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Post by Capt America on Nov 1, 2023 16:20:02 GMT
Prisons are full of non-believers who kill without any background in organized religion or belief in any power higher than themselves. Millions of years of humans killing each other before anyone organized anything, and if all religion disappeared tomorrow the killing would keep right on happening. Would Men suddenly be kinder and gentler to each other if every church in the world closed down? Now that's a "belief" not based in reality.
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Post by Capt America on Nov 1, 2023 16:57:42 GMT
The enlightened atheist Mao was responsible for about 80 million deaths, about 60 million under Stalin, another enlightened atheist. I think Hitler was also an Atheist. Maybe the only thing worse than organized religion is no religion at all.
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Post by Magnus on Nov 1, 2023 20:18:10 GMT
Wasn’t ‘Jesus’ supposedly all about forgiveness? Or is that really just a sales pitch to potentially attract the desperate and morally confused into the ‘flock of sheep’ ? There are no excuses for the total disregard for the lives of innocent people. I guess that’s maybe what’s wrong with those who ‘believe’ as opposed to those who don’t. The ‘believers’ will always seem to find some reason or another for justification of their prejudice’s and sometimes EVIL behavior, whereas an independent thinkers mind usually isn’t tainted by the socially accepted insanity of organized religion… "There are no excuses for the total disregard for the lives of innocent people." Yes, that was the point made in the video I posted, Mags m8. I had not heard that those who attacked Israel on Oct 7 had repented and were asking to be forgiven. Where did you see that info? I was referring to the nut job Evangelical Christians who support Israel regardless of the war crimes and other atrocities that they commit because the war is "prophetically significant"... www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/us-evangelical-christians-israel-hamas-war
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Post by Magnus on Nov 1, 2023 20:25:16 GMT
Prisons are full of non-believers who kill without any background in organized religion or belief in any power higher than themselves. Millions of years of humans killing each other before anyone organized anything, and if all religion disappeared tomorrow the killing would keep right on happening. Would Men suddenly be kinder and gentler to each other if every church in the world closed down? Now that's a "belief" not based in reality. Oh yeah ? I don't think that a "belief" can get any further from "reality" than this insanity... www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/us-evangelical-christians-israel-hamas-warOne strand of evangelical theology holds that the return of Jews to the region starts the clock ticking on a seven-year armageddon, after which Jesus Christ will return It didn’t take long for many evangelical Christian groups in America to show their support for Israel. Hours after Hamas attacked the country on 7 October, killing more than 1,400 people, Christians United for Israel, an evangelical lobbying group which claims to have more than 10 million members, posted a message to on X, formerly known as Twitter. “To the terrorists who have chosen this fight, hear this, what you do to Israel, god will do to you. Despite today’s weeping, joy will come because he [god] who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps,” CUFI, whose founder believes the presence of Jews in Israel is a precursor to Jesus Christ returning to Earth, wrote. Soon an “Evangelical statement in support of Israel” was issued by the ethics and religion liberty commission – an arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, a denomination which has 45,000 churches in the US.
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Post by billfish on Nov 1, 2023 22:37:40 GMT
We are now aware of thee feelings and attitudes towards the Jewish peoples and Christians. What does Islam mean to you? Nothing....just like the rest of them
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Post by billfish on Nov 1, 2023 22:41:38 GMT
The enlightened atheist Mao was responsible for about 80 million deaths, about 60 million under Stalin, another enlightened atheist. I think Hitler was also an Atheist. Maybe the only thing worse than organized religion is no religion at all. I read that Hitler was a Catholic
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Post by Capt America on Nov 1, 2023 22:49:31 GMT
I don’t think most Americans support Israel because of any fundamentalist church. I think generally we support those who are most like “us”, and “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. If anyone thinks Jews are an equal threat to the peace of the world as are Muslims I want whatever they’re smoking, cause that’s some whack shit. Like someone else said, the same reason we feel a natural tendency to support Great Britain. We have a shared culture and at least somewhat shared cultural values. We aren’t burying women to their necks and stoning them for adultery. In fact Jesus said let the guy without sin cast that first stone. “Even if God didn’t exist it would be necessary for Man to invent Him”-Nietzsche Christian Fundamentalists is usually just some Hollywood stereotype not based on any real knowledge. The ones I know are all good people who would be the first to help anyone of any faith if they needed it.
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Post by billfish on Nov 1, 2023 22:56:43 GMT
Insanity.....pure fucking insanity....all in the name of their fucking religions ! I don't trust the Israelis...the U.S. has kept Israel alive since it's creation in 1948 And in return, they attacked the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967 killing 34 USN sailors and wounding 171 more, have engaged in espionage stealing American nuclear secrets and who knows what else An American-Jewish guy once told me that the Israelis have become the bullies of the Middle East....with the backing. weapons and aircraft, support and money of the U.S. , and Uncle Sam having their back anytime someone wants to fight Every time an Israeli plane drops an American made and supplied bomb on the Palestinians or whoever else over there, it's not only Israel they curse, but the U.S. too I would like to know what war crimes the Israelis have committed....their hands have blood on them too The Middle East is a big place but these assholes on both sides would turn it into a sheet of glass and the survivors would still be killing each other Shalom Allah Akbar Praise Jesus Fuck all of you....take your "holy" books and shove them where the sun don't shine, because your religion comes before acting like good people Maybe you will all bomb each other out of existence
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Post by billfish on Nov 1, 2023 23:04:03 GMT
Christian Fundamentalists is usually just some Hollywood stereotype not based on any real knowledge. The ones I know are all good people who would be the first to help anyone of any faith if they needed it. My experience with "Christians" is that most of the ones I've met are the phoniest, most self-righteous, putting-on-the-pious MFers I've ever met You won't have any problem figuring out that they are "Christian"....they will make sure that you know when they start their song and dance about "saving" you And if they are so good, how come they are silent about these money grubbing parasitical televangelists ? If Jesus came back today the show at The Temple would be nothing compared with these greedy bastids Yet....not a word from ANY Christian denomination !
