one major invasion & that was the War of 1812. After that it was left to its own devices to develop their institutions for 105 years in peace. NZ & Oz have taken on utterly different trajectories & are in fact younger nations than America. So their worldview is going to be naturally biased & with a much different mindset then yours. Geography determines geopolitics. Heritage determines culture despite the shared language & common law. So ur going have different styles of living & thought. We think the States are nation-centric gun toting nuts with a 2 way radio to God. Yanks see us as PC, lascivious, verbose, cheeky drunks with amusing accents. Don't burst a blood vessel over it.
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Post by billfish on Nov 1, 2020 22:35:21 GMT
Macky You live almost 8000 miles from the U.S. and have NO idea of what is happening here....police officers are being attacked and murdered on a weekly basis There has been several months of "protests" read rioting in which the police, no matter how much they try to peacefully contain these events have been attacked with guns, bricks, bottles and lasers. The people you are crying over have either attacked the police or are threatening them with bodily harm In all the months of this rioting, not ONE police officer has shot any of these rioters...not one ! I have friends in NYC from my old firehouse who have sons who are NYC police officers....the police have been attacked relentlessly and savagely and yet, the police have been ordered to not make arrests, to not pull their guns even when their lives are threatened and to generally let the mob do whatever it wants Trump didn't cause this....50 years of Communist professors in the colleges and political agitators have....and traitorous American politicians have added fuel to the fire My wife and I will be voting TRUMP once again on Election Day and will be armed, because this is the atmosphere the left in this country has produced NEVER in my entire life has there been any threat of violence over a presidential election....but now it's a very real threat and businesses in some cities are being boarded up I sincerely hope that PRESIDENT TRUMP puts the hammer down and orders troops out into the mob and gives orders to SHOOT them ! I'm fucking tired of this shit and I don't want these people destroying my country....and believe me, I'm not the only one Do you want them ? We can send them all down to you, they will turn your beautiful New Zealand into a wasteland within a few short months.....like they have done to Minneapolis and other American cities they have looted and burned Turn the news off macky...you are not getting the full story, not by a long shot !
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Post by macky on Nov 2, 2020 2:53:43 GMT
Macky You live almost 8000 miles from the U.S. and have NO idea of what is happening here....police officers are being attacked and murdered on a weekly basis There has been several months of "protests" read rioting in which the police, no matter how much they try to peacefully contain these events have been attacked with guns, bricks, bottles and lasers. The people you are crying over have either attacked the police or are threatening them with bodily harm In all the months of this rioting, not ONE police officer has shot any of these rioters...not one ! I have friends in NYC from my old firehouse who have sons who are NYC police officers....the police have been attacked relentlessly and savagely and yet, the police have been ordered to not make arrests, to not pull their guns even when their lives are threatened and to generally let the mob do whatever it wants Trump didn't cause this....50 years of Communist professors in the colleges and political agitators have....and traitorous American politicians have added fuel to the fire My wife and I will be voting TRUMP once again on Election Day and will be armed, because this is the atmosphere the left in this country has produced NEVER in my entire life has there been any threat of violence over a presidential election....but now it's a very real threat and businesses in some cities are being boarded up I sincerely hope that PRESIDENT TRUMP puts the hammer down and orders troops out into the mob and gives orders to SHOOT them ! I'm fucking tired of this shit and I don't want these people destroying my country....and believe me, I'm not the only one Do you want them ? We can send them all down to you, they will turn your beautiful New Zealand into a wasteland within a few short months.....like they have done to Minneapolis and other American cities they have looted and burned Turn the news off macky...you are not getting the full story, not by a long shot ! Come on Matey, I just told you I don't condone violence of any sort. If the police have been told not to make arrests then the system is fucked, isn't it ? They are effectively being told NOT to do their job. And if "communist professors" etc have influenced those in power to make decisions that have adverse effects on American society and allow the country's police force to be attacked without being held to account, then they are weak. That's another example of what I'm saying, America is in trouble. That mob-rule rules, and the State and Federal govt system has failed and is out of date. Send the "communist professors" you speak of out with a few police patrols and see if they still want to advocate "political correctness" on the end of a bottle bouncing off their academic skull, or a bullet whizzing by just missing them by inches. Or not. "The people you are crying over have either attacked the police or are threatening them