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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 23, 2019 13:46:57 GMT
Which claim in particular do you fond questionable? ..... The claim on page 14 where he states he did 10,000 reps quarter squat under a squat bar in 50 minutes. Even at 25% effort, he would have to be doing 200 a minute, or better than 3 reps a second. That's a bit much to take, I reckon. ....... Do you suppose it could have been a typo? Perhaps he had intended 1,000 and an extra zero sneaked in somehow during the writing/editing/publishing of the book? I have a book, written by Tyler Bramlett, that seems to have at least one blatant typo on every page! It must certainly have the most typos of any published book that I've ever read! He should be ashamed to publish such a piece of crappy copy and the advice in the book is nothing more than what anyone with any sense about life could have written. He's just another "Me too! Me too!" wanna-be health guru with nothing except more noise to add to the discussion. IMO, Don't waste your time on him.
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Post by jonrock on Jun 23, 2019 17:40:50 GMT
Macky, I thought the same thing. It must be 1000 reps, quite a feat in itself.
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Post by stuke on Jun 23, 2019 18:10:04 GMT
In Iron Isometrics near the beginning we hear how Steve spent many years at over 350 pounds, but lost a ton of weight due to what turned out to be diabetes. Lafer he changed his ways and turned to mostly isometrics and a much cleaner diet. The thing is, I remember reading once how he lost the weight intentionally by doing some crazy lebvels of manual work - something to do with sheet or scrap metal? Sorry, I forget tbe details. Not sure if that was wrigten by Justa himself or by someone else as part of an article, but I do wonder. Unless he gained and lost weight twice. I suppose it is all academic really for me, the details don't really matter quite as much as the ideas.
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Post by macky on Jun 23, 2019 19:53:46 GMT
The claim on page 14 where he states he did 10,000 reps quarter squat under a squat bar in 50 minutes. Even at 25% effort, he would have to be doing 200 a minute, or better than 3 reps a second. That's a bit much to take, I reckon. ....... Do you suppose it could have been a typo? Perhaps he had intended 1,000 and an extra zero sneaked in somehow during the writing/editing/publishing of the book? Quite possibly. But if so, it was a big typo. The comma is in the correct position for 10,000 not like 1,0000
I mean, I don't really care. Justa's got enough photos to show he's into it boots and all. And like Jonrock says, at 1000 it would still be quite a feat in itself.
I only mention some of these things because of newbies who don't know any better (yet).
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Post by macky on Jun 23, 2019 19:58:26 GMT
In Iron Isometrics near the beginning we hear how Steve spent many years at over 350 pounds, but lost a ton of weight due to what turned out to be diabetes. Lafer he changed his ways and turned to mostly isometrics and a much cleaner diet. The thing is, I remember reading once how he lost the weight intentionally by doing some crazy lebvels of manual work - something to do with sheet or scrap metal? Sorry, I forget tbe details. Not sure if that was wrigten by Justa himself or by someone else as part of an article, but I do wonder. Unless he gained and lost weight twice. I suppose it is all academic really for me, the details don't really matter quite as much as the ideas.
Well much of what Justa writes has been verified by Bud Jeffries, so perhaps not in every detail, but in essence Justa's stories are more likely to be true than not.
In my opinion, Justa's simply a beast who is in a class of his own. I doubt whether anyone else could complete some of his workouts. They're insane.
In saying that, the principles are there, and workable to our scale of ability.
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Post by macky on Jun 23, 2019 20:02:47 GMT
The "surges" can be tough, where one holds max for X seconds then eases off but not completely like the pulses. I tried those on an isometric bench press I had rigged, going for the 4 seconds at max, then easing off to about half (you don't stop pushing) then back again to max, and I can tell you I didn't do many :-) I think I got away about 6 reps of max/sub-max surges. When I tried these I wasn't expecting them to be that different from traditional 3-point isometrics but they are absolutely exhausting, the combination of the four surges in five positions. A lot of isometric routines are sort of quick and easy, but doing that for three sets for four exercises like he suggests would require a lot of rest and at least as long as normal gym workout. Overcoming isometrics can be as exhausting as any other exercise protocol. I had to scale down to 20-20-10-10 holds because I couldn't keep up the 30-30-30 protocol for the full number of exercises.
I like to train something every day if possible. With 30-30-30 and techniques like surges, you gotta take the same time off as in weight training.
