ganesha
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Dec 16, 2019 0:34:42 GMT
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Post by ganesha on Dec 16, 2019 0:34:42 GMT
Yes. I have been recently using the Hook with some very heavy flat bands I purchased from EliteFTS.
Can't easily post images or I would.
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Dec 16, 2019 0:40:13 GMT
Post by mr potatohead on Dec 16, 2019 0:40:13 GMT
That's my bitch about this probored foam. No way to post pix.
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Post by chanduthemagician on Dec 16, 2019 2:00:22 GMT
If he's a medical doctor, I'll bet the first prescription he wrote was for a PED. He's not over the top, but he's got that 'roider look about him.
Lots of devices to prey on those that want the "sure" thing. The more I train the more I think I'd look the same whether I did high reps, low reps, high volume, low volume, isometrics, whatever. They way our bodies adapt to strength training is largely predetermined for each of us, I believe. Lots of teachers out there have to convince you otherwise so you'll buy into their methodology.
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Michael
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Dec 16, 2019 2:09:40 GMT
Post by Michael on Dec 16, 2019 2:09:40 GMT
Well, put Chandu.
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ganesha
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Dec 16, 2019 2:52:54 GMT
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Post by ganesha on Dec 16, 2019 2:52:54 GMT
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Dave Reslo
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Post by Dave Reslo on Dec 16, 2019 20:30:23 GMT
Lots of devices to prey on those that want the "sure" thing. The more I train the more I think I'd look the same whether I did high reps, low reps, high volume, low volume, isometrics, whatever. They way our bodies adapt to strength training is largely predetermined for each of us, I believe. Lots of teachers out there have to convince you otherwise so you'll buy into their methodology. Hard agree, it's fun to talk about new ideas and different kinds of strength but in the end it's mostly all bullshit and you should just train whatever way you enjoy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 22:08:14 GMT
If he's a medical doctor, I'll bet the first prescription he wrote was for a PED. He's not over the top, but he's got that 'roider look about him. Lots of devices to prey on those that want the "sure" thing. The more I train the more I think I'd look the same whether I did high reps, low reps, high volume, low volume, isometrics, whatever. They way our bodies adapt to strength training is largely predetermined for each of us, I believe. Lots of teachers out there have to convince you otherwise so you'll buy into their methodology. I agree -- I've noticed that how I train makes very little difference to how I look.
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ganesha
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Post by ganesha on Dec 16, 2019 23:54:00 GMT
While I would never buy this massively overpriced system it does lead me to think about the possibilities of heavy bands with bars and some sort of anchoring base.
There are some compelling possibilities.
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Dave Reslo
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Dec 17, 2019 0:27:50 GMT
Post by Dave Reslo on Dec 17, 2019 0:27:50 GMT
Interesting! I wonder if the study he bases his 4 x bodyweight thing on is also nonsense. It turns out it's not; it was a study on hip bone density of adolescents. Forces were measured during whatever activity they were into; the 4.1x threshold was reached during jumping or about one step in every 10 during what they classed as "fast" running (greater than about 7 mph).
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ganesha
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Dec 17, 2019 1:21:34 GMT
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Post by ganesha on Dec 17, 2019 1:21:34 GMT
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Post by chanduthemagician on Dec 17, 2019 4:47:36 GMT
At 1:12 this guy equates average american cholesterol score to "normal" normal is a medically determined range and nothing to do with average of the population. It' is essentially what is "normal" for a healthy human. I thought other parts of this were good.
Seeing how "honest" the good doc is, I now am even more convinced he's a shortcut taker, so definitely PEDS.
And sakes alive it's metA analysis, NOT metanalysis. Not sure why that drove me nuts but it did.
I think Dr. Jaquish should spend a weekend with Steve Justa. I have a feeling he'd be leaving Harvard with a barbell up his ass.
