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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 12, 2018 20:17:58 GMT
Hi Henry,
I've had the chance to speak to several people who got caught up in the Weider mafia.
Mike Mentzer, as many may recall, talked about the sham and scam of the Weiders following the Mr. Olympia where Arnold won in 1980, tried to form a union to ensure fair pay and benefits for bodybuilders, etc., along with Kalman Szkalak. Mike had nothing good to say about the Weiders including their morals or business practices. And the Weiders not only ran off but got many of the people associated trying to legitimize some of bodybuilding blackballed for years in the bodybuilding circles.
A Texas NPC winner (won't disclose his name) who I knew in the 90s told about the "casting couch"requirements of the Weider organization, how fixed the competitions are, the male prostitution and association with male porn. He also said the Weiders sold bogus supplements and other products and their magazines were written, for the most part, by ghost writers. (This has come out in recent years.) He said he was young, dumb and trusted the Weiders while juicing and spending thousands on food and supplements, but, if you didn't follow the rules (casting couch), your career was mud.
All 3rd hand information, I know. Mentzer's passed on and can't speak for what I posted nor can the Weiders. So take my information as rumor, nothing more.
But, if you look around the web, you'll find similar stories about Ben, some about Joe, regarding their behavior and questionable business conduct. I think the book Muscle Smoke and Mirrors also includes some of it.
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 12, 2018 21:11:05 GMT
Weider's cross arms wanna be portrait and bust? Of course we know Joey W. looked nothing like that..his ego was 10x the size of his arms.
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Post by dynoman on Aug 12, 2018 22:39:03 GMT
I remember when I was a high school senior in 1976, and I bought a Weider weight gain supplement and I had the canister in my gym bag,and I was showing a friend it, and one of the members at the gym asked if he could check it out,I showed him and he read the ingredients, and he told he that it was garbage,he told me I should have bought Bob Hoffman's weight gain powder instead, much better product,last time I ever bought a Weider product, live and learn I guess.
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 12, 2018 23:39:42 GMT
I forgot, Joe put his head on a bust of Robby Robinson... Lyle McDonald, who has written several bb'ing nutritional books, on Weider: groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.fitness/6BErZnhzbIo
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 12, 2018 23:41:56 GMT
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 13, 2018 13:02:16 GMT
Joe's biggest biz was actually in the gay bodybuilding porn markets and bad supplements, which is similar to stories we've heard regarding Vince's buddy Rheo Blair. Joe published magazines such as Adonis -- there were two or three others -- which people like Vince Gironda posed in. The exact quotes are out on the web, but, Vince talked about Weider's magazines and Weider's involvement in the gay side of the bodybuilding business, which is alluded to in the book Pumping Iron and other publications. www.queerty.com/physique-magazine-magnate-controversial-bodybuilding-icon-joe-weider-dies-at-93-20130324View at your own risk: www.ebay.com/i/122881788040?chn=psWeider's ads were such a facade and brain washing tool, it is ridiculous...he learned how to play on the ego of so many males, it is ridiculous. Weider and his peers had so, so many of us believing the lies and scams. And as was discussed on the other thread, he (and Bob Kennedy, Dan Laurie, etc.) had us believing women were/are attracted to juiced up dudes. "Not" Read the book Little Big Men...great discussion on how Charles Atlas and bodybuilding plays to the male insecurities...like "BIG ARMS" are going to address anything in your life. www.ergogenics.org/alan-klein-crisis-contradiction-in-bodybuilding.html
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Post by fastfor40 on Aug 13, 2018 23:03:23 GMT
I remember when I was a high school senior in 1976, and I bought a Weider weight gain supplement and I had the canister in my gym bag,and I was showing a friend it, and one of the members at the gym asked if he could check it out,I showed him and he read the ingredients, and he told he that it was garbage,he told me I should have bought Bob Hoffman's weight gain powder instead, much better product,last time I ever bought a Weider product, live and learn I guess. I remember that stuff. I bought two cases in 1975, and although it had an odd taste, it was certainly thick and went down well enough. My mother, however, was suspicious as to what her little darling was drinking, so she asked to see one of the cans. She was one of the first of the label readers, and after a quick glance she told me to bring "that crap" downstairs.
The first ingredient, as it turned out, was sugar.
I'm not sure what happened to the weight gainer my mom confiscated, but she reimbursed me, God bless her.
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Post by Mike on Aug 13, 2018 23:52:41 GMT
All I have to say is,"Ouch".
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Post by mr potatohead on Aug 14, 2018 1:54:36 GMT
I'm not sure what happened to the weight gainer my mom confiscated, but she reimbursed me, God bless her.
Yes, indeed! God Bless her!
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 29, 2018 15:34:49 GMT
Hmmm. So who did he rip off for that photoshop...Rich Gaspari? Lou Ferrigno?
Probably someone on his casting couch no doubt.
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Post by Bruce Tackett on Aug 29, 2018 15:40:47 GMT
Ben Weider was a Napoleon scholar. It was he who proved that Napoleon had been poisoned.
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 29, 2018 16:20:52 GMT
Ben Weider was a Napoleon scholar. It was he who proved that Napoleon had been poisoned. Oh...I get it...you're being funny!!! Ben...a scholar? OMG...my stomach is cramping from the laffter!!!
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 29, 2018 16:22:33 GMT
It's not a Photoshop, it's an art painting by Boris Vallejo Either way, Boris used someone else from the neck down...again, probably someone from the Weider Brothers legendary casting couch... What a friggin' BS ego.
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Post by TexasRanger on Aug 29, 2018 18:04:58 GMT
TexasRanger, I don't know if the painting was commissioned by Weider, doesn't matter to me. But when I was a kid the Joe Weider icon was cool in a graphic design way. When I got the Weider course here in Canada, the wall charts had Ben Weider wearing a blazer in the top corner not Joe so was disappointed. I don't know why Joe Weider never used his actual self in advertising like Charles Atlas did.
Looking at vintage photographs of Joe, he had a fairly good build but not dynamic enough for his ads, he didn't seem to show a good six pack like Sandow.
Sandow was likely Joe's inspiration, me thinks.
Joe was all about Joe and controlling his empire. Bios, magazine articles and people who've been in the IFBB or one of the other Weider-owned groups all agreed. I know I'm repeating myself, but, Joe -- like many of his peers -- sold fraudulent products (like his "Anabolic Packs") and scammed thousands (millions?) off of people, fostered the use of steroids and stronger and more dangerous options -- eg insulin -- by glorifying people that lived on that stuff and passed off bogus training and nutritional information as legit, safe and healthy. Add the casting couch and other things and all I can say is I wish I hadn't shelled out $$$ that lined that asshole's pockets.
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