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Post by determinator on Jan 19, 2024 16:25:24 GMT
"Got to remember it is the sciatic nerve that has caused the pain, not the muscles. The signals told me it was pain in the muscles but the signal was wrong."
In my own case, I believe that there is quite a bit of arthritis in my lower back (and other places, too) It doesn't always cause pain, but it still exists. I have had two hip joint replacements in the past due to severe arthritis, which have been doing just fine, without any issues in about 12 years now. I believe my sciatica nerve is somehow getting pinched or compressed from arthritic lower back bone structure when I have the flare-ups. It can feel like Mike Tyson slammed me in my upper left buttock. It's like Ben mentioned, it takes a few months, maybe more, to get back to full recovery from after the initial flare-up. I wish I could say what it was that I did that helped it heal. It involved a major change in what I did in my workouts, I know that much.
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Post by determinator on Jan 19, 2024 17:03:09 GMT
Thanks Ben, for your detailed description of how you dealt with the sciatica BS. I see you went by intuition and how a movement felt to see if your body was OK with it. I found that staying with a certain routine or exercise too long might be denying that intuition, so doing something new and starting fresh has a way of limiting the overall wear and tear on the system, and allowing recovery. Then you are paying attention to what is happening with the body as it adjusts to the new movements with a lighter resistance, as well as allowing neglected angles and muscles to catch up in strength to allow for balance. Others have mentioned paying attention to the balance between the back muscles and abs as a way of avoiding back issues. That is something that would be a good thing to watch for in my own training, as well as consciously engaging the ab muscles to form a stronger foundation for the back muscles when lifting. Yeah, at first, it was hard to do some of the basic ones so I did movements in small increments to learn how to adjust to them and generate power when I was ready. Some exercises like waves were tricky to do at first finding the right positioning but once I got it and learned to stabilize the abs and back muscles, it actually created a strong effect in my hips which strengthened them. It sounds weird I know but that's what came of it. For other exercises like the couple you might see here like waves and the curls, they might not seem like they're doing anything and the band looks loose but when you explosively put in the effort, it makes the muscles burn like crazy. The Sprints are my favorite for explosive training to the degree where I can go hard but I don't need to go very far and can do micro Sprints to really dig into the muscles along the areas of the thighs and hamstrings which progressively strengthened my lower body. www.instagram.com/reel/CyFGIAcLV4_/?igsh=dTNwdGVoY2h3YzAyIf you happen to check out videos of the guys performing exercises with the bands, you'll see with great control and progressive speed, it's got some great pull and helps guide you throughout the movement. They're far more advanced than I'll ever be, they're wrestlers and fighters after all but they showcase how to apply even basic drills that potentially could increase one's fitness to an extent. Some exercises are more advanced than others which is why it's best to utilize what gives them the edge not for the sake of getting better at wrestling but learning how to move the body better. www.instagram.com/reel/CyZM_cBStbi/?igsh=MWhwYm8wbDhiOHVxaw==This was one of my favorite movements to do. It can be done with lighter weight and you have progressed to being that low and walking. Because the band at some point will try to pull you back, you have to keep tension on the core and stay balanced otherwise you won't be able to work the exercise efficiently. The duck walk and squat with the 50 lb. bag looks like a winner. I do like doing the sandbag front/zercher/bearhug type squat in the first place, but never tried to duck walk with the bag. Thanks for the idea.
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Post by determinator on Jan 19, 2024 17:12:45 GMT
Thanks Ben, for your detailed description of how you dealt with the sciatica BS. I see you went by intuition and how a movement felt to see if your body was OK with it. I found that staying with a certain routine or exercise too long might be denying that intuition, so doing something new and starting fresh has a way of limiting the overall wear and tear on the system, and allowing recovery. Then you are paying attention to what is happening with the body as it adjusts to the new movements with a lighter resistance, as well as allowing neglected angles and muscles to catch up in strength to allow for balance. Others have mentioned paying attention to the balance between the back muscles and abs as a way of avoiding back issues. That is something that would be a good thing to watch for in my own training, as well as consciously engaging the ab muscles to form a stronger foundation for the back muscles when lifting. I think You're an older guy like me? Some explosive movement/twisting might not be for us. Benny is a young man and if it works for him I'm not criticizing his insights. I just have a different view on this, probably more on the line of muscle imbalances. On this thread You will see two threads on the first page by me, You can read the others also if You want: sierraexercise.proboards.com/thread/3177/old-jack-fixed-back-painI would also recommend investing time into the Stuart McGill exercises after the pain subsides. Thanks for your insights, Michael. Yes, I'm an older workout enthusiast that has seen my share of injuries over the years. I usually don't do explosive movements much these days, although I am partial to one-arm KB snatches. I do have gymnast rings to hang from to decompress, but have to be mindful doing them. My lower back is no longer held together the same as when younger, due to arthritic changes. I does feel good to decompress for short periods of time, though. Too much might change the order of alignment of what works down there without pain, so I use caution doing ring or bar holds.
