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Post by TexasRanger on Dec 16, 2021 15:56:43 GMT
This is him before, midway and after. It looks like light manipulation/fat loss/after workout pump to me. I read months ago (I cite from memory) he gained like 20 or 30 pounds in that period, I don't see it. From his website: X3BAR CAN BUILD MUSCLE GAINS 3X FASTER THAN TRADITIONAL TRAINING. Yeah... Also, his idea about phase A, B and C sounds like a bad version of forced reps, I have consulted with a physiotherapist and it is not safe, could irritate tendon/ligament quite easily. He states from 15 to 40 reps. Did he use any TRT or GH? Just wondering since he seems like an older guy. On the pics? Look at the far right picture. He appears to have the beginnings of gyno. As for the claims he used his product to work out? Sure, I can believe the X3 bar was the tool he used instead of weights. As for getting jacked? Thats is an entirely different story.
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Post by TexasRanger on Dec 16, 2021 16:21:45 GMT
TR, Regarding the joint-friendly thing it is the exact opposite (if you do it Jaquish style), I will explain why: -he advocates going to failure in a very particular way -the reps will become short and hard, and shorter and harder, until no movement occurs -that is a sure way of irritating the joints, as a physiotherapist explained to me: the more the muscle gives up, the more the joint takes over, which means more wear occurs -as the muscle is giving up in several reps as you approach no movement, that will take its toll on joints -I described the concept of forced reps and the likes, the therapist said that in her opinion the safest one for the joints would be partner-assisted negatives BUT that it would probably still be too much in the long run The Jaquish thing is very different than a "normal" failure in which you stop when you cannot complete the rep no matter what, also the nature of elastic bands makes it different than the weights or bodyweight failure. I have gone to failure using Bruce's bands and handles/bar, HIT style, as ever it drains me and ends up being unfun. But, the way failure approaches is very hard, I would say more than bodyweight or rock/sandbags, because of the variable resistance of the bands. Regarding the joint friendly thing, I found bands to be similar to those other disciplines when going to "normal" failure. Hi jonrock, Great post and thanks. If I could offer some feedback for discussion? I've had a similar discussion with my Ortho and a friend who ran the Physical Therapy group for a large hospital about weight training and they said when doing resistance training, you're creating wear and tear on your joints, cartilage. It is a matter of the amount of weight, the number of reps, etc., etc. eg High volume push up advocates can end up with shoulder problems as easily as bench pressers. Just a different way of getting there. The joint stays under load during a lift -- what changes is the direction of the force as you move through the positive or negative portions of the exercise. An isometric movement eliminates part of this issue as the force is only in a single direction and Dr. Harry Wu, who wrote a great book on isometrics, said the wonderful thing about isometrics is you don't 'irritate' the soft and connective tissue nor continue to wear down the joints as aggressively as repetitve movements under load. And you probably remember the infamous Dr. Crunch, think he was a chiro, who advocated isometrics for this reason and the fact synovial fluid decreases as we age, hence less protection in the joints on top of the wear and tear of cartilage, etc. Interesting! Were isometrics discussed at all? In a galaxy years ago and far away, I did Nautilus, trained with Mike Mentzer via HD style (paid him for several workouts) and more recently have done SuperSlow training at a couple of different gyms. Unfun is probably an understatement...I could do that style for a couple of months (and probably saw my best results) but that was it. I have tried to use my Bodylastics HIT style, but to load up enough resistance is pretty ridiculous on those handles and then trying to manuever myself into place (fighting the bands the whole way) was a hassle, so I have no way honestly comparing. But, good food for thought and would be curious on the isometrics.
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Post by TexasRanger on Dec 16, 2021 16:54:23 GMT
The X3 package is yet another exploitation of the belief that high price = high fitness . Meanwhile, just use a pipe or wooden dowel as a bar . Experiment with different diameters while at Home Depot with your band; I like 1.5" . A flat band wrapped multiple times around your bar is a way to increase resistance. As usual be mindful of band breakage; wear safety glasses . In my case, it isn't price = fitness. It is convenience, potentially the quality of the material that caught my eye based on several things I read. The pricing is ridiculous, however. And jonrock provided some good feedback on the X3 workout program.
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Post by captkronos on Dec 16, 2021 16:57:57 GMT
The veins popping out in his forehead and all over the arms make me suspect PEDs. Also not that much of a difference really in his pics, except flexing and shadows in the last pic. Just use Nerve Force and imagine you spent $500 on it and imagine (pretend) you are using it. Then get the right lighting and flex.
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Post by gruntbrain on Dec 16, 2021 20:27:33 GMT
In the good old days, I was often able to "try before buy" but that infrequently happens currently . At least there's Thrift Shops, Flea Markets, and Play it Again Sports stores .
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Post by MBS on Dec 16, 2021 20:45:13 GMT
This is him before, midway and after. It looks like light manipulation/fat loss/after workout pump to me. I read months ago (I cite from memory) he gained like 20 or 30 pounds in that period, I don't see it. From his website: X3BAR CAN BUILD MUSCLE GAINS 3X FASTER THAN TRADITIONAL TRAINING. Yeah... Also, his idea about phase A, B and C sounds like a bad version of forced reps, I have consulted with a physiotherapist and it is not safe, could irritate tendon/ligament quite easily. He states from 15 to 40 reps. Last, but not least: m.facebook.com/dbhit/posts/2084798074917734Did he use any TRT or GH? Just wondering since he seems like an older guy. Looks like some photoshop on the far right pic.
