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Post by ben542019 on Jan 16, 2024 15:36:37 GMT
Hey M8,
It's great to hear from you. I'm glad you're finding new ways to improve your fitness.
Welcome back!
Thank you appreciate it.
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Post by waiting4billfish on Jan 17, 2024 18:36:25 GMT
Welcome back, Ben.
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Post by determinator on Jan 17, 2024 22:03:46 GMT
Welcome back, Ben!
I'm curious as to what exercises you did or do with your DopamineO band that took care of your sciatica pain. I have had sciatica twice so far in the past couple of years. It seems to be related to lower back arthritis, and overuse of the lower back and related muscles. About a year ago, it showed up at the end of winter after much snow removal over a weeks time, with a lower body workout thrown in the middle of that week. It takes a few months to go away after the onset.
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Post by jonrock on Jan 17, 2024 22:40:19 GMT
Well hot diggedy damn, jabronies, 'old carlson heard a vaguely familar siren call from across the salty brine and I had to make haste to the nearest wireless handheld communication device to post this very welcome. Fortune shines on me as one of the lads here in the Buccaneer's Balls recently aquired such a contraption from a misfortuned merchant sailor - who no longer has a need for it it (or air for that matter, he hehehe!) So bendy boned bruiser, big boy Benny chimp walks his candy ass back into the fold, what strange and uncanny times we live in! Well ventured Ben lad, let the good times roll, sir! You may have heard the siren call from across benny's brine, but as soon as your beard showed up (again) in sierra I felt the call of the jungle in my veins, old sailor! Tell us your whereabouts and (mis)adventures, surely this uncanny times include lady shes and hes, has your boat entered in such harbours?
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Post by jonrock on Jan 17, 2024 22:41:21 GMT
Figured I'd come back just for the hell of it. Been doing a lot of different things lately, lost weight, working on various systems and having fun messing with my new 70 lb Sandbell plus these resistance bands called DopamineO that are geared towards those in Amateur Wrestling, MMA, BJJ & Judo. They helped me get over a sciatica injury back in September. I know some of you like to take shots at me just to get a good laugh, at least there's something interesting that I do. However, some things I have evolved with and gotten stronger in some areas and built better stamina using deck of cards workouts. May post from time to time but hey, some of you don't like me...GOOD!!! I must be doing something right. An instant classic!
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Post by ben542019 on Jan 18, 2024 4:20:01 GMT
Welcome back, Ben! I'm curious as to what exercises you did or do with your DopamineO band that took care of your sciatica pain. I have had sciatica twice so far in the past couple of years. It seems to be related to lower back arthritis, and overuse of the lower back and related muscles. About a year ago, it showed up at the end of winter after much snow removal over a weeks time, with a lower body workout thrown in the middle of that week. It takes a few months to go away after the onset. Thank you, hope yours gets better as well. I do usually basic type exercises either explosively or with pure control to entice the muscles. I e worked a squat and press combo, alternating rows, bear Crawl, tricep extensions, Oblique Twists (basically a motion of a tug and war pull mixed with a bat type swing movement), lunges and other things. I took it easy on the exercises at first and because the band wrapped around my waist, it helped stay and stable and controlled of my movements so I didn't jerk anything and focused on feeling the exercise itself no matter what it was. That helped a lot because I didn't have to worry too much about what to do, the band in a coached me to notice if I was doing something wrong. Didn't have a specific routine, just stuck with basic strength and speed movements. As I progressed, I added more explosiveness to the movements. Would total 100-200 reps per exercise in a workout or a certain number of Sprints in a set and totaled at the end. One type of workout I would do is a 30/15 For 4 protocol where I would do a series of exercises, one exercise would be 30 on, 15 off for 4 Rounds, rest a bit and repeat that sequence with another exercise and so on and so forth. An entire workout would be roughly 20 min doing this so I'm keeping up my conditioning. It's actually pretty fun to do once you get the hang of it.
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Post by determinator on Jan 18, 2024 9:06:23 GMT
Thanks Ben, for your detailed description of how you dealt with the sciatica BS.
I see you went by intuition and how a movement felt to see if your body was OK with it. I found that staying with a certain routine or exercise too long might be denying that intuition, so doing something new and starting fresh has a way of limiting the overall wear and tear on the system, and allowing recovery. Then you are paying attention to what is happening with the body as it adjusts to the new movements with a lighter resistance, as well as allowing neglected angles and muscles to catch up in strength to allow for balance.
Others have mentioned paying attention to the balance between the back muscles and abs as a way of avoiding back issues. That is something that would be a good thing to watch for in my own training, as well as consciously engaging the ab muscles to form a stronger foundation for the back muscles when lifting.
