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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 19, 2018 16:26:19 GMT
Bruce mentioned his preference for honey over sugar in another post, but, both sweeteners contain fructose (same stuff found in high fructose corn syrup food producers here in the US poison our food and drinks with...). In the post I'd mentioned fructose isn't really metabolized like glucose, which makes the stuff a fairly unhealthy product for consumption by humans. Had first read about it in Dr. Steven Gundry's first book, The Diet Evolution, and, heard Dr. Robert Lustig, MD, talk about it on TV and subsequently pissed off the food industry with his segment on CBS' 60 Minutes (that went viral) talking about the toxic affects of fructose. (His book on the topic also talks about the toxic affects of alcohol which are similar to fructose.) From Dr. Fung, who was brought up a few weeks ago: medium.com/@drjasonfung/the-deadly-effects-of-fructose-part-2-aab046146fb7 |
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2018 17:35:35 GMT
If I remember correctly, apple seeds contain arsenic, but no one has been hurt by eating the entire apple, including seeds. When nutrients are isolated from their source, they can do all kinds of things that won't happen when whole foods are consumed with all of their compounds intact and they become beneficial opposed to the isolated substance which can be harmful.
The entire entire nutritional profile of a food and how the nutrients and anti-nutrients affect the body need to be considered. Just focusing one one compound they have in common is reductionistic and is one of the big reasons modern medicine is so fucked up.
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 19, 2018 17:48:42 GMT
If I remember correctly, apple seeds contain arsenic, but no one has been hurt by eating the entire apple, including seeds. When nutrients are isolated from their source, they can do all kinds of things that won't happen when whole foods are consumed with all of their compounds intact and they become beneficial opposed to the isolated substance which can be harmful. The entire entire nutritional profile of a food and how the nutrients and anti-nutrients affect the body need to be considered. Just focusing one one compound they have in common is reductionistic and is one of the big reasons modern medicine is so fucked up. Not relevant, as this has nothing to do with reductionism wrt food. Nature's got a nice little cycle in the summer with fruit -- loads it up with all kinds of sweet stuff to get animals to eat it and the accompanying seeds so they're either passed in stools a day or two later or spit out some place so a new plant can get started. During those cycles, when the fruits are begging to be eaten and they're at their sweetest, fructose is at a peak and animals start packing on the weight. Simple biological fact. And it happens to humans as well, which is why people with weight issues are advised to consume one, maximum two servings of fruit. Why? People with weight issues almost always have fatty liver issues and the fructose in the fruit directly affects the liver. (Reference the metabolic pathway of fructose.) Now, lets add to the issue: fruit is in our diets in the US year 'round. It is shipped in from Mexico, South America, or frozen. Anyone tried to grow bananas in the dead of winter? Doesn't happen. But, these fruits are in the grocery stores during the time of the year our ancestors were living on game (real meat vs. the pretend stuff we eat via grass fed or grocery stores), root vegetables and such. So no, it isn't reductionistic. It is our metabolic pathway that evolved from our ancestral dietary patterns. |
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2018 18:30:33 GMT
Raw, unfiltered honey, which I buy from a local, mom & pop bee keeper, not "the honey industry", is complete, whole - no reduction, no refining, no processing other than gathering it.
Refining sugar is a process of reduction.
So, yeah, It's reductionistic thinking to isolate one substance, like fructose, if a person understand what the word "reduction" means.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2018 18:34:39 GMT
Beets are excellent nutritionally when they are grown organically, naturally.
Sugar which has been refined from beets is only inflammatory and has no nutritional benefit (and is, in fact, negative) since the reduction has removed all nutrients.