with bodily harm..." Post where I have ever said that I am crying over ANYBODY who uses violence as a measure to vent their anger, for whatever reason. I believe in law and order for ALL, not lenience for a few exceptions to just let them run wild. if the country is over-run with violence, then it's time for the US to look to tidying up its own back yard instead of just about every one else's around the world. Put out nation-wide announcements that no more gatherings are to take place, place the country under martial law or at least curfew, and sort through the trouble-makers using the military as well as the police. Have them in court and charged and convicted for fomenting riots, bashings and vandalism, intimidation, demands under menaces, and anything else appropriate. Get rid of your weak leaders right down to the local officials that would rather not deal with the problems, even though part of their brief is to do just that. America underneath it all is strong, but your leaders and their sycophants have either no resolve (guts), or do not have the competence to handle a national emergency of any sort. Also underneath it all is rampant capitalism that has seen approx 2% of the population owning around 40% of the wealth. I'm okay with capitalism up to point, but not to the extent that both our countries have been subjected to over said 50 years that you speak of. Our govts that we elect should be protecting the People, not only in times of war, but also their safety and lively-hoods as well. In that, the US has failed, betrayed by Big Business which has no patriotic or social responsibility. Communism isn't the answer either. That's a failure at the other end of the same stick. The bulk of the People suffer from a small group who hold all the power, either voted in or from behind the govt, either way. Unless the system changes, the violence and disruptions are not going to stop. And it has often been throughout history, that if the powers that be are not listening to the People, then the People will bring about change. Finally, the News is the News. Anybody with an ounce of common sense knows that the WashPost and Fox tell the same story differently. But certain facts remain in amongst the bias. Sorting those out is the trick of it, not simply rejecting it because "it's the MSM". And along with the US, we get exactly the same news here that people like me can then research further and dredge up evidence that YOUR OWN COUNTRY govts, whoever they were, has condoned disgraceful and outrageous predations on innocent citizens for a very long time. More than 50 years in fact. And when the People wake up to all that, then they may take appropriate actions THROUGH the system instead of against it, and stop blaming ethereal concepts like "the Left" or "far Right" for the nation's troubles. The PTB are not left or right. They are just the PTB, and they hold the People for as long as the People put up with it. Now things are changing. The People are up in protest all over the world through the Covid 19 pandemic, the govt responses and their economic situations. When there is very little hope in sight, the People will take to the streets, whether they are "left" or "right". In the case of America (as elsewhere) much of the protest is over inequality, corruption, erosion of trust in their governing bodies, and the inability of Trump and his govt to make solid arrangements right from the start over the virus. There's ample historical evidence of Trump's non-response and today the US continues to reach new milestones in deaths and number of cases caused either directly or indirectly by Covid 19. It's as I've said, many "recovered" cases haven't recovered at all, and are permanently crippled in some way, even mentally. You can't keep on opening up when this sort of thig is going on and spreading, in the absence of a vaccination, so far. Whether he gets back in or not, Trump's legacy will always be a failure to act, contain, then open up again without causing more waves, the country united against a common enemy, not divided into Trumpians and never-Trumpians etc with America's leader spending much valuable time Tweeting insulting and childish content. There's a long list of nick-names the man gives to those who are opposed for one reason or another, and that carries on into his rallies where even the most cursory examination (yes I have transcripts, NOT MSM) reveal a constant tirade of nothing worthwhile in particular, and repeats of inane phrases for emphasis for his adoring supporters to cheer to, along with criticisms of his opponent based on what MIGHT happen IF he is elected prez. Trump has only a whole lot of very little to actually put before the people supporting him by way of solutions to the the Main Problem, or any other, plus statements which are patently untrue (as usual). He has failed his country as leader, against the most insidious enemy that could have been at least brought down to levels much lower than those in the US today. And with those rising levels by the day, Trump STILL talks nonsense re "turning a/the corner" or "having it under control" when it is clearly nothing of the sort. In the absence of a vaccine, under Trump you will have further encouragement to open up the country, and sycophantic Trumpian state governors are likely to do just that, with further soaring rates of an illness where at least 12% of those "recovered" have continuing debilitating problems including the loss of some brain processes. You think the PTB care about any of that ? The hell they do, and the sooner the People stop fighting each other and focus on who their real enemies are in America, the better.