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Post by jonrock on Dec 16, 2021 21:46:06 GMT
TR, the thing that she did not like (she is my girl, btw) is that as I demonstrated the Jaquish until failure thing (with Bruce bands and handles, a chest press) was that I got to failure in many reps until the last one where I could not even separate my arms from my torso. I agree, there are many ways that wear the joints, but she felt this one in particular woyld go much faster.
As for the isos, as long as they contraction is not too sudden or explosive, going from 0 to 100% in a few seconds or doing 1 or 2 warmup short sets, she really liked them. Not only for strength training, but the potential application for patients with impaired mobility, be it neural or physical. I have ideas regarding that.
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Post by TexasRanger on Dec 16, 2021 21:52:41 GMT
TR, the thing that she did not like (she is my girl, btw) is that as I demonstrated the Jaquish until failure thing (with Bruce bands and handles, a chest press) was that I got to failure in many reps until the last one where I could not even separate my arms from my torso. I agree, there are many ways that wear the joints, but she felt this one in particular woyld go much faster. As for the isos, as long as they contraction is not too sudden or explosive, going from 0 to 100% in a few seconds or doing 1 or 2 warmup short sets, she really liked them. Not only for strength training, but the potential application for patients with impaired mobility, be it neural or physical. I have ideas regarding that. So, based on her feedback anything you've learned or applied to your program, or, changed up? And nice sunset pic, btw. Are you able to share where? Have a number on the personal server from over the years.
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Post by Michael on Dec 16, 2021 22:47:00 GMT
Re-reading Chandu's posts, he's right on. Good posts by Jonrock and Texas, especially TR questions.
Most people on the internet photo shop there pictures or use special lighting. You see guys that are skinny as heck or a little heavy that can make themselves look much better then they really are with the right lighting and computer aide.
Here's a question for Jonrock to add to this discussion. What does she think about partials whether with weights or bands? You know, like Jason from Natural Gallant Bodybuilding. His saying is train the muscle not the joint.
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Post by Michael on Dec 16, 2021 23:36:14 GMT
Texas, thought You could get some ideas from this video for the bands You have now.
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Post by jonrock on Dec 16, 2021 23:43:19 GMT
TR, the thing that she did not like (she is my girl, btw) is that as I demonstrated the Jaquish until failure thing (with Bruce bands and handles, a chest press) was that I got to failure in many reps until the last one where I could not even separate my arms from my torso. I agree, there are many ways that wear the joints, but she felt this one in particular woyld go much faster. As for the isos, as long as they contraction is not too sudden or explosive, going from 0 to 100% in a few seconds or doing 1 or 2 warmup short sets, she really liked them. Not only for strength training, but the potential application for patients with impaired mobility, be it neural or physical. I have ideas regarding that. So, based on her feedback anything you've learned or applied to your program, or, changed up? And nice sunset pic, btw. Are you able to share where? Have a number on the personal server from over the years. Taking into account that I have my back fused due to scoliosis surgery: -partials/isos that load a lot the spine are not good for my lower back apart from doing them occasionally, once every few weeks is fine...she advised me but I had to learn it the hard way (nothing serious, but enough for me to see where it leads)...constant training with heavy partials will be hard for anyone's joints sooner or later, as I have seen/read in others -explosive movements when doing isos are very prone to joint "misuse/hurt", if you don't create enough tension beforehand (Pavel thing/Sherrington law), but even with enough tension, it is easy to "tweak" something...not only for me due to my back, but for anyone -I am happy that you like the photo: it is from Cabo de Gata, south Spain, summer 2019. Great times, my girl and I travelled the south in a camper van. I will update the profile pic whenever I have something better, now I look better (IMO) but that moment and place was magical.
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Post by jonrock on Dec 17, 2021 0:05:34 GMT
Re-reading Chandu's posts, he's right on. Good posts by Jonrock and Texas, especially TR questions. Most people on the internet photo shop there pictures or use special lighting. You see guys that are skinny as heck or a little heavy that can make themselves look much better then they really are with the right lighting and computer aide. Here's a question for Jonrock to add to this discussion. What does she think about partials whether with weights or bands? You know, like Jason from Natural Gallant Bodybuilding. His saying is train the muscle not the joint. Michael, she likes them with bands (weights were never discussed as I don't use them), the nature of bands' variable resistance and the fact that you choose the ROM that suits you best for your goals/capabilities makes them a very good option, particularly for people with limited ROM. As for overloading the body structure well above the muscular limits with partials, she thinks it is not necessary (and that it will lead to problems/injuries in the long run), but for me it is an undescribable feeling: to simulate some oldtimers moves with springs, bands, straps and Hooks is second to none. I am not so sure about the joint VS muscle debate today: I know in the past people like Zass talked about it (tendon strength), but their academic knowledge was more limited, it was a way of describing strength in their systems. It does not matter, of course, because what matters are results, they had PLENTY.
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Post by TexasRanger on Dec 17, 2021 14:17:58 GMT
Texas, thought You could get some ideas from this video for the bands You have now. He nails it at :50. I'll load up the Bodylastics handles, get into position and then lean/lower myself into my knees. But, you're fighting the bands the entire way to get into position as the gentleman in the video notes. I have this image in my head of an old 3 Stooges or Looney Toons scene where some workout cables yank the main character backwards and through the wall (or the door in my case).
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Dec 17, 2021 19:05:06 GMT
Some of the guys on the strandpulling forum like to use 15+ reps. I've found that I get on a lot better with bands when I use a resistance I can get 20+ reps. Even higher reps for leg work. Getting in position is a lot easier.
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Post by Michael on Dec 17, 2021 23:31:11 GMT
Like Bruv pretty much said, bands lend themselves better to higher reps. I would say from my own experience, below 8 reps may be a hassle.
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