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Post by ben542019 on Jan 19, 2024 18:26:48 GMT
Hi Ben, I’m no expert and can only go from my own experience but I found stretching wasn’t as much help as I thought it would be. Got to remember it is the sciatic nerve that has caused the pain, not the muscles. The signals told me it was pain in the muscles but the signal was wrong. I read the sciatic nerve gradually secretes a mild acid that etches a new groove over time, easing the pressure. Takes time though. 17 years later, I’m still careful with it so don’t go rushing ahead with anything that puts pressure on the nerve and end up regretting it is all I’d say. I learned a few stretches that helped plus some mobility work that kept it from stuffing up but yeah most stretches didn't do jack for me so I went with what gave me comfort, even if it was temporarily at the time. I understand that the sciatic pain caused it, which is why I focused a lot on sciatic stretching specifically. Literally the only time I didn't feel pain was in the deep squat, I don't know why cause I had read in many places to not do that but it apparently worked in my favor, whenever I was out of it, pain would set in quick but when I'm in it, it's like nothing ever happened. All I know is, I'm glad I'm out of it and it didn't beat me .
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Post by ben542019 on Jan 19, 2024 18:29:31 GMT
Yeah, at first, it was hard to do some of the basic ones so I did movements in small increments to learn how to adjust to them and generate power when I was ready. Some exercises like waves were tricky to do at first finding the right positioning but once I got it and learned to stabilize the abs and back muscles, it actually created a strong effect in my hips which strengthened them. It sounds weird I know but that's what came of it. For other exercises like the couple you might see here like waves and the curls, they might not seem like they're doing anything and the band looks loose but when you explosively put in the effort, it makes the muscles burn like crazy. The Sprints are my favorite for explosive training to the degree where I can go hard but I don't need to go very far and can do micro Sprints to really dig into the muscles along the areas of the thighs and hamstrings which progressively strengthened my lower body. www.instagram.com/reel/CyFGIAcLV4_/?igsh=dTNwdGVoY2h3YzAyIf you happen to check out videos of the guys performing exercises with the bands, you'll see with great control and progressive speed, it's got some great pull and helps guide you throughout the movement. They're far more advanced than I'll ever be, they're wrestlers and fighters after all but they showcase how to apply even basic drills that potentially could increase one's fitness to an extent. Some exercises are more advanced than others which is why it's best to utilize what gives them the edge not for the sake of getting better at wrestling but learning how to move the body better. www.instagram.com/reel/CyZM_cBStbi/?igsh=MWhwYm8wbDhiOHVxaw==This was one of my favorite movements to do. It can be done with lighter weight and you have progressed to being that low and walking. Because the band at some point will try to pull you back, you have to keep tension on the core and stay balanced otherwise you won't be able to work the exercise efficiently. The duck walk and squat with the 50 lb. bag looks like a winner. I do like doing the sandbag front/zercher/bearhug type squat in the first place, but never tried to duck walk with the bag. Thanks for the idea. I got a lot of great stretch in the hips and strength in the quads doing that move and it felt like a strength training move yet worked mobility at the same time. I have a heavier bag now and might test out the move one of these days, duck Walks are one of my favorite animal moves.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Jan 19, 2024 19:35:28 GMT
The first time I got sciatica was a period when I was also doing a lot of stretching. I don't stretch at all now and I'm sure I feel better for it.