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Nov 2, 2020 12:51:59 GMT
Post by billfish on Nov 2, 2020 12:51:59 GMT
"A police force given to sudden acts of violence on largely helpless individuals, some who have been killed and others maimed for life. Attacking the Media left right and centre. Macing children. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incidents_during_George_Floyd_protests Rioting in hundred of cities, some for dozens of days/nights on end. Extremists such as Proud Boys or what ever they are named told to stand by, by Trump who has played a huge part in exploiting the divisions that exist before, during, and no doubt will after, whoever gets in. Nowhere else is a gang of racists (not only them) tolerated in any other civilized country, but in America it's part a said 200+ year old constitution for States to have militias, therefore heavily armed groups with military-grade weapons are standing by, as advised by Trump. The President of America. " macky I rarely get involved in theses debates but this is absolute BULLSHIT ! Obviously you haven't seen the videos of HEAVILY armed blacks with military grade weapons in uniforms marching down along roadways demanding "reparations" from motorists who are stranded in traffic And the Proud Boys have done nothing....BTW most of them are not white You have NO idea of what's happening here and only know what the news media feeds you.....99% of which is not true Perhaps you like the idea of white people being dragged out of their cars and beaten and killed ....white business owners beaten and killed and their businesses looted and burned ? This has been happening for months now....over a CRIMINAL named george floyd....fuck him, scum like him are destroying this country and every time there is a justifiable police shooting now, there is rioting. Even when the officers involved are clearly protecting their own lives. If they were looting, burning and killing in your home city, would you be so supportive of them ? And Trump hasn't "advised" any group to stand by You live so far away that you have no idea of what is true here in the U.S. You need to search for both sides of the story Fuckin damn right Billfish mate 👍 I'm fuckin sick to death of these black supremacist BLM cunts crying about how victimised they are while they go out and victimize innocent white people . George floyd can go fuck himself I'm glad the cunts dead he was a piece of shit criminal go check his record . Thanks baz
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Nov 2, 2020 12:59:29 GMT
Post by billfish on Nov 2, 2020 12:59:29 GMT
Come on Matey, I just told you I don't condone violence of any sort. If the police have been told not to make arrests then the system is fucked, isn't it ? They are effectively being told NOT to do their job. And if "communist professors" etc have influenced those in power to make decisions that have adverse effects on American society and allow the country's police force to be attacked without being held to account, then they are weak. That's another example of what I'm saying, America is in trouble. That mob-rule rules, and the State and Federal govt system has failed and is out of date. Send the "communist professors" you speak of out with a few police patrols and see if they still want to advocate "political correctness" on the end of a bottle bouncing off their academic skull, or a bullet whizzing by just missing them by inches. Or not. "The people you are crying over have either attacked the police or are threatening them with bodily harm..." Post where I have ever said that I am crying over ANYBODY who uses violence as a measure to vent their anger, for whatever reason. I believe in law and order for ALL, not lenience for a few exceptions to just let them run wild. if the country is over-run with violence, then it's time for the US to look to tidying up its own back yard instead of just about every one else's around the world. Put out nation-wide announcements that no more gatherings are to take place, place the country under martial law or at least curfew, and sort through the trouble-makers using the military as well as the police. Have them in court and charged and convicted for fomenting riots, bashings and vandalism, intimidation, demands under menaces, and anything else appropriate. Get rid of your weak leaders right down to the local officials that would rather not deal with the problems, even though part of their brief is to do just that. America underneath it all is strong, but your leaders and their sycophants have either no resolve (guts), or do not have the competence to handle a national emergency of any sort. Also underneath it all is rampant capitalism that has seen approx 2% of the population owning around 40% of the wealth. I'm okay with capitalism up to point, but not to the extent that both our countries have been subjected to over said 50 years that you speak of. Our govts that we elect should be protecting the People, not only in times of war, but also their safety and lively-hoods as well. In that, the US has failed, betrayed by Big Business which has no patriotic or social