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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 5, 2017 19:39:23 GMT
All you have done is what was done countless times at the old forum. You have used studies on isometric exercises and then claimed these as some sort of proof that that a particular non isometric training method works. The studies do not demonstrate this at all. In the immortal words of Jay Cutler: "I don't give a shit what studies show, I did my learning from Zane and Schwarzenegger."
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 7, 2017 21:29:41 GMT
Sorry, Bruv, I found your reply only now. Oct 4, 2017 at 9:46am BigBruvOfEnglandUK said: “All you have done is what was done countless times at the old forum.” Ans: Do you want something new? Nothing new under moon… “You have used studies on isometric exercises and then claimed these as some sort of proof that that a particular non isometric training method works. The studies do not demonstrate this at all." Ans: Everyone who is familiar with physiology can tell you that if the muscle gains strength in static it can express this strength in dynamic. Tension is tension.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 7, 2017 21:50:13 GMT
Don't try to baffle me with bullshit. The studies do not show what you want them to show. They ONLY show strength gains from isometric exercises. They did not experiment with dynamic tensing exercises in those studies. We have been over this countless times on the old forum. It's the same studies over and over with the same results. Posting them every 6 months doesn't change anything.
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 7, 2017 22:38:06 GMT
Honestly, I do not care about someone opinion. My experience for several years shows me that co-contraction exercises provide gaining muscle mass and muscle strength that are sufficient for me.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 7, 2017 23:06:35 GMT
Honestly, I do not care about someone opinion. My experience for several years shows me that co-contraction exercises provide gaining muscle mass and muscle strength that are sufficient for me. Hear! Hear!
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 7, 2017 23:29:46 GMT
Honestly, I do not care about someone opinion. My experience for several years shows me that co-contraction exercises provide gaining muscle mass and muscle strength that are sufficient for me. Hear! Hear! And look!
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Oct 7, 2017 23:33:13 GMT
Honestly, I do not care about someone opinion. My experience for several years shows me that co-contraction exercises provide gaining muscle mass and muscle strength that are sufficient for me. So why post irrelevant studies? Just post your experience, m8
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 8, 2017 0:00:30 GMT
Honestly, I do not care about someone opinion. My experience for several years shows me that co-contraction exercises provide gaining muscle mass and muscle strength that are sufficient for me. What do you mean by strength? Do you mean virtual strength or practical strength, because in the normal world and also in the sporting world the biggest is not always the strongest or the most powerful. Anyone can look good, bodybuilders have been proving that for years, but I have seen some of them try worlds strongest man over the years and never get past the heats.
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 8, 2017 0:02:25 GMT
"So why post irrelevant studies? Just post your experience, m8"
I did it, but many people do not trust personal experience without scientific ground. Therefore, I used indirect evidences. Maybe I was wrong.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 8, 2017 0:10:07 GMT
You weren't wrong, Seekietoes. Any information posted on this forum is appreciated. Does the study you posted, in fact, validate your training method?
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 8, 2017 0:12:07 GMT
Honestly, I do not care about someone opinion. My experience for several years shows me that co-contraction exercises provide gaining muscle mass and muscle strength that are sufficient for me. What do you mean by strength? Do you mean virtual strength or practical strength, because in the normal world and also in the sporting world the biggest is not always the strongest or the most powerful. Anyone can look good, bodybuilders have been proving that for years, but I have seen some of them try worlds strongest man over the years and never get past the heats. I mean the practical strength, when I can place 70 lbs outboard motor on my boat or lift my lawn mower in the vertical position to change the blades. This level of strength is enough for my goals in my 67.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 8, 2017 0:23:11 GMT
Again, hear! Hear! I'll be 69 next month (my favorite number), and I'm certainly not the strongest guy in the neighborhood, but I'm stronger than the average bear, and that's just fine with me.
At least Seeker isn't claiming "off-the-charts-over-the-top" strength. Frankly, I admire Seeker for pursuing and sticking with this very unique form of training. I don't give a shit if it or any other protocol is the ultimate in developing muscle, strength, endurance, or whatever. I just like to see people who have made an exercise routine a part of their lives and who stick with it. Especially us older guys.
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Post by Bob50 on Oct 8, 2017 0:24:03 GMT
You weren't wrong, Seekietoes. Any information posted on this forum is appreciated. Does the study you posted, in fact, validate your training method? I believe that these studies could validate co-contraction method because I do not see a big difference between muscle contractions during static and dynamic loading. The increase in static performance should results in the increase of dynamic one and vise versa.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Oct 8, 2017 0:26:02 GMT
Well, alrighty, then.
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Post by Mr Average on Oct 8, 2017 0:26:50 GMT
What do you mean by strength? Do you mean virtual strength or practical strength, because in the normal world and also in the sporting world the biggest is not always the strongest or the most powerful. Anyone can look good, bodybuilders have been proving that for years, but I have seen some of them try worlds strongest man over the years and never get past the heats. I mean the practical strength, when I can place 70 lbs outboard motor on my boat or lift my lawn mower in the vertical position to change the blades. This level of strength is enough for my goals in my 67. The reason I asked is because, 1 of my work mates is 72 and has only done manual work all his life, he is 66 inches tall about 170 lbs in weight with a gut and lifts and moves things around all day long the same as the rest of us.
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