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Post by stuke on Jun 23, 2019 20:55:08 GMT
In Iron Isometrics near the beginning we hear how Steve spent many years at over 350 pounds, but lost a ton of weight due to what turned out to be diabetes. Lafer he changed his ways and turned to mostly isometrics and a much cleaner diet. The thing is, I remember reading once how he lost the weight intentionally by doing some crazy lebvels of manual work - something to do with sheet or scrap metal? Sorry, I forget tbe details. Not sure if that was wrigten by Justa himself or by someone else as part of an article, but I do wonder. Unless he gained and lost weight twice. I suppose it is all academic really for me, the details don't really matter quite as much as the ideas.
Well much of what Justa writes has been verified by Bud Jeffries, so perhaps not in every detail, but in essence Justa's stories are more likely to be true than not.
In my opinion, Justa's simply a beast who is in a class of his own. I doubt whether anyone else could complete some of his workouts. They're insane.
In saying that, the principles are there, and workable to our scale of ability.
Yes, I agree. I doubt anyone else could touch him on some of his feats. His approach to insane conditioning is what gets me - not training to look like a bodybuilder, not lifting as much as possible for one rep (though of course he has those insane backlifts, quarter deadlift hokds etc), but those mammoth 'strength endurance' feats. Love his stories of the chainmail vest in the grain silo etc... I find myself wondering what would happen to a hypothetical poor sap who got into a fight with him...
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Post by macky on Jun 23, 2019 21:09:34 GMT
Well much of what Justa writes has been verified by Bud Jeffries, so perhaps not in every detail, but in essence Justa's stories are more likely to be true than not.
In my opinion, Justa's simply a beast who is in a class of his own. I doubt whether anyone else could complete some of his workouts. They're insane.
In saying that, the principles are there, and workable to our scale of ability.
Yes, I agree. I doubt anyone else could touch him on some of his feats. His approach to insane conditioning is what gets me - not training to look like a bodybuilder, not lifting as much as possible for one rep (though of course he has those insane backlifts, quarter deadlift hokds etc), but those mammoth 'strength endurance' feats. Love his stories of the chainmail vest in the grain silo etc... I find myself wondering what would happen to a hypothetical poor sap who got into a fight with him... He would have to use unarmed combat techniques such as a poke in the eye or a punch or kick in the balls, to make any headway. And stay out of his reach because if Justa got a grip on him the poor sap would discover what it's like to be converted into Play-dough.
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Post by gruntbrain on Jun 23, 2019 22:05:24 GMT
His original book and articles in Ironmind inspired unconventional training and the creation of DIY exercise gizmos . I don't care if his claims are factual; being inspirational is sufficient .
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Post by chanduthemagician on Jun 24, 2019 1:40:40 GMT
In Iron Isometrics near the beginning we hear how Steve spent many years at over 350 pounds, but lost a ton of weight due to what turned out to be diabetes. Lafer he changed his ways and turned to mostly isometrics and a much cleaner diet. The thing is, I remember reading once how he lost the weight intentionally by doing some crazy lebvels of manual work - something to do with sheet or scrap metal? Sorry, I forget tbe details. Not sure if that was wrigten by Justa himself or by someone else as part of an article, but I do wonder. Unless he gained and lost weight twice. I suppose it is all academic really for me, the details don't really matter quite as much as the ideas. There was an article in Milo that detailed his tremendous weight loss. He talked about getting jobs picking scrap iron out of farmers groves and stuff like that. 8 hours, heavy repetitive labor and he touted drinking more than a gallon or two of water daily and he thought big guys were fat partially because they didn't drink enough water. Years later he found out he had diabetes during this time and that was at least partially what was accounting for his water intake and fat loss (think I saw this in one of Bud Jeffries videos. I totally believe this. Steve doesn't strike me as the type of guy to run to the Dr. for every sniffle. Your leg falls off, maybe check it if the condition persists would be more his style. To me, Steve is an idiot savant of strength. A lot of us try a few non conventional things, but how many of us persist and give it the necessary focus and time to see if it bears fruit? Damn few. The moment we feel a bit tired or our arm is down a 1/4 inch we run for the traditional methods like a kid to his blanket. Not so, Steve. I have Rock, Iron, Steel and the booklet you could write him for. That booklet is good, but man, those drawings. Usually when I see drawings like that, it's on some documentary about a serial killer.