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Post by moxohol on Jan 19, 2024 20:07:08 GMT
"Got to remember it is the sciatic nerve that has caused the pain, not the muscles. The signals told me it was pain in the muscles but the signal was wrong." In my own case, I believe that there is quite a bit of arthritis in my lower back (and other places, too) It doesn't always cause pain, but it still exists. I have had two hip joint replacements in the past due to severe arthritis, which have been doing just fine, without any issues in about 12 years now. I believe my sciatica nerve is somehow getting pinched or compressed from arthritic lower back bone structure when I have the flare-ups. It can feel like Mike Tyson slammed me in my upper left buttock. It's like Ben mentioned, it takes a few months, maybe more, to get back to full recovery from after the initial flare-up. I wish I could say what it was that I did that helped it heal. It involved a major change in what I did in my workouts, I know that much. Regenerative and Protective Actions of the GHK-Cu Peptide in the Light of the New Gene Data - PMC www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6073405/GHK-Cu Capsules (Copper Tripeptide)| 99% Purity (USA Made) www.peptidesciences.com/ghk-cu-copper-tripeptide?queryID=f9a8ef25260ddad6d914ae5bf825b8f6&objectID=208&indexName=psm2_default_products
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Post by Michael on Jan 19, 2024 23:28:11 GMT
I think You're an older guy like me? Some explosive movement/twisting might not be for us. Benny is a young man and if it works for him I'm not criticizing his insights. I just have a different view on this, probably more on the line of muscle imbalances. On this thread You will see two threads on the first page by me, You can read the others also if You want: sierraexercise.proboards.com/thread/3177/old-jack-fixed-back-painI would also recommend investing time into the Stuart McGill exercises after the pain subsides. Thanks for your insights, Michael. Yes, I'm an older workout enthusiast that has seen my share of injuries over the years. I usually don't do explosive movements much these days, although I am partial to one-arm KB snatches. I do have gymnast rings to hang from to decompress, but have to be mindful doing them. My lower back is no longer held together the same as when younger, due to arthritic changes. I does feel good to decompress for short periods of time, though. Too much might change the order of alignment of what works down there without pain, so I use caution doing ring or bar holds. I've been doing a program that has me doing one arm snatches twice a week. If You know how to do them there is no impact at all.
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Post by MBS on Jan 19, 2024 23:53:18 GMT
Yikes. $175 a bottle. Pricey.
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Post by carlson on Jan 20, 2024 0:42:43 GMT
Well hot diggedy damn, jabronies, 'old carlson heard a vaguely familar siren call from across the salty brine and I had to make haste to the nearest wireless handheld communication device to post this very welcome. Fortune shines on me as one of the lads here in the Buccaneer's Balls recently aquired such a contraption from a misfortuned merchant sailor - who no longer has a need for it it (or air for that matter, he hehehe!) So bendy boned bruiser, big boy Benny chimp walks his candy ass back into the fold, what strange and uncanny times we live in! Well ventured Ben lad, let the good times roll, sir! You may have heard the siren call from across benny's brine, but as soon as your beard showed up (again) in sierra I felt the call of the jungle in my veins, old sailor! Tell us your whereabouts and (mis)adventures, surely this uncanny times include lady shes and hes, has your boat entered in such harbours? Hearty greetings, sir jobcock. Despite what they all say about you, I like you. Aye, lad, many adventures in the high seas for sure. I could tell you tales that would grey your hair (if you had any), and bend your bones into pretzels. Alas, I fear now is not the time for such dank and deadly tales, but I can tell you there were many hes, tons of shes, and too many inbetweens to count. Dozens if deep, deviant diving in the inkiest of all depths, bulging, billious bottom beasts, piles of perverted ass pirates, dodgy, dong dangling dockers and skulking, swarthy sailors, ready to pressgang any weak and oblivious nobrots that wondered into their domain. Thus ain't an easy life, jabronies, but it's wot ol' carlson knows and I'm kind of good at it. Wot about you, anyway, jawrot? Wot gives old scrote?