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Post by ben542019 on Jan 18, 2024 9:31:01 GMT
Thanks Ben, for your detailed description of how you dealt with the sciatica BS. I see you went by intuition and how a movement felt to see if your body was OK with it. I found that staying with a certain routine or exercise too long might be denying that intuition, so doing something new and starting fresh has a way of limiting the overall wear and tear on the system, and allowing recovery. Then you are paying attention to what is happening with the body as it adjusts to the new movements with a lighter resistance, as well as allowing neglected angles and muscles to catch up in strength to allow for balance. Others have mentioned paying attention to the balance between the back muscles and abs as a way of avoiding back issues. That is something that would be a good thing to watch for in my own training, as well as consciously engaging the ab muscles to form a stronger foundation for the back muscles when lifting. Yeah, at first, it was hard to do some of the basic ones so I did movements in small increments to learn how to adjust to them and generate power when I was ready. Some exercises like waves were tricky to do at first finding the right positioning but once I got it and learned to stabilize the abs and back muscles, it actually created a strong effect in my hips which strengthened them. It sounds weird I know but that's what came of it. For other exercises like the couple you might see here like waves and the curls, they might not seem like they're doing anything and the band looks loose but when you explosively put in the effort, it makes the muscles burn like crazy. The Sprints are my favorite for explosive training to the degree where I can go hard but I don't need to go very far and can do micro Sprints to really dig into the muscles along the areas of the thighs and hamstrings which progressively strengthened my lower body. www.instagram.com/reel/CyFGIAcLV4_/?igsh=dTNwdGVoY2h3YzAyIf you happen to check out videos of the guys performing exercises with the bands, you'll see with great control and progressive speed, it's got some great pull and helps guide you throughout the movement. They're far more advanced than I'll ever be, they're wrestlers and fighters after all but they showcase how to apply even basic drills that potentially could increase one's fitness to an extent. Some exercises are more advanced than others which is why it's best to utilize what gives them the edge not for the sake of getting better at wrestling but learning how to move the body better. www.instagram.com/reel/CyZM_cBStbi/?igsh=MWhwYm8wbDhiOHVxaw==This was one of my favorite movements to do. It can be done with lighter weight and you have progressed to being that low and walking. Because the band at some point will try to pull you back, you have to keep tension on the core and stay balanced otherwise you won't be able to work the exercise efficiently.
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Post by Michael on Jan 18, 2024 21:57:52 GMT
Thanks Ben, for your detailed description of how you dealt with the sciatica BS. I see you went by intuition and how a movement felt to see if your body was OK with it. I found that staying with a certain routine or exercise too long might be denying that intuition, so doing something new and starting fresh has a way of limiting the overall wear and tear on the system, and allowing recovery. Then you are paying attention to what is happening with the body as it adjusts to the new movements with a lighter resistance, as well as allowing neglected angles and muscles to catch up in strength to allow for balance. Others have mentioned paying attention to the balance between the back muscles and abs as a way of avoiding back issues. That is something that would be a good thing to watch for in my own training, as well as consciously engaging the ab muscles to form a stronger foundation for the back muscles when lifting. I think You're an older guy like me? Some explosive movement/twisting might not be for us. Benny is a young man and if it works for him I'm not criticizing his insights. I just have a different view on this, probably more on the line of muscle imbalances. On this thread You will see two threads on the first page by me, You can read the others also if You want: sierraexercise.proboards.com/thread/3177/old-jack-fixed-back-painI would also recommend investing time into the Stuart McGill exercises after the pain subsides.
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jan 18, 2024 22:46:08 GMT
Mine was from a stupid move with the Darth Vader Kettlebell going down a couple of steps. Never change, Ben
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Post by Michael on Jan 18, 2024 23:03:15 GMT
Mine was from a stupid move with the Darth Vader Kettlebell going down a couple of steps. Never change, Ben Just noticed this, , Dave. Ben if You read this can You explain what the heck were You doing with a KB going down the steps? I've done jut about everything with my KBs but this is a new one to me.
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Post by ben542019 on Jan 18, 2024 23:23:35 GMT
Just noticed this, , Dave. Ben if You read this can You explain what the heck were You doing with a KB going down the steps? I've done jut about everything with my KBs but this is a new one to me. I was leaning a bit too much, it was a narrow pathway from getting the kettlebell to the three steps. Normally I can hold it with a straight body but for some reason my body leaned a bit more than usual. I started my training with it and felt something pinch in the middle of it. It wasn't a big thing at first until something didn't feel right and I thought it was just a little sprain or a pulled muscle. That was the start of it. Next day I did hill Sprints, couldn't get three in before the pain dug in so hard that if I had kept going the pain would've been so much worse and I wouldn't be able to even walk home which was normally a 20 min walk away. I would've been rolling in a ditch in agony. I didn't have my phone on me so I couldn't call for help and I didn't want anybody to help me near by cause you never know what someone might do. I made the decision to walk home, limping and all. I had to tell my wife that I needed to see a chiropractor. I felt the numbness and pain going down the side of my right leg. Me and the Chiro immediately figured out it was sciatica. So from May to September, this thing took over and it wrecked me to the point where I couldn't do even 1/3rd of what I normally can do and the only things that didn't hurt training wise was the deep squat hold and some stretching which I did every single day even if it was a few minutes. I didn't want it to stop me from being as active that my body would allow. It was so painful that I couldn't be around anyone for very long cause I didn't want them to see me in such pain.