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Post by stuke on Jun 24, 2019 10:38:37 GMT
In Iron Isometrics near the beginning we hear how Steve spent many years at over 350 pounds, but lost a ton of weight due to what turned out to be diabetes. Lafer he changed his ways and turned to mostly isometrics and a much cleaner diet. The thing is, I remember reading once how he lost the weight intentionally by doing some crazy lebvels of manual work - something to do with sheet or scrap metal? Sorry, I forget tbe details. Not sure if that was wrigten by Justa himself or by someone else as part of an article, but I do wonder. Unless he gained and lost weight twice. I suppose it is all academic really for me, the details don't really matter quite as much as the ideas. There was an article in Milo that detailed his tremendous weight loss. He talked about getting jobs picking scrap iron out of farmers groves and stuff like that. 8 hours, heavy repetitive labor and he touted drinking more than a gallon or two of water daily and he thought big guys were fat partially because they didn't drink enough water. Years later he found out he had diabetes during this time and that was at least partially what was accounting for his water intake and fat loss (think I saw this in one of Bud Jeffries videos. I totally believe this. Steve doesn't strike me as the type of guy to run to the Dr. for every sniffle. Your leg falls off, maybe check it if the condition persists would be more his style. To me, Steve is an idiot savant of strength. A lot of us try a few non conventional things, but how many of us persist and give it the necessary focus and time to see if it bears fruit? Damn few. The moment we feel a bit tired or our arm is down a 1/4 inch we run for the traditional methods like a kid to his blanket. Not so, Steve. I have Rock, Iron, Steel and the booklet you could write him for. That booklet is good, but man, those drawings. Usually when I see drawings like that, it's on some documentary about a serial killer. Great post, thanks. That is the article I was referring to by the sound of it. Makes sense now you exolain it.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jun 24, 2019 17:18:17 GMT
In Iron Isometrics near the beginning we hear how Steve spent many years at over 350 pounds, but lost a ton of weight due to what turned out to be diabetes. Lafer he changed his ways and turned to mostly isometrics and a much cleaner diet. The thing is, I remember reading once how he lost the weight intentionally by doing some crazy lebvels of manual work - something to do with sheet or scrap metal? Sorry, I forget tbe details. Not sure if that was wrigten by Justa himself or by someone else as part of an article, but I do wonder. Unless he gained and lost weight twice. I suppose it is all academic really for me, the details don't really matter quite as much as the ideas. There was an article in Milo that detailed his tremendous weight loss. He talked about getting jobs picking scrap iron out of farmers groves and stuff like that. 8 hours, heavy repetitive labor and he touted drinking more than a gallon or two of water daily and he thought big guys were fat partially because they didn't drink enough water. Years later he found out he had diabetes during this time and that was at least partially what was accounting for his water intake and fat loss (think I saw this in one of Bud Jeffries videos. I totally believe this. Steve doesn't strike me as the type of guy to run to the Dr. for every sniffle. Your leg falls off, maybe check it if the condition persists would be more his style. To me, Steve is an idiot savant of strength. A lot of us try a few non conventional things, but how many of us persist and give it the necessary focus and time to see if it bears fruit? Damn few. The moment we feel a bit tired or our arm is down a 1/4 inch we run for the traditional methods like a kid to his blanket. Not so, Steve. I have Rock, Iron, Steel and the booklet you could write him for. That booklet is good, but man, those drawings. Usually when I see drawings like that, it's on some documentary about a serial killer. Do you think you'd be able to put the booklet online? I've been searching for mine on-and-off for more than a year.
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 24, 2019 17:47:58 GMT
Honestly, I do not see a big difference between isometrics and slow high-tension self-resistance performance if we use muscle tension close to our max isometric level through the reps and sets. I think that stimulation of muscle hypertrophy might be better in the second case.
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Post by gruntbrain on Jun 24, 2019 19:50:14 GMT
I like a single leg press using the resistance by a strap pulling with 2 arms. Throughout the range of motion I include some isometric stops .
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Post by Bob50 on Jun 25, 2019 1:30:10 GMT
I love the similar self-resistance exercise with the belt: the opposite resistance of the biceps and quadriceps femoris muscle (4 sets for each arm/leg). It is the effective exercise for the biceps growth.
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