responsibility. Communism isn't the answer either. That's a failure at the other end of the same stick. The bulk of the People suffer from a small group who hold all the power, either voted in or from behind the govt, either way. Unless the system changes, the violence and disruptions are not going to stop. And it has often been throughout history, that if the powers that be are not listening to the People, then the People will bring about change. Finally, the News is the News. Anybody with an ounce of common sense knows that the WashPost and Fox tell the same story differently. But certain facts remain in amongst the bias. Sorting those out is the trick of it, not simply rejecting it because "it's the MSM". And along with the US, we get exactly the same news here that people like me can then research further and dredge up evidence that YOUR OWN COUNTRY govts, whoever they were, has condoned disgraceful and outrageous predations on innocent citizens for a very long time. More than 50 years in fact. And when the People wake up to all that, then they may take appropriate actions THROUGH the system instead of against it, and stop blaming ethereal concepts like "the Left" or "far Right" for the nation's troubles. The PTB are not left or right. They are just the PTB, and they hold the People for as long as the People put up with it. Now things are changing. The People are up in protest all over the world through the Covid 19 pandemic, the govt responses and their economic situations. When there is very little hope in sight, the People will take to the streets, whether they are "left" or "right". In the case of America (as elsewhere) much of the protest is over inequality, corruption, erosion of trust in their governing bodies, and the inability of Trump and his govt to make solid arrangements right from the start over the virus. There's ample historical evidence of Trump's non-response and today the US continues to reach new milestones in deaths and number of cases caused either directly or indirectly by Covid 19. It's as I've said, many "recovered" cases haven't recovered at all, and are permanently crippled in some way, even mentally. You can't keep on opening up when this sort of thig is going on and spreading, in the absence of a vaccination, so far. Whether he gets back in or not, Trump's legacy will always be a failure to act, contain, then open up again without causing more waves, the country united against a common enemy, not divided into Trumpians and never-Trumpians etc with America's leader spending much valuable time Tweeting insulting and childish content. There's a long list of nick-names the man gives to those who are opposed for one reason or another, and that carries on into his rallies where even the most cursory examination (yes I have transcripts, NOT MSM) reveal a constant tirade of nothing worthwhile in particular, and repeats of inane phrases for emphasis for his adoring supporters to cheer to, along with criticisms of his opponent based on what MIGHT happen IF he is elected prez. Trump has only a whole lot of very little to actually put before the people supporting him by way of solutions to the the Main Problem, or any other, plus statements which are patently untrue (as usual). He has failed his country as leader, against the most insidious enemy that could have been at least brought down to levels much lower than those in the US today. And with those rising levels by the day, Trump STILL talks nonsense re "turning a/the corner" or "having it under control" when it is clearly nothing of the sort. In the absence of a vaccine, under Trump you will have further encouragement to open up the country, and sycophantic Trumpian state governors are likely to do just that, with further soaring rates of an illness where at least 12% of those "recovered" have continuing debilitating problems including the loss of some brain processes. You think the PTB care about any of that ? The hell they do, and the sooner the People stop fighting each other and focus on who their real enemies are in America, the better. Macky I'm against quarantines, vaccines and the whole lot of it...we've been lied to about this illness and enough is enough Trump has accomplished more in his 4 short years than any other American president and without the cooperation of the congress and senate The man has been treated horribly as has his family....and for trying to help his country I just read that NZ is creating camps for those who don't want to be vaccinated against the Chinese Virus....is that true ? I say....get back to normal and let Mother nature handle it I'm not here for an argument or debate but you are clearly misinformed about Trump BTW ....we are getting rid of our weak leaders....by reelecting Trump !
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 2, 2020 14:41:32 GMT
Plandemic video @ link. The full documentary is also available there.
Flu happens naturally, each one being somewhat unique although they are coronavirus and respond to the same treatments. A pandemic is declared by some "authority" and the fraud of this one is reinforced by constant MSM repetition.
Please stop drinking the kool-aid.