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Post by TexasRanger on Dec 16, 2021 1:56:46 GMT
If he's a medical doctor, I'll bet the first prescription he wrote was for a PED. He's not over the top, but he's got that 'roider look about him. Lots of devices to prey on those that want the "sure" thing. The more I train the more I think I'd look the same whether I did high reps, low reps, high volume, low volume, isometrics, whatever. They way our bodies adapt to strength training is largely predetermined for each of us, I believe. Lots of teachers out there have to convince you otherwise so you'll buy into their methodology. Well said and I finally realized this reality years ago and stopped chasing the elusive golden program, as it it doesn't exist...just bad ones that could get you hurt, create a scenario where you're overtrained, etc. Sorry for re-starting this whole discussion, but here are some thoughts/questions for the group: 1. The bands look intriguing as they seem to 'fit' within a decent ROM for most people. Other bands such as Samson or Bodylastics -- for me -- have a specific sweet spot. 2. Unlike my Bodylastics, it appears you're able to do 'chest' pressing fairly easily whereas with the Bodylastics bands you need to anchor the bands on a door frame behind you. 3. With Bodylastics, you've got to clip quite a few bands on a handle to get some decent resistance and then get yourself into position for chest presses which can be a hassle. OTOH... - Bands do allow you to experience the highest amount of tension at the strongest point of the movement, least amount at the 'weakest'. Thinking that is much more joint friendly. Anyone have other thoughts on this? - The recommended workout, explained by Janquish, sounds intriguing. Has anyone tried it or anything close? (I like the brevity of the workout.) Other factors I like besides the short workouts is the fact you're not worrying about dragging out your weights -- DBs, KBs, bench, etc. Just grab the bar & bands and hit it. The price is the biggest deterent, IMHO...sure you can return it if the product doesn't work for you but there are multiple negative reports on the X3 site about returns and customer service. (But, comparing it with knock-offs the X3 Bar still gets a better overall score via similar products on Amazon, for example.)
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Post by jonrock on Dec 16, 2021 9:39:16 GMT
TR, Regarding the joint-friendly thing it is the exact opposite (if you do it Jaquish style), I will explain why: -he advocates going to failure in a very particular way -the reps will become short and hard, and shorter and harder, until no movement occurs -that is a sure way of irritating the joints, as a physiotherapist explained to me: the more the muscle gives up, the more the joint takes over, which means more wear occurs -as the muscle is giving up in several reps as you approach no movement, that will take its toll on joints -I described the concept of forced reps and the likes, the therapist said that in her opinion the safest one for the joints would be partner-assisted negatives BUT that it would probably still be too much in the long run
The Jaquish thing is very different than a "normal" failure in which you stop when you cannot complete the rep no matter what, also the nature of elastic bands makes it different than the weights or bodyweight failure.
I have gone to failure using Bruce's bands and handles/bar, HIT style, as ever it drains me and ends up being unfun. But, the way failure approaches is very hard, I would say more than bodyweight or rock/sandbags, because of the variable resistance of the bands. Regarding the joint friendly thing, I found bands to be similar to those other disciplines when going to "normal" failure.
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Dec 16, 2021 14:26:38 GMT
Post by brothersteve on Dec 16, 2021 14:26:38 GMT
This is him before, midway and after. It looks like light manipulation/fat loss/after workout pump to me. I read months ago (I cite from memory) he gained like 20 or 30 pounds in that period, I don't see it. From his website: X3BAR CAN BUILD MUSCLE GAINS 3X FASTER THAN TRADITIONAL TRAINING. Yeah... Also, his idea about phase A, B and C sounds like a bad version of forced reps, I have consulted with a physiotherapist and it is not safe, could irritate tendon/ligament quite easily. He states from 15 to 40 reps. Last, but not least: m.facebook.com/dbhit/posts/2084798074917734Did he use any TRT or GH? Just wondering since he seems like an older guy.
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Post by gruntbrain on Dec 16, 2021 15:27:07 GMT
The X3 package is yet another exploitation of the belief that high price = high fitness . Meanwhile, just use a pipe or wooden dowel as a bar . Experiment with different diameters while at Home Depot with your band; I like 1.5" . A flat band wrapped multiple times around your bar is a way to increase resistance. As usual be mindful of band breakage; wear safety glasses .
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