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Oct 28, 2020 17:34:55 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on Oct 28, 2020 17:34:55 GMT
October 16, 2020:
October 17, 2020:
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Oct 28, 2020 19:25:49 GMT
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Post by moxohol on Oct 28, 2020 19:25:49 GMT
"...I've heard that the habitual mask wearers - i.e. health care workers and Religion of Public Health fanatics - are sick or test positive for immune system activation (the CV PCR test) in higher numbers than the unmasked. Can anyone prove that statement to be false with data? If so, I'd like to read it, copy/pasted here on the forum..." =================================== do have a citation for the above named paragraph? Thanks.
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Oct 28, 2020 21:01:03 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on Oct 28, 2020 21:01:03 GMT
"...I've heard that the habitual mask wearers - i.e. health care workers and Religion of Public Health fanatics - are sick or test positive for immune system activation (the CV PCR test) in higher numbers than the unmasked. Can anyone prove that statement to be false with data? If so, I'd like to read it, copy/pasted here on the forum..." =================================== do have a citation for the above named paragraph? Thanks. I'll see what I can find. I think one of the people I heard say that is Dr Judy Mikovits.
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Oct 29, 2020 1:50:56 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on Oct 29, 2020 1:50:56 GMT
HERE'S something. Pretty much the same thing Dr Judy Mikovits says, as I recall:
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Oct 29, 2020 1:55:35 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on Oct 29, 2020 1:55:35 GMT
MORE ..... really? This stuff isn't hard to find. The f'd up thing is that, when people who wear a mask get sick from sucking their own immune system waste back into their lungs and get sick, they're going to blame the people who like to breathe air.
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Oct 29, 2020 3:20:56 GMT
Post by macky on Oct 29, 2020 3:20:56 GMT
MORE ..... really? This stuff isn't hard to find. The f'd up thing is that, when people who wear a mask get sick from sucking their own immune system waste back into their lungs and get sick, they're going to blame the people who like to breathe air. Unlikely. The cause of them getting sick will rapidly be found to be what you are asserting about masks (not necessarily arguing with that) not Covid 19. So it's not f'd up at all. The article you've posted is no evidence that wearing masks for a short period of time (say an hour) under normal casual conditions i.e. browsing around a supermarket, does any harm. I'm an asthmatic and I find that although I'm happy to get the mask off once I'm back in the car, there's no breathing problems brought on by the wearing of it for a short spell. The longest time I've worn it is about an hour. And it's also perfectly obvious in the above article that it's the mis-use of the mask that has caused a serious problem. I mean, how stupid can one get to wear something that may inhibit huge amounts of air required when running around a track. And the idiot that pulled his mask up to sneeze wasn't effectively wearing a mask was he ? And someone else who sneezed or coughed into their mask can take it off and put a new one on, can't they ? I mean, I'm not saying that masks are necessarily any good, but how stupid do these arguments have to get, forwarded by essentially anti-maskers. Along with the rants on here on other threads, I've never seen so much agro over fuck-all. What's the problem wearing a mask just for a little while ? If it's no good, so what ?
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Oct 29, 2020 3:32:23 GMT
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Post by moxohol on Oct 29, 2020 3:32:23 GMT
MORE ..... really? This stuff isn't hard to find. The f'd up thing is that, when people who wear a mask get sick from sucking their own immune system waste back into their lungs and get sick, they're going to blame the people who like to breathe air. I can too but I wanted YOUR source so I can evaluate it. See if I agree with it or not.
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Oct 29, 2020 4:11:49 GMT
Post by macky on Oct 29, 2020 4:11:49 GMT
October 16, 2020: October 17, 2020: Pure bullshit. "No medical pandemic" and Covid 19 "is a normal flu virus". A pandemic in this case is a world-wide spread in large numbers of a particular identified NOVEL (new) coronavirus which has carried off (through direct or indirect action) hundreds of thousands of people who were all alive at the beginning of this year. As yet, there's no vaccine for it. The lady who gave the Covid stats on Ireland should take her meds. That's what's happening, a pandemic. The new coronavirus has been identified in almost all the countries in the world. Comparing it with other causes of death is only an attempt at confusing the issue. Tens of thousands of people in the US lose their lives in traffic accidents every year. Does that mean that traffic safety is ignored, that no new measures are undertaken to try and lower the road toll ? Look at what happened to Sweden when they pretty much did what de Klerk is advocating ? At least 4 times the death toll of all the other Scandinavian countries combined. Is that a serious answer to this new corona virus which scientists are still learning about as we speak ? She's talking untruths, direct denial. And she certainly doesn't speak for the WHO. The wearing of masks and distancing, more hand-washing and quarantining have greatly reduced the virus in NZ ALONG WITH THE MORE COMMON TYPES OF FLU this year, demonstrating that such measures are beneficial. www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/who-doctors-u-turn-on-coronavirus-fake-news-fact-checkwww.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm#:~:text=What%20is%20the%20difference%20between,by%20infection%20with%20influenza%20viruses. Your own country's health people. On the reliability of the tests www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/assessment-and-testing-covid-19/how-covid-19-testing-workswww.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/assessment-and-testing-covid-19/covid-19-test-results-and-their-accuracy#:~:text=A%20recent%20laboratory%20study%20found,result%2096%25%20of%20the%20time.
