Post by TexasRanger on Feb 6, 2024 21:24:07 GMT
Nope.
<<<<Yup. You'll note the above current progression of comments about Israel made by billfish & BigBruv. My retort was predicated exclusively in response about Israel. Israel will never allow it demise as long as it has a stranglehold on US polity thru AIPAC for the reasons already stated.>>>>
Using blue to for easier separation. Israel will never allow its demise as it finally had their nation restored after centuries by the British government in 1917 and in 1947 the UN backed Israel being re-formed. In 1948 Churchill openly declared Israel's independence and Truman/the US later recognized it. So, with that revisiting of the history, we know the influence has been widespread throughout western countries, predominantly the US, the UK, France to some extent. But saying Israel has a stranglehold on US policy is not correct -- US military policy is, in fact, to support and protect the nation of Israel. However, we also saw the US taking overt action in protection of the Kurds when they were being gassed, over action in the Balkans to protect the Muslim minority suffering from genocidal attacks, etc. None of that was due to AIPAC.
Go through and check what every person at the highest levels of the US government currently in power are beholden to: the WEF. Biden, Kerry, the Clintons, Pelosi and on & on are all active members of that organization. Probably #2 (or 1a) would be the close ties George Soros...same guy who literally told key person in the Democratic Party to report to him in Washington DC after Trump won. Not reported in a conspiracy rag, but in the NY Times or Washington Post. (Would have to dig up the reference.)
<<<<It's simply another faction lobbying for its own set of interests or feed at the trough. I don't dismiss or deny your above comments as relevant but WEF is unrelated & an entirely different topic to AIPAC who have their own separate agenda which is "Israel 1st" at all costs.>>>>
Sorry, the WEF is not another faction for lobbying. They're a globalist organization targeting their own centralized power goals. Many, many books covering their exact plans in detail as unlike Bilderberg, the WEF has been completely open about their intentions. This group has openly called for the "Great Reset", is demanding godawful taxes on foods they think we shouldn't eat**, want to influence US laws, etc., etc. The WEF has in so many words pushed for a one world government -- just check Klaus' speeches. (**Dr. Walter Willett of Harvard U, a member of the WEF, has openly stated this should be US policy following WEF guidelines.)
My question is what holds do the Cartels have on the Dems based on what is happening on our southern border? We know China's bankrolled the DNC since the 90s quite overtly --anyone wonder why Bill Clinton signed off on giving high tech to China. Follow the $$$$.
<<<<AIPAC donates to most every Congressman. 21 states have enacted laws or policies to drop any contractors who disparage or threaten boycotts against Israel.
And? Lots and lots and lots of PACs, unions, etc., etc., donate to Congressional members. And 21 states ahve enacted laws against contractors who threaten boycotts against Israel? No problem with that -- maybe you haven't seen what the "Squad" has been all about and many other anti-Semitic politicians, etc., have been saying even before the October 7 attack?
But how about Canada -- you all don't have freedom of speech and Muslim organizations have made pretty much any criticism of their faith "hate speech". I don't think the bill to fully enforce this was passed in the Parliment, but you all have your own set of problems up north.
AIPAC is also famously documented to be caught in several cases of corporate espionage & theft such as Jonathan Pollard & Lawrence Franklin. Remember?.>>>>
Yep, I know that has taken place.
Nothing compares to CAIR...I believe it was in the 1990s when their offices were raided in Texas and weapons were found, records of millions of $$$ being sent to terrorist groups, etc. There was a training camp near Houston they sponsored, as I recall, that was shut down by the FBI for alleged terrorist-type training. Haven't seen any pro-Israeli group doing that in the US so far.
The US' ties to Israel go beyond what you're claiming.
And "finding another war to fight in". Seriously? There are ongoing conflicts globally which the US, UK, French and other covert forces are involved with.
<<<<The above paragraph is making a composition fallacy & a straw man argument. Of course all nations act in self interest. I'm not blithely ignorant to the concept of "geo-politics" or "geo-strategic".
No, it isn't a straw man argument and you're failing to recognize/not aware of global covert actions that are on going daily but can't mention. Has nothing to do with "self interest"...when the US is sending young men into harm's way to stop actions where civilians are defenseless, there's not a whol lot of self interest there. The Balkans, Somalia, etc. -- not a whole lot to be gained in those hotspots where our military has been sent.
However, the historical record of America shows she leads the way in constant participation in wars which greatly benefit her arms industry. She also usually gets her vassal states I mean "allies" to go along with these wars of savage peace. Fighting wars to preserve peace or democracy is like saying you're fucking to save virginity anyhow.
So, the historical record includes WWII -- forgot we lead the way in that one? The Korean conflict -- south Korea was about to be overrun by China-led N. Korea. Yepper, another one we started. The Vietnam conflict...despite what the media reported, which was bullshit -- the US' role included saving remote villages, the Montagnards, etc., from the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong. Were the US interests involved? Yep, a few businesses there. But, an uncle who served in Vietnam, a friend whose father was in the Green Berets, etc., would look anyone in the eye who claimed their role in country to preserve peace (save innocent lives) was BS and share the horror stories of what they witnessed.
I love Canada, have family outside of Toronto and Calgary, but I've also seen what passes for the "news" and perspective of US history and it is pretty skewed. CBC seems to pick up on the most distorted/left wing views and report them as fact.
Finding wars to fight in has been a strong & persistent practice ever since the Johnson Administration manufactured the Gulf of Tonkin Incident of which, by the way, 30k canadians also fought in along with the Koreans & Australians. Tonkin was a prelude to entry into the Vietnam War & 58k Americans died over a big fat lie. 58k is about 4 divisions that got chewed up in 10 years time. That's quite a casualty rate! Lady Byrd Johnson still got an excellent ROI with Bell Helicopter.>>>>
Nice try, but not the case -- your history is wayyyyyyy off. Note -- not denying the action, but Tonkin was the final piece. POS Robert McNamara is another story and IMHO, he is responsible for starting that debacle and Henry Kissinger making it worse.