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Post by moxohol on Nov 2, 2020 16:41:40 GMT
Ppl think that their party holds the key to America's future & that their vote will effect change in the direction of their preferred social outcomes. What most Americans fail to understand is that it's neither the House, Senate or President that shape the vast amount of laws that Americans are governed by. No...it's companies like Lockheed-Martin, Amazon, AT&T, Alphabet, other manufacturers & Big Pharma & don't forget George Soros that actually write the laws. This is important not conspiracy theory to note that it is THEY not the Congressmen or the Senators that warm the seats. It's for this reason besides the 2 parties paying lip service to their base that the government hasn't been run by the ppl, of the ppl, or for the ppl in a very long time. Most of what has occurred leading up to the Electoral College tomorrow has been merely theatre. Nothing has or ever will be changed as long as "K" Street, DC is at full occupancy. Lobbyists actually write the legislation that the congress decides whether they will or will not introduce & vote on. It's been that way for decades as are the paid junkets too. In other countries, it's called a "bribe". Trump, the Federal Reserve, 16th & 17th Amendments & "term limits" should be at the bottom of your list. Y'know, I live in one of the most corrupt nations of the world but at least I get what I pay for in bribery. Can all of u say the same thing living under the auspices of "responsible government"? HAH!
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Post by brothersteve on Nov 2, 2020 17:47:47 GMT
Debates can hit home. Facts are crucial. We can all agree to disagree on issues.
I have seen the Rochester Fire Company video, and others.
The way I see it, no POTUS candidate is a good one, but the wife and I are voting for Trump, not that it matters - it's all rigged to me. Biden now saying things contrary what he said decades ago and I hate his running mate Harris who seems only bent on her own racial prejudice (it's obvious she hates caucasians), which is a HOT topic. I believe in the last 3 words of the Pledge of Allegiance;"....Justice for all." BUT, the USA has failed on so many fronts due to backdoor agendas and monetary greed that we are not a "United' States.
The family unit in black homes is non-existent and from conception are brain washed to believe all whites as bad thus igniting negative stereotypes and influences in their minds. For a young black man to walk past an old white invalid lady and push her over....really? I've seen most of these videos and they've taken them off Youtube due to their agenda.
My father (who was born in Greece and came to the USA age 27) told me at a young age that if a police officer confronts me for any reason, to be civil, ask the reason, comply with his instructions, and if needed ask for an attorney and keep my mouth shut. I have pulled over for speeding and never had a problem, but I don't act out physically or verbally, nor do I get physical or try and take their weapons and I've had no problems thus far at 54 The current times see my actions as weak and won't comply, which seems to end up badly some of the time, especially when it's videoed.
Those perpetrators in the videos show me no employment (how do they make $ and have time to be out so much?), racism toward caucasians, lack of respect, lack of humanity, that they have been brainwashed into those hateful feelings toward action at such a young age.
I've seen a number of Youtube videos of non-caucasian guys with HUGE gun collections that they modified for maximum effectiveness and in the comment sections says things like "they have them, why not us?". Well, I don't have one.
Things here in the USA will get bad whoever wins - THEY (Pelosi, Schumer, Harris, Oacsio-Cortez) will see to it. Marshal law may be here soon. Got to have laws and folks must abide by them.
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Post by billfish on Nov 2, 2020 18:18:37 GMT
The family unit in black homes is non-existent and from conception are brain washed to believe all whites as bad thus igniting negative stereotypes and influences in their minds. For a young black man to walk past an old white invalid lady and push her over....really? I've seen most of these videos and they've taken them off Youtube due to their agenda. BINGO ! My old firehouse was located on a corner across the street from housing projects which were totally black.....when the old folks would go to cash their social security checks the savages would wait until they returned and then mug them on the corner Not content with just robbing them, they would also hurt them needlessly and badly Several times I answered the firehouse door to find some poor old person with a broken nose and teeth knocked out, ribs broken etc....sometimes we would just happen to look out the door window and see someone laid out on the sidewalk unable to even move Only once were we able to catch one of these bastards and we beat the living shit out of him before throwing him headfirst down the cellar stairs Then we called the cops who also beat the balls off this fucking savage before slamming his head into the door frame of the police car before taking him to jail I wish we could have thrown him off the roof 21 years in black neighborhoods has given me a 20/20 view of how these "people" behave and what their preferred way of living is Our cars, the firehouse... robbed, a drugdealing crackhouse literally right next door to my next firehouse and the hordes of the night robbing, raping and selling drugs all over the neighborhood.....fuck them, that's how they like to live.....they are just 'keepin' it real'...and it will never change And do they ever hate white people ! And here is macky defending poor george floyd.....a career criminal and scumbag Killing him was a community service
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