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Oct 29, 2020 5:26:35 GMT
Post by macky on Oct 29, 2020 5:26:35 GMT
By the way, the dame who said that only 98 have died in Ireland or something along those lines is a Dolores Cahill, a professor from the medical school of the University College in Dublin.
"Cahill has found herself under fire from both her university, which issued a statement disassociating itself from her views, and the European Union, which asked her to resign from an EU medical panel."
Not unexpected. Moongazing knows no limits even on academic levels.
As for de Klerk, a relatively youngish out-speaker finding her self a niche in world medical history as the "One Who Told The Real Truth" on Covid 19, a GP with no known credentials for scientific research on Covid 19 or epidemiology.
Bit like that shady looking rooster Atlas, a radiologist advising the prezzy with no known credentials re epidemiology, or the control thereof.
de Klerk reminds me of another lady who went around on a NZ religious crusade in the 80's when everything was being overturned in the country, with the same wide-eyed satisfaction that she was told by God and several people in Parliament (who were only filling her up) about the coming armed revolution involving NZ and other countries taking over, including Libya.
Her gathering even went as far as selling all their houses and the whole crew shifting to Australia to escape NZ. As expected by those still with a few brains to think with, nothing happened.
And the minister over in Mt Roskill in Auckland here who told his fundamentalist flock that the whole Covid 19 thing was a fraud. I hope he had the grace to apologize for his bullshit when his church became a site of a Covid 19 infection cluster.
In addition, Trump's "fake news" seems to have taken on a life of its own in the minds of many, along with MSM. Youtube is MSM as well. And the above two videos are an example of it. Fake news, that is.....
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Post by brothersteve on Oct 29, 2020 17:57:43 GMT
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Post by macky on Oct 29, 2020 20:54:37 GMT
The distrust in the MSM in these last decades has grown enormously. The problem is that some of the MSM bullshit and bias has been found to be true. But the simple brushing off of all news just because it's "MSM" is dangerous, because quite often there are important pieces of pertinent information that are absolutely correct.
Wikipedia could be labelled MSM because of its largely conservative stance (despite it being accused of left-leaning), but in amongst the articles on 9-11 for example, we find outstanding (to those who are alert) contradictions to the US Govt Official Story of who the perps were supposed to be.
That can lead to further examination of US govt's own agencies' files (FBI, BTS etc), something that wasn't possible before the Internet with such ease. Those files themselves clearly contradict the Official Story in many cases.
The Internet has resulted in so much info now becoming available that was generally hidden from public access before, but even then, when it's obvious that said Official Story contradictions are in plain site, people will still stick to the accepted "fact" that 19 Islamic terrorists funded and planned by Osama Bin Laden carried out the four aircraft attacks.
They believe that what they were told on the day of 9-11 and thereafter was and is true. Their belief system does not allow them to examine anything to the contrary. It's automatically labelled as tin-foil hattery, conspiracy theory nuts etc etc .
The trick is to try and lay aside any personal bias and sort out what is true and what is not. Not use the opinion that just because it's MSM (for example) it's automatically bullshit.
The two videos above of Ms Wide-eyes de Klerk talking "facts" that are directly against what scientists have learned so far, that Covid 19 IS a new virus which unlike other forms of flu, there is no vaccine as yet. That it has spread to nearly every country in the world, identified as Covid 19, and that either directly or indirectly has caused widespread death and illness.
It's not enough to say "most have recovered and carried on with their lives" as some sort of reason why everybody should not bother to take as any more than just another flu. Those that recover still infect others that may not while they were sick. Others have shown no symptoms or illness and still infected others, a very dangerous situation.
AND there is a growing evidence of post-covid 19 sufferers who months later are still damaged in many ways, by all means appearing permanent. Covid 19 has been proven to damage any part of the body, more so than any other "normal" flu.
AND there is a growing amount of speculation after some research (as yet indefinite) that immunity built up post-Covid episode is lost by half every 36 days. That is still to be generally confirmed but it is an example of ongoing research by SCIENTISTS, NOT a GP who's "ground-breaking" assertions seemed to have gathered some nitwits around her, like Dolores Cahill etc.
And I'd like to see Ms de Klerk provide a list or at least some evidence of those alleged numbers of nurses etc that refuse to partake of the vaccine when and if it's ready for distribution.
It looks like the Covid-denialists are sometimes becoming near-religious in their assertions that nothing unusual is going on. Well prove it then, I'm listening. But prove it.
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Post by mr potatohead on Oct 31, 2020 12:24:50 GMT
To read THIS entire article, skip over the two opinion polls on Biden and Faux-chi. Sweden has a population of 10,000,000 and deaths from covid are at ~ 6K (5,918 late October) ....... that's .06%. So, 99.94% of Sweden's population is surviving the flu season ........ as usual.
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Post by pierinifitness on Oct 31, 2020 15:50:59 GMT
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Oct 31, 2020 20:21:51 GMT
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Oct 31, 2020 20:25:11 GMT
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