Mr Average
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Post by Mr Average on May 30, 2020 12:17:52 GMT
All you have to do is fake a weight. You can increase you squat, bench press, deadlift, curls or any other body part you want. All this is endorsed by that well known fitness trainer. (rofl)
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Post by mr potatohead on May 30, 2020 12:45:01 GMT
After I heard Jeff Cavalier go on and on about the importance of doing full ROM .... was the last time I paid any attention to him.
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Post by jrmeatplow on May 30, 2020 14:04:07 GMT
I personally can't stand the way he looks or his gym and I can't say why. Just don't like it.
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Post by moxohol on May 31, 2020 19:45:48 GMT
After I heard Jeff Cavalier go on and on about the importance of doing full ROM .... was the last time I paid any attention to him. ROM is important for the development of proprioceptive strength in myofibillular protein & the resetting of Golgi Tendon Organ. ROM is not needed for building muscle. Static Contraction Training & Isometronics are examples that contradict ROM.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on May 31, 2020 23:36:09 GMT
After a lifetime of building the wrong kind of muscle, it's too late for me, anyway.
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Post by moxohol on Jun 1, 2020 20:15:06 GMT
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Post by moxohol on Jun 1, 2020 20:17:53 GMT
After a lifetime of building the wrong kind of muscle, it's too late for me, anyway. Longstrength & isometrics done as PAP compliment each other very well. All the components of fitness are served.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 1, 2020 21:42:38 GMT
What is Longstrength? What is PAP?
Thanks!
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Post by moxohol on Jun 1, 2020 22:59:52 GMT
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 15:48:59 GMT
What is Longstrength? What is PAP? Thanks! Longstrength is a term that Dr. Leonard Schwartz, the inventor of Heavyhands, created: He didn't use the term Longstrength in his 1982 publication (at least I couldn't find it), but, the term became more common as people adapted it to various exercises that resembled Heavyhands. Schwartz also came up with the idea of "PanX" -- a workout apparatus that resembled a combo dip/chin rack one might see in a sporting goods store. The links to McKean's site show some pictures similar to Schwartz' machine (https://strengthendurance.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/pan-x-apparatus.png) BTW, Schwartz was a fascinating guy: served in World War II in the Pacific (on the front line as a SeaBee, if I recall), came home and married the love of his life Millie who passed away several years before Dr. Schwartz. He swam, played baseball growing up and took up "jogging" to try to stay fit/combat the additional weight he was putting on. After injuring his hamstring, he was playing around with some small weights in his basement and HHs were born. He went from 18% to 4% bodyfat with his method without any special dietary changes. (He loved the local delis in Pittsburgh -- would brag about their various breads.) His daughter said even in his 70s and early 80s, he had teenagers, college students ask him how much he lifted, how his arms were so jacked. I'm sure being lean helped, but, the method definitely worked for him.
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 16:07:44 GMT
After I heard Jeff Cavalier go on and on about the importance of doing full ROM .... was the last time I paid any attention to him. ROM is important for the development of proprioceptive strength in myofibillular protein & the resetting of Golgi Tendon Organ. ROM is not needed for building muscle. Static Contraction Training & Isometronics are examples that contradict ROM. I'd also suggest this: if your activity or sport requires the performance of full ROM exercises (eg powerlifting), then, it would be important to use this method. For longer term safety, partials and isometrics will pretty much accomplish the same results with reduced risk of placing connective tissue in a compromised position, or, subject them to the (potential) wear and tear created by repetitive exercise. As noted by moxohol, Pete Sisco/John Little validated this performing studies with average guys in their 30s, 40s, etc., with so-so genetics like me producing very good results. Same with partial reps: again, Sisco's Power Factor training showed you don't need full ROM to get great results via individuals who used the approach to add LBM. Unfortunately, the Bro Science claims are still pretty pervasive.
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Post by moxohol on Jun 2, 2020 16:10:04 GMT
What is Longstrength? What is PAP? Thanks! Longstrength is a term that Dr. Leonard Schwartz, the inventor of Heavyhands, created: He didn't use the term Longstrength in his 1982 publication (at least I couldn't find it), but, the term became more common as people adapted it to various exercises that resembled Heavyhands. Schwartz also came up with the idea of "PanX" -- a workout apparatus that resembled a combo dip/chin rack one might see in a sporting goods store. The links to McKean's site show some pictures similar to Schwartz' machine (https://strengthendurance.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/pan-x-apparatus.png) BTW, Schwartz was a fascinating guy: served in World War II in the Pacific (on the front line as a SeaBee, if I recall), came home and married the love of his life Millie who passed away several years before Dr. Schwartz. He swam, played baseball growing up and took up "jogging" to try to stay fit/combat the additional weight he was putting on. After injuring his hamstring, he was playing around with some small weights in his basement and HHs were born. He went from 18% to 4% bodyfat with his method without any special dietary changes. (He loved the local delis in Pittsburgh -- would brag about their various breads.) His daughter said even in his 70s and early 80s, he had teenagers, college students ask him how much he lifted, how his arms were so jacked. I'm sure being lean helped, but, the method definitely worked for him. Still died of cancer at 80 after all that exercising. You'd think he'd live to at least like 95 like Jack Lalanne? Oh well. It's Thioflavin T for me then.
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Post by TexasRanger on Jun 2, 2020 16:24:41 GMT
Still died of cancer at 80 after all that exercising. You'd think he'd live to at least like 95 like Jack Lalanne? Oh well. It's Thioflavin T for me then. He made it to 84, but, you're correct -- it does make one wonder. (I believe he said his late wife also passed away from cancer.) But, western Pennsylvania and especially Allegheny County where Pittsburgh is located is in the top 5% for cancer "hot spots" in the US. I think there are areas in New Jersey and NY (Rochester/Buffalo) that are #1 for this horrible statistic. Generated this map off of statecancerprofiles.cancer.gov/
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 2, 2020 16:36:46 GMT
ROM is important for the development of proprioceptive strength in myofibillular protein & the resetting of Golgi Tendon Organ. ROM is not needed for building muscle. Static Contraction Training & Isometronics are examples that contradict ROM. I'd also suggest this: if your activity or sport requires the performance of full ROM exercises (eg powerlifting), then, it would be important to use this method. For longer term safety, partials and isometrics will pretty much accomplish the same results with reduced risk of placing connective tissue in a compromised position, or, subject them to the (potential) wear and tear created by repetitive exercise. As noted by moxohol, Pete Sisco/John Little validated this performing studies with average guys in their 30s, 40s, etc., with so-so genetics like me producing very good results. Same with partial reps: again, Sisco's Power Factor training showed you don't need full ROM to get great results via individuals who used the approach to add LBM. Unfortunately, the Bro Science claims are still pretty pervasive. Yeah, it would have been better if I had emphasized FULL ROM. No doubt some amount of ROM is a very good thing. I do about 1 exercise that I'd call full ROM, and there are some tensioning exercises that I do with no ROM (yielding or overcoming isometric). Most of the exercise I do has some amount of ROM, even if it is quite short at times. I do lots of different moves and holds after picking up a weight and playing with it before I finish and put it back down, so it's hard for me to split it up into, "this is full ROM and this isn't", since it all kinda moves from one thing to another until I feel it.
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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 2, 2020 16:57:22 GMT
The first time I heard of "periodization" was when whiffet mentioned it on the old Zen forum once. I don't have a rigid schedule for it, but I do change the exercises that I choose from my menu from time to time ..... go with whatever I become obsessive about. Lately, it's been my standards plus using an ~10kg stone. Not a lot of weight, but it becomes heavier after a while since I don't put it down until I'm done moving it around.
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