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Post by Michael on Jan 18, 2024 23:41:06 GMT
Just noticed this, , Dave. Ben if You read this can You explain what the heck were You doing with a KB going down the steps? I've done jut about everything with my KBs but this is a new one to me. I was leaning a bit too much, it was a narrow pathway from getting the kettlebell to the three steps. Normally I can hold it with a straight body but for some reason my body leaned a bit more than usual. I started my training with it and felt something pinch in the middle of it. It wasn't a big thing at first until something didn't feel right and I thought it was just a little sprain or a pulled muscle. That was the start of it. Next day I did hill Sprints, couldn't get three in before the pain dug in so hard that if I had kept going the pain would've been so much worse and I wouldn't be able to even walk home which was normally a 20 min walk away. I would've been rolling in a ditch in agony. I didn't have my phone on me so I couldn't call for help and I didn't want anybody to help me near by cause you never know what someone might do. I made the decision to walk home, limping and all. I had to tell my wife that I needed to see a chiropractor. I felt the numbness and pain going down the side of my right leg. Me and the Chiro immediately figured out it was sciatica. So from May to September, this thing took over and it wrecked me to the point where I couldn't do even 1/3rd of what I normally can do and the only things that didn't hurt training wise was the deep squat hold and some stretching which I did every single day even if it was a few minutes. I didn't want it to stop me from being as active that my body would allow. It was so painful that I couldn't be around anyone for very long cause I didn't want them to see me in such pain. I've dealt with sciatica many times in the past. I've went to work like this many times, wasn't fun. I haven't had any incidents in many years because of the stuff I do. So You were taking the KB to the steps? Were You going to do step ups or something else? I won't give You any advice because I know it will fall on deaf ears. But I will mention a KB exercise or whatever else You want to use, that will help long term. One arm suitcase carries is a great exercise for Your back, especially lower.
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Post by ben542019 on Jan 18, 2024 23:55:27 GMT
I was leaning a bit too much, it was a narrow pathway from getting the kettlebell to the three steps. Normally I can hold it with a straight body but for some reason my body leaned a bit more than usual. I started my training with it and felt something pinch in the middle of it. It wasn't a big thing at first until something didn't feel right and I thought it was just a little sprain or a pulled muscle. That was the start of it. Next day I did hill Sprints, couldn't get three in before the pain dug in so hard that if I had kept going the pain would've been so much worse and I wouldn't be able to even walk home which was normally a 20 min walk away. I would've been rolling in a ditch in agony. I didn't have my phone on me so I couldn't call for help and I didn't want anybody to help me near by cause you never know what someone might do. I made the decision to walk home, limping and all. I had to tell my wife that I needed to see a chiropractor. I felt the numbness and pain going down the side of my right leg. Me and the Chiro immediately figured out it was sciatica. So from May to September, this thing took over and it wrecked me to the point where I couldn't do even 1/3rd of what I normally can do and the only things that didn't hurt training wise was the deep squat hold and some stretching which I did every single day even if it was a few minutes. I didn't want it to stop me from being as active that my body would allow. It was so painful that I couldn't be around anyone for very long cause I didn't want them to see me in such pain. I've dealt with sciatica many times in the past. I've went to work like this many times, wasn't fun. I haven't had any incidents in many years because of the stuff I do. So You were taking the KB to the steps? Were You going to do step ups or something else? I won't give You any advice because I know it will fall on deaf ears. But I will mention a KB exercise or whatever else You want to use, that will help long term. One arm suitcase carries is a great exercise for Your back, especially lower. Ironically it was the one arm suitcase carry I was doing going to to the steps down into the laundry room that leads to the downstairs area. I was going to do swings, suitcase carry, deadlifts and one arm rows with it (not necessarily in that order). When I did the deadlifts, that's when something didn't feel right and I ignored it. Normally the deadlift isn't an issue but on that day, something didn't click. Like I said, I admit I was dumb and should've known better to completely stop. Luckily now I can do those exercises again and with better efficiency. I have no issues now and I pay attention to detail on what I do and it has worked. Some people sent me workouts to stretch things out when I was still dealing with it. Could it creep up again? Maybe but I'm doing what's possible to prevent it. I don't ever want to deal with this again.
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Post by teacup on Jan 19, 2024 9:51:49 GMT
Hi Ben,
I’m no expert and can only go from my own experience but I found stretching wasn’t as much help as I thought it would be. Got to remember it is the sciatic nerve that has caused the pain, not the muscles. The signals told me it was pain in the muscles but the signal was wrong.
I read the sciatic nerve gradually secretes a mild acid that etches a new groove over time, easing the pressure. Takes time though.
17 years later, I’m still careful with it so don’t go rushing ahead with anything that puts pressure on the nerve and end up regretting it is all I’d say.
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