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Post by moxohol on Jan 20, 2024 5:42:09 GMT
Yikes. $175 a bottle. Pricey. it used to be a 3rd less before Biden started the proxy war. All is adjusted for inflation now. It'll help the hairline. Google it. Any fine lines she has - *POOF*
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Post by Michael on Jan 20, 2024 15:18:07 GMT
You may have heard the siren call from across benny's brine, but as soon as your beard showed up (again) in sierra I felt the call of the jungle in my veins, old sailor! Tell us your whereabouts and (mis)adventures, surely this uncanny times include lady shes and hes, has your boat entered in such harbours? Hearty greetings, sir jobcock. Despite what they all say about you, I like you. Aye, lad, many adventures in the high seas for sure. I could tell you tales that would grey your hair (if you had any), and bend your bones into pretzels. Alas, I fear now is not the time for such dank and deadly tales, but I can tell you there were many hes, tons of shes, and too many inbetweens to count. Dozens if deep, deviant diving in the inkiest of all depths, bulging, billious bottom beasts, piles of perverted ass pirates, dodgy, dong dangling dockers and skulking, swarthy sailors, ready to pressgang any weak and oblivious nobrots that wondered into their domain. Thus ain't an easy life, jabronies, but it's wot ol' carlson knows and I'm kind of good at it. Wot about you, anyway, jawrot? Wot gives old scrote? I think Stuke can take You.
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Post by jonrock on Jan 20, 2024 18:49:15 GMT
You may have heard the siren call from across benny's brine, but as soon as your beard showed up (again) in sierra I felt the call of the jungle in my veins, old sailor! Tell us your whereabouts and (mis)adventures, surely this uncanny times include lady shes and hes, has your boat entered in such harbours? Hearty greetings, sir jobcock. Despite what they all say about you, I like you. Aye, lad, many adventures in the high seas for sure. I could tell you tales that would grey your hair (if you had any), and bend your bones into pretzels. Alas, I fear now is not the time for such dank and deadly tales, but I can tell you there were many hes, tons of shes, and too many inbetweens to count. Dozens if deep, deviant diving in the inkiest of all depths, bulging, billious bottom beasts, piles of perverted ass pirates, dodgy, dong dangling dockers and skulking, swarthy sailors, ready to pressgang any weak and oblivious nobrots that wondered into their domain. Thus ain't an easy life, jabronies, but it's wot ol' carlson knows and I'm kind of good at it. Wot about you, anyway, jawrot? Wot gives old scrote? Let them talk, the old and rot! As faithful as I am to my lady, the impulse to sail other available (and seductive) seas and rivers is there, sometimes a strong one! But I am sure your aching aging heart has already felt for such delicatessen in your many adventures, right?
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Post by ben542019 on Jan 21, 2024 19:56:00 GMT
Hearty greetings, sir jobcock. Despite what they all say about you, I like you. Aye, lad, many adventures in the high seas for sure. I could tell you tales that would grey your hair (if you had any), and bend your bones into pretzels. Alas, I fear now is not the time for such dank and deadly tales, but I can tell you there were many hes, tons of shes, and too many inbetweens to count. Dozens if deep, deviant diving in the inkiest of all depths, bulging, billious bottom beasts, piles of perverted ass pirates, dodgy, dong dangling dockers and skulking, swarthy sailors, ready to pressgang any weak and oblivious nobrots that wondered into their domain. Thus ain't an easy life, jabronies, but it's wot ol' carlson knows and I'm kind of good at it. Wot about you, anyway, jawrot? Wot gives old scrote? Let them talk, the old and rot! As faithful as I am to my lady, the impulse to sail other available (and seductive) seas and rivers is there, sometimes a strong one! But I am sure your aching aging heart has already felt for such delicatessen in your many adventures, right? I love POTC. Although it's a Sea shanty song it's still really good as a metal song....
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Post by determinator on Jan 22, 2024 13:15:16 GMT
Thanks for your insights, Michael. Yes, I'm an older workout enthusiast that has seen my share of injuries over the years. I usually don't do explosive movements much these days, although I am partial to one-arm KB snatches. I do have gymnast rings to hang from to decompress, but have to be mindful doing them. My lower back is no longer held together the same as when younger, due to arthritic changes. I does feel good to decompress for short periods of time, though. Too much might change the order of alignment of what works down there without pain, so I use caution doing ring or bar holds. I've been doing a program that has me doing one arm snatches twice a week. If You know how to do them there is no impact at all. I like the one arm KB snatch because it gives you a ballistic move that is with one side of the body. It also straightens the torso when the KB is overhead, forcing correct posture. You can lower the KB in a front of the body path after it is overhead, or to the side with the arm at 90 degree angle (or similar) to do a controlled negative. The lift has a few good points going for it. I like to do lower reps and sets with it, myself.
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