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Post by losers on Dec 13, 2023 7:26:45 GMT
Hello
Just shocked how so much resource got lost. Utterly shocked.
Did anyone rip the site please? I wish to build a site with a collection of everything.
Unable to find everything via wayback machine.
Does anyone have Zass material please? Specifically there was a one page article on Zass breathing.
So im looking for all available info on all. I will create a website for it all.
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Dec 13, 2023 8:09:44 GMT
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Post by Michael on Dec 21, 2023 20:13:40 GMT
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Post by jonrock on Dec 22, 2023 10:53:18 GMT
Annas archive is your friend, as is a waybackmachine copy of the sandowplus site.
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Post by fredhutch on Dec 22, 2023 19:34:35 GMT
The Stark Center in Texas has fragments of Zass courses number one and two. One is for tendon and ligament strength and features isometrics; Two is for muscle size and uses self resistance. Both courses use his chain apparatus. Lots of folks claim the Number Two course used weights or sandbags, but there is none of that in what the Stark Center has.
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Post by jonrock on Dec 25, 2023 9:13:29 GMT
The Stark Center in Texas has fragments of Zass courses number one and two. One is for tendon and ligament strength and features isometrics; Two is for muscle size and uses self resistance. Both courses use his chain apparatus. Lots of folks claim the Number Two course used weights or sandbags, but there is none of that in what the Stark Center has. That is very interesting, show us more as there is no other known/found photographs of the details of said courses. |
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Post by fredhutch on Dec 26, 2023 18:55:07 GMT
jonrock, I took a quick look and couldn't find the Zass stuff at Stark, but they do have it, as I recall it was in the Otley Coulter collection, I suggest you contact Stark and ask, they have always been very helpful to me. One thing I can tell you is that most of the photos you've seen of Zass with his chain apparatus are from the Number Two course and are views of either the start or the finish of the movement exercise...ironic because these photos are usually passed off as isometric holds. Beware second hand information!
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Post by BigBruvOfEnglandUK on Dec 28, 2023 2:43:04 GMT
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Post by jonrock on Dec 28, 2023 23:01:47 GMT
Fredhutch, does what you stated mean that the photos from the second link Bruv provided (my uploads) are in reality the second course (self resistance) in starting or finishing position?
That would be fun, because I have been doing self resistance with Bruce's strap for the last months, haha...
I will try to contact them, lets pray that they answer and provide the info and photos so we can access the Holy Grail of isometric courses once and for all.
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Post by fredhutch on Dec 29, 2023 14:51:10 GMT
jonrock, I can tell you that some of the photos you posted are movement exercises.
1) Photo with him standing on a board, holding chains fastened to the board--your photos include the start, hunched over to the front, and the finish, arched backward--this is his lower back movement exercise.
2) Photo with him using a head harness--what he does here is bend the head backward while sinking the body to work the back of the neck.
3) Photo of him holding the top of a curl with chain connected to ankle, standing on one foot--this is a curl resisting with the leg.
Some of the others I honestly don't recall, but I am reasonably sure that the poses that look like archer pulls and such are also movement exercises...I still have the stuff from Stark but it is packed away and can't check.
You might want to take a look at the Ropercize course in our archives, it is very similar to what Zass was doing...I would guess that the Ropercize author was influenced by Zass course two. In fact that curl resisting with the leg is the same in both courses.
I think the Stark center is closed this week for the holidays--check their website--but I'm sure they would be delighted to help you when they get back from vacation.
It's too bad that there only exist fragments of the courses...but the principles of both courses are there and we can take it from there.
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Post by fredhutch on Dec 29, 2023 16:28:56 GMT
Not in the posted photos, two very good movement exercises from the Zass Number Two Course, his manner of doing leg extensions and leg curls, you need a pair of ankle straps and a length of rope, webbing, or chain--
Best way to describe the leg extension: stand on one foot, raise the other leg until the thigh is parallel to the floor, lower leg hanging straight down, you have an ankle strap on each ankle and you need to connect them so that in the position described the rope is taut. Now straighten the upraised leg at the knee, since the ankle position is fixed, the thigh must move down as you straighten the leg. I find that I can really give the quads a great workout with this, you can apply great pressure to the movement.
For the leg curl the setup is the same except now the working leg begins straight and pointed behind you; now tighten up the hamstring and bend at the knee, again the thigh must move forward to accomodate the curling leg. As with the leg extension, you can apply a great deal of strength with this move. Enjoy!
If you like self-resistance with ropes and chains you probably will also like the Sandow-Lewis Physical Conditioning book, it features exercises with a loop of leather--webbing does just as good.
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Post by jonrock on Dec 31, 2023 8:27:35 GMT
Fantastic explanations!
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jan 13, 2024 13:09:35 GMT
The Stark Center in Texas has fragments of Zass courses number one and two. One is for tendon and ligament strength and features isometrics; Two is for muscle size and uses self resistance. Both courses use his chain apparatus. Lots of folks claim the Number Two course used weights or sandbags, but there is none of that in what the Stark Center has. The Zass sandbag course appears at the back of an old textbook, I recall it only had illustrations and not photos. It was a light bag (think it was actually just stuffed with straw) and the routine had various throws and one-handed exercises. |
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Post by Dave Reslo on Jan 13, 2024 13:17:00 GMT
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Post by fredhutch on Jan 13, 2024 15:09:41 GMT
Thanks Dave, I've seen those exercises before and who knows, they may have been a part of his courses, I just don't want Zass' self resistance exercises to be overlooked or forgotten. Especially since some of his self-resistance exercises with the chain device are in my opinion superior to the more commonly known ones from MacFadden and Atlas.
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