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 19, 2018 18:42:53 GMT
Raw, unfiltered honey, which I buy from a local, mom & pop bee keeper, not "the honey industry", is complete, whole - no reduction, no refining, no processing other than gathering it. Refining sugar is a process of reduction. So, yeah, It's reductionistic thinking to isolate one substance, like fructose, if a person understand what the word "reduction" means. Again, if one were to understand metabolic pathways vs. the industry myths -- mom & pop included -- one would understand it is still simple sugars in a suspension called honey. Further, because that product has no fiber those sugars are in fact defined as simple -- rapidly absorbed -- and then the independent fructose and glucose metabolic pathways take place. Here's an analogy: put some real sugar (sucrose) in a suspension of carbonated liquid, a little flavoring and food coloring...Mexican Coke! (Sorry, our crap Coke uses HFCS.) See the comparison? It doesn't matter what the sugars are suspended...it is still sugar. So, pretending there's such a thing as "whole" honey is silly. It is nothing more than a semi-liquid suspension comprised of 80% fructose and glucose. And, unless one understands biology, I guess trying to apply irrelevant terms like "reductionistic" is necessary? It is much like when one doesn't understand that "lard" was never part of our ancestral diets and only came about after animals were domesticated and their fat drippings -- aka TRIGLYCERIDES or stored saturated fatty acids -- were captured. That is because wild game is lean nearly all year. |
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 19, 2018 18:45:50 GMT
Beets are excellent nutritionally when they are grown organically, naturally. Sugar which has been refined from beets is only inflammatory and has no nutritional benefit (and is, in fact, negative) since the reduction has removed all nutrients. Let me help: the sugar in beets are part of the whole plant which includes fibers. But, along with the vitamins and minerals, beets are sugars. And those sugars are in different forms. But, it is amazing that MDs have reversed Type 2 diabetes and heart disease on a diet of sugar and rice despite all of that negativity! Simply amazing! |
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Post by MBS on Aug 19, 2018 19:50:12 GMT
I eat quite a bit of fruit during the summer, a lot of berries / grapes and different varieties of melons. While I enjoy it as a stand alone, I also blend said fruits with greens daily, mainly with celery and arugula.
During the cooler months, I don’t find fruit as appealing.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 19, 2018 21:06:11 GMT
But, it is amazing that MDs have reversed Type 2 diabetes and heart disease on a diet of sugar and rice despite all of that negativity! Simply amazing! Eating a combination (solution when you eat/digest) of sugar mixed with rice is no longer just isolated sugar, obviously. But, when they are combined they benefit the body, according to this. Which is my point about sugar in the solution that is raw unfiltered honey. Thanks. |
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 20, 2018 1:09:13 GMT
But, it is amazing that MDs have reversed Type 2 diabetes and heart disease on a diet of sugar and rice despite all of that negativity! Simply amazing! Eating a combination (solution when you eat/digest) of sugar mixed with rice is no longer just isolated sugar, obviously. But, when they are combined they benefit the body, according to this. Which is my point about sugar in the solution that is raw unfiltered honey. Thanks. So, two forms of processed carbs are ok...far more quickly broken down into their individual sugars (both have a very high GI rating)...according to Spuds? |
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 20, 2018 2:45:49 GMT
Eating a combination (solution when you eat/digest) of sugar mixed with rice is no longer just isolated sugar, obviously. But, when they are combined they benefit the body, according to this. Which is my point about sugar in the solution that is raw unfiltered honey. Thanks. So, two forms of processed carbs are ok...far more quickly broken down into their individual sugars (both have a very high GI rating)...according to Spuds? Uhhhhh ...... hmmmm ........ what?  |
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 20, 2018 2:49:36 GMT
So, two forms of processed carbs are ok...far more quickly broken down into their individual sugars (both have a very high GI rating)...according to Spuds? Uhhhhh ...... hmmmm ........ what? Sorry having a horrible time following your logic...you're apparently ok with white rice and sugar? No criticism? Slamming the fact they're both heavily processed foods? |
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 20, 2018 2:56:41 GMT
This is what you wrote:
and I referenced in my comment w/ "according to this", meaning the above quote. I didn't say it, I didn't support it, I spoke to your statement's support of what I was saying.
Wasn't trying to be cryptic, sorry.
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 21, 2018 20:47:42 GMT
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