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Post by mr potatohead on Jun 22, 2019 15:32:20 GMT
I was going to add a pic, need to look up how! I have not been able to upload pix to this ProBoards format either. It was so easy on the old Zen forum before taphappytalker took it over. The way it is for me now, if I didn't already have the pic on the old Zen forum to copy from, I have no pic for this one.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jun 22, 2019 16:07:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 16:35:41 GMT
Steve made a two-part isometric video for Bud Jeffries/Logan Christopher to distribute, then another two-parter to sell when Jeffries and Christopher split up. I think the ebook was supposed to go with the second set. He also has a shorter demonstration of the "g-force" training he talks about in his first book, Rock Iron Steel. He inherited some money a few years ago and then his old buddy Herk started calling him bad names online, and not he doesn't sell anything. PM me if you want any of these, or if you ever bought his music. He demonstrates the G Force training on film from the 1st video on Isometrics as a bonus feature. Bud Jeffries filmed him on his first Isometrics video since Bud was visiting him at the time of touring the country. Logan I believe wanted to do a 2 parter for iron Isometrics but never had the chance. Justa filmed Iron Isometrics with somebody and published the book with a different company. I could be wrong. Bud told me himself what kind of guy he was, pretty funny really. The guy beats to his own drum and does whatever he wants, he's in his own world and is one of if not the most unorthodox strongman in history. One of the knowledgeable but a separate entity from other strongmen.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jun 22, 2019 18:09:12 GMT
Yeah he's fucking nuts, his old pal Herkster is more visibly nuts because he's more visible in general, but when you look into it Steve seems just as crazy. Both sets of isometrics videos were with Bud but I think the second set (and book) was made after Logan and Bud split up. I'd guess that's the main reason it was made in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 19:01:04 GMT
Yeah he's fucking nuts, his old pal Herkster is more visibly nuts because he's more visible in general, but when you look into it Steve seems just as crazy. Both sets of isometrics videos were with Bud but I think the second set (and book) was made after Logan and Bud split up. I'd guess that's the main reason it was made in the first place. Logan and Bud split that partnership sometime around 2013. They corresponded for years before that and worked together in an online partnership, the first time they officially met face to face was in 2011 at a seminar in San Jose, CA. The second video was made with Bud and the book was with Bud. He wanted Steve's knowledge to be heard and read on Steve's own terms but with some aided help with Bud's filming and promotion skills. Steve doesn't have a ton of money according to Bud and he's lived off paycheck to paycheck most of his career. The DVDs and books gave Steve back some extra money but mainly lives like a hermit and trains unlike anyone else. I never talked to Steve personally but been around Bud enough to know that Steve is out there and the black sheep of the strongman world but has knowledge that can't be ignored.
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Post by stuke on Jun 22, 2019 21:49:24 GMT
His methods are very innovative, but make an awful lot of sense. The strengrh endurance he must have had would have been crazy. Maybe it still is from his high volume isometrics. I'd love to read an interview with him but don't think any exist. I note he gave his address on a You Tube vid, I might write to him. He's not forced to live at the same place now but who knows.
I love his stories, or stories about him from others. He's definitely out there!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 22:33:53 GMT
His methods are very innovative, but make an awful lot of sense. The strengrh endurance he must have had would have been crazy. Maybe it still is from his high volume isometrics. I'd love to read an interview with him but don't think any exist. I note he gave his address on a You Tube vid, I might write to him. He's not forced to live at the same place now but who knows. I love his stories, or stories about him from others. He's definitely out there! Bud has an interview with him on his website and has an actual filmed interview somewhere on Bud's YouTube I think. I could be wrong, been a long time. I can do some research.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jun 22, 2019 23:21:30 GMT
If I was in America I'd probably write to him and order his CD
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 23:41:58 GMT
If I was in America I'd probably write to him and order his CD I'm sure you can still write to him but yeah his CD would have to take a lot of convincing since it's basically home made metal .