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Post by Capt America on Nov 1, 2023 23:24:53 GMT
Yeah you guys are right, Christians are the problem 🙄 I don’t go to to church and haven’t since I was about 7 and threw a big fit, but nobody has ever tried to “save me”, and one whole side of my family are Pentecostal, none of them have ever said a word to me about saving me. I’m not worried about ladies in denim skirts committing terrorist acts on US soil. I work with a black chick who has to walk behind her man and wear a hijab, no thanks, Islam is slavery, literally translates to “submission”. They are not all “equally bad”, that’s just mental laziness and fear of offending Muslims.
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Post by jonrock on Nov 1, 2023 23:33:32 GMT
Does anyone besides me wonder why these bombings and bloodshed are not targeted toward politicians? Makes me also wonder if they are the ones pulling the puppet strings behind the curtain......same with the child pimp stuff and drugs thing. IMO, politicians are running these plays on us civilians for a reason not yet made clear, but will be. In the meantime, LOTS of money to be trading hands, just not to the civilians. 👏🏻
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Post by Magnus on Nov 2, 2023 0:12:05 GMT
Yeah you guys are right, Christians are the problem 🙄... Glad that you agree because to think anything else is quite foolish and naive... The United States committed over $3.3 billion in foreign assistance to Israel in 2022, the most recent year for which data exists. About $8.8 million of that went toward the country's economy, while 99.7% of the aid went to the Israeli military.
Israel received the second-largest amount of US aid in 2022 after Ukraine, where the US committed $12.4 billion. The two countries received 4.8% and 18.1%, respectively, of all foreign aid granted that year. usafacts.org/articles/how-much-military-aid-does-the-us-give-to-israel/
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Post by Magnus on Nov 2, 2023 0:16:24 GMT
www.aol.com/news/much-money-does-us-israel-111526895.htmlFollowing the attack by Hamas on 7 October, President Joe Biden sent extra military support to Israel, the largest recipient of US foreign aid. He also sent an emergency budget request to Congress, requesting a national security package of more than $105bn in aid to Israel and Ukraine, as well as funding for the border and other issues. Newly elected Speaker Mike Johnson said he thinks a standalone aid bill – removing the commitment to Ukraine – could pass the House of Representatives sometime this week. “We’re going to move a stand-alone Israel funding bill this week in the House — I know our colleagues, our Republican colleagues in the Senate, have a similar measure,” Mr Johnson told Fox News on Sunday. “There are lots of things going on around the world that we have to address, and we will,” he added. “But right now, what’s happening in Israel takes the immediate attention, and I think we’ve got to separate that and get it through.” More than 8,000 people have now been killed in the conflict between Israel and Hamas, which has been designated as a terror group by the EU and the US. The USS Gerald R Ford aircraft carrier was sent to the region as a show of support for the Israelis. On Monday afternoon, Senator Bernie Sanders, the runner-up in the 2016 and 2020 Democratic presidential primaries, wrote on X: “The US provides $3.8 billion a year to Israel. The Biden administration and Congress must make it clear. Israel has the right to defend itself and destroy Hamas terrorism, but it does not have the right to use US dollars to kill thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Gaza.”
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Post by Magnus on Nov 2, 2023 0:24:03 GMT
As stated previously, Israel F'cked up BIG TIME by their very shameful showing of evil and callous disregard for innocent human lives. Unfortunately for them there will likely be a heavy price to pay going forward...
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Post by mr potatohead on Nov 2, 2023 2:42:22 GMT
Thank you, Mags, for starting this thread. I appreciate the opportunity and am thoroughly enjoying quoting from the Bible, m8! May this become the longest thread on the forum.
Isaiah 1:18
Forget about judging others. Judge yourself. If you're looking at someone else to be a perfect "Christian" before you can believe God, you're just making excuses. I get it. I've done the same. God invites us to become His children and He sacrificed Himself to make it possible. All we need to do is believe His Word and accept.
If you think I'm dog shite, you're right, I'm aware and I agree with anything you say about me that is despicable, but, by His own choice and grace, God isn't dealing with me on the basis of my righteousness or merit. He's looking for you too, if you feel it in your heart, which is where the Bible says that we actually "know" things about ourselves. He's easy to find because, in Him, "we live and move and have our being" and if we draw near to Him, he draws near to us and He welcomes us to do so. It's His offer and promise, not mine. As usual on any topic, I'm just sharing the best information I have to offer at this time.
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