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jun 23, 2019 0:16:30 GMT
Rock Iron Steel is a good ideas book but don't take the routines too literally. My best guess is what he sent Randal Strossen was completely unpublishable and Strossen made up all the details on percentages, reps etc. while he rewrote it. So for example the barrel routine makes it sound like you are shouldering a barrel for 20 minutes at a time while you squat with it; just put the barrel down or switch sides as often as you like.
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Post by macky on Jun 23, 2019 4:35:18 GMT
As a mainly overcoming isometrics home trainer for several years now, I had experimented with a few different hold times and "sets", often performing as many as 50-60 holds ranging between 20 and 40 seconds in a workout, or spreading the lot out in a split manner over two or three days.
I guess over years of training we all get breaks-through from time to time, apart from the steady increase in strength and whatever else we are training for. For me it has often been a breakthrough in new information and attitude to the isometric protocol, and Steve Justa's Iron Isometrics was one such elevation with what for me were new and unique techniques such as pulses and surges, plus the extreme lengthy sub-max holds that Justa engaged in pretty much on the spur of the moment i.e. doing whatever he felt like on the day. Of course, not many trainers would ever feel like performing isometric holds for four hours a day or more, the man is obviously a machine. Certainly he is his own man not given to pristine surroundings or flash gym-clothes, as I've said before.
Another aspect of his book that I liked was the lack of extreme claims re what isometrics will do for you if you follow whatever protocol etc etc
He made some claims, one of which I find questionable, but generally they have been factual in my opinion, and not given to bragging. Overall, the book came across as a summary of the freedom and variety of overcoming isometric exercises, the holds, and venues where one could practice them.
I did not notice any yielding isometrics in the book. I could be wrong.
Another breakthrough last year was when Silverlooks informed us of the 30-30-30 ramped holds he performs in his workouts. I did not see ramped holds in Steve's book, either.
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Post by stuke on Jun 23, 2019 10:12:03 GMT
As a mainly overcoming isometrics home trainer for several years now, I had experimented with a few different hold times and "sets", often performing as many as 50-60 holds ranging between 20 and 40 seconds in a workout, or spreading the lot out in a split manner over two or three days.
I guess over years of training we all get breaks-through from time to time, apart from the steady increase in strength and whatever else we are training for. For me it has often been a breakthrough in new information and attitude to the isometric protocol, and Steve Justa's Iron Isometrics was one such elevation with what for me were new and unique techniques such as pulses and surges, plus the extreme lengthy sub-max holds that Justa engaged in pretty much on the spur of the moment i.e. doing whatever he felt like on the day. Of course, not many trainers would ever feel like performing isometric holds for four hours a day or more, the man is obviously a machine. Certainly he is his own man not given to pristine surroundings or flash gym-clothes, as I've said before.
Another aspect of his book that I liked was the lack of extreme claims re what isometrics will do for you if you follow whatever protocol etc etc
He made some claims, one of which I find questionable, but generally they have been factual in my opinion, and not given to bragging. Overall, the book came across as a summary of the freedom and variety of overcoming isometric exercises, the holds, and venues where one could practice them.
I did not notice any yielding isometrics in the book. I could be wrong.
Another breakthrough last year was when Silverlooks informed us of the 30-30-30 ramped holds he performs in his workouts. I did not see ramped holds in Steve's book, either. Which claim in particular do you fond questionable? Is it the one about melting fat right off you? I find there is a huge amount of info to digest in the books, not presented as scientific fact, more stories from a strange but obviously hugely exlerienced and intelligent character. I admit to often being inspired by things I read and wanting to try some of the techniques mentioned, but not many have done that to the level these books have. A lot of Justa's theories are very different to maimstream articles, but I do think some of it is not quite correct, like some of the feats of Bruce Lee, and fhere are a few inconsistencies, but mayne this just adds to the mysteriousness of Justa.
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Post by macky on Jun 23, 2019 10:52:44 GMT
As a mainly overcoming isometrics home trainer for several years now, I had experimented with a few different hold times and "sets", often performing as many as 50-60 holds ranging between 20 and 40 seconds in a workout, or spreading the lot out in a split manner over two or three days.
I guess over years of training we all get breaks-through from time to time, apart from the steady increase in strength and whatever else we are training for. For me it has often been a breakthrough in new information and attitude to the isometric protocol, and Steve Justa's Iron Isometrics was one such elevation with what for me were new and unique techniques such as pulses and surges, plus the extreme lengthy sub-max holds that Justa engaged in pretty much on the spur of the moment i.e. doing whatever he felt like on the day. Of course, not many trainers would ever feel like performing isometric holds for four hours a day or more, the man is obviously a machine. Certainly he is his own man not given to pristine surroundings or flash gym-clothes, as I've said before.
Another aspect of his book that I liked was the lack of extreme claims re what isometrics will do for you if you follow whatever protocol etc etc
He made some claims, one of which I find questionable, but generally they have been factual in my opinion, and not given to bragging. Overall, the book came across as a summary of the freedom and variety of overcoming isometric exercises, the holds, and venues where one could practice them.
I did not notice any yielding isometrics in the book. I could be wrong.
Another breakthrough last year was when Silverlooks informed us of the 30-30-30 ramped holds he performs in his workouts. I did not see ramped holds in Steve's book, either. Which claim in particular do you fond questionable? Is it the one about melting fat right off you? I find there is a huge amount of info to digest in the books, not presented as scientific fact, more stories from a strange but obviously hugely exlerienced and intelligent character. I admit to often being inspired by things I read and wanting to try some of the techniques mentioned, but not many have done that to the level these books have. A lot of Justa's theories are very different to maimstream articles, but I do think some of it is not quite correct, like some of the feats of Bruce Lee, and fhere are a few inconsistencies, but mayne this just adds to the mysteriousness of Justa. The claim on page 14 where he states he did 10,000 reps quarter squat under a squat bar in 50 minutes. Even at 25% effort, he would have to be doing 200 a minute, or better than 3 reps a second. That's a bit much to take, I reckon.
Re his "pulses" where one holds for X number of seconds then relaxes, then repeats again, I found that ten pulses of 4 seconds each followed by 4 seconds of relax until all ten pulses (holds) were complete had more effect (more taxing, felt harder) than a single 40-second max hold.
The "surges" can be tough, where one holds max for X seconds then eases off but not completely like the pulses. I tried those on an isometric bench press I had rigged, going for the 4 seconds at max, then easing off to about half (you don't stop pushing) then back again to max, and I can tell you I didn't do many :-) I think I got away about 6 reps of max/sub-max surges.
I've tried 8-second pulses (8 on/8 off) as well. There's heaps of ratios you can try.
The pulses and surges are also good for when you want a break or a change from the steady or ramped holds. Even using the same exercises you can end up feeling a bit tired or stiff (but not sore) the next day. I often did a 30 second steady max hold then a number of 4-second pulses. The ramped holds hold most of my attention at the moment. They too can be absorbing, trying out different ratios such as 30-30-30 (a single hold starting at 50% effort for 30 seconds, increasing to 75% for the second 30, then all out for the last 30 seconds), 20-20-10-10 (50%, 75%, 90%, full) and Bob's 10-10-10 for several sets, a very good alternative, or addition to a long single hold e.g. in my case currently, one 20-20-10-10, then three sets of 10-10-10 to finish.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jun 23, 2019 11:47:02 GMT
The "surges" can be tough, where one holds max for X seconds then eases off but not completely like the pulses. I tried those on an isometric bench press I had rigged, going for the 4 seconds at max, then easing off to about half (you don't stop pushing) then back again to max, and I can tell you I didn't do many :-) I think I got away about 6 reps of max/sub-max surges. When I tried these I wasn't expecting them to be that different from traditional 3-point isometrics but they are absolutely exhausting, the combination of the four surges in five positions. A lot of isometric routines are sort of quick and easy, but doing that for three sets for four exercises like he suggests would require a lot of rest and at least as long as normal gym workout.
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