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Post by macky on Jun 26, 2021 20:21:05 GMT
Trump didn't incite an insurrection, but Biden is certainly asking for one. 57 For vs 43 Against, sez Trump did.
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Post by macky on Jun 26, 2021 20:40:28 GMT
Trump worked for the PTB without knowing it. All that the PTB had to do was let Trump loose and Trump being Trump did the rest. They knew what Trump was like well before he ever took office. The Russians interfered with the 2016 election. Trump's cobber Putin probably helped him in. And what exactly was accomplished by the so-called 'PTB' ?... ...aside from: 1. Executive order enacted Jan. 1, 2021 requiring hospitals to provide medical prices to patients upfront so they can shop around. 2. Reversing the ascent of the Islamic extremist terrorist group ISIS. 3. “Most Favored Nation” executive order so that the U.S. (through Medicare) would pay no more for a drug than what’s offered to foreign countries, saving the U.S. an estimated “$85 billion in savings over seven years and $30 billion in out-of-pocket costs.” 4. Moving the U.S. embassy in Israel to the capital of Jerusalem. 5. Building more than 450 miles of new and replacement border wall. 6. Leading U.S. to a level of energy independence (exporting more oil than importing for the first time in 70 years), allowing international policy decisions to be made with less regard to how an oil nation we once relied on would respond. 7. No new wars.
8. Drastic reduction in regulations, opening the door for entrepreneurs and businesses to succeed, expand, and hire more people. According to the Trump administration, they promised to eliminate two regulations for every new one, but actually wound up eliminating 8 old regulations for every 1 new regulation adopted, equating into an extra $3,100 a year for the average American household. 9. Expanding Republican reach among African Americans and other constituents who traditionally lean Democrat. 10. Cutting taxes in an initiative that benefitted every tax bracket. 11. Doubled the child tax credit. 12. Operation Warp Speed: accelerated development of coronavirus vaccines. 13. Eliminated the Obamacare penalty. 14. A series of trade agreements and changes seen as beneficial to Americans, including replacing NAFTA with USMCA. 15. Instead of 2-for-1, we eliminated 8 old regulations for every 1 new regulation adopted. 16. Provided the average American household an extra $3,100 every year. 17. Started the Space Force. 18. Instituted “Right to Try,” allowing terminally ill patients to use potentially lifesaving, unproven treatments. 19. Prioritized and made permanent funding for historically black colleges. 20. Brokered peace deals or normalization agreements between Israel and five Muslim and Arab-Muslim countries. 21. Banned the teaching of “Critical Race Theory” in the federal government. 22. Withdrew from Iran nuclear deal. 23. Withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord. 24. Instituted a Buy American policy within federal agencies. 25. Achieved a $400 billion increase in contributions by NATO allies by 2024 with the number of members meeting their minimum obligations doubling. Your long and learned list of achievements would take a very long time to research and debate. No. 7 in particular goes directly against America's global armed conflict of the entire 20th century less 6 years, and certainly the wealth-gathering and maintenance of the US dollar as de facto reserve currency of the globe, and the huge income for the PTB war produces in arms sales etc. Others on the list are also directly against the revenue stream and wealth-gathering of the PTB, who do not view The People as anything else but cannon-fodder in war, and disposable labour in "peacetime". Now you know why Trump was ousted. That's if you believe the "stolen election" rhetoric. If the "stolen election" isn't true, then Trump did it to himself by his childish behaviour. If all those things on your list are true, then Trump and his admin did a very poor job of publicizing them, especially at election time. Trump ruined his chances for many when he engaged in his first "debate" with Biden, behaving like a completely unruly adolescent bereft of any decency, a spectacle that would have been comical if it wasn't so serious. All trump had to do was recite many of those things on your list and Biden wouldn't have had a show.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 27, 2021 0:29:08 GMT
Your long and learned list of achievements would take a very long time to research and debate. If all those things on your list are true, then Trump and his admin did a very poor job of publicizing them,
All trump had to do was recite many of those things on your list and Biden wouldn't have had a show. Everything on that list is 100% accurate, and nobody touted his own accomplishments more that Trump himself. What's even more amazing is the fact that he accomplished so much for the American people all while being attacked by the democrats and the media from minute one of his presidency. Relentless attack after attack, yet nothing stuck, and the only way they could get him out was by mobilizing every leftist nut job out there to 'harvest' ballots along with the other slimy 'back-alley' methods used by democrats to basically steal the election. They did a "poor job of publicizing them", seems like you've never witnessed the phenomenon of a Trump rally ? Please watch this video ?...Maybe this will give you a real idea about how at least half of us here in the USA feel...
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Post by macky on Jun 27, 2021 8:52:47 GMT
You're entitled to feel how you want to, Mags. I've read four or five of Trump's rally transcripts and he effectively says nothing, except repeated assertions that have no evidence for them at all, and in fact sometimes have plenty of evidence against them. They just roll off his tongue to an adoring crowd who believe everything they are being told, even though it's really just casual everyday talk said in such a way as if it's quite normal and true.
I watched the first 10 minutes or so of your video, and already he's saying the same type of thing over and over, how much he loves Michigan, and how great it is to be here today etc, and which the crowd bays at almost every phrase or sentence.
I was waiting for the "sieg heil !" at any moment. The guy is a gifted crowd-rouser no question. He has a talent for bringing the crowd into his "personal space" as though he's talking to each and every one of them.
But when the excitement is over and one turns to the transcripts, Trump hasn't said much of substance at all.
And while I certainly accept that your list is 100% accurate (because you said it is and I believe you), and I could argue one or two of list, political power is all about how you present yourself to the public, your public image.
Trump's everyday behavior made him a target for his critics, including his chronic lying as a normal part of conversation, the Trump-alt-truths slipping easily off his tongue as if they were solid facts. Trump let himself down so badly in the first "debate" with Biden. Where or whenever have you seen any other president of the US behave like that before ? Completely out of control. The referee had no show of stopping Trump's raving. That did a lot of damage in many people's minds. I'm talking around the world.
The comments were coming in from the Philippines "he's bullshit, isn't he ?" from Pacific Islanders "that man Trump, what is he?" Others I talked to laughed and shook their heads.
To finish it all off, his responsibility for the Stolen Election conspiracy theory, and Jan 6.
In many people's minds, that was the final straw. No matter what good things he had done during his term, the global public's perception of Trump went down the tubes.
Whether the election was really stolen or not, the PTB would made sure that Trump didn't get a second term. He might have been their man in 2016, but he went overboard and they didn't want him any more.
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Post by brothersteve on Jun 27, 2021 11:57:55 GMT
Ever seed Biden or Harris' actually speak? Classic Biden; "You ain't black if you vote for Trump." Who in their right mind says this? He has made a mockery of the position of P.O.T.U.S., PTB backed or not. If folks shook their heads and laughed at Trump, they must be rolling on the floor with Biden/Harris.
If the election wasn't stolen, they why have I yet to see anyone walk around proud extolling the great things old joe has done the last 150 days? I only see people grit their teeth at gas pumps and at the market where a pack of 4 steaks that was $36 is now $51. Three more years of this is horrible.
PTB or not, joe is the name and face peeps will remember.
When Oblama won in 2008 African Americans cried tears of joy as hey danced in the streets (https://www.voanews.com/archive/african-americans-react-tears-pride-obama-victory) in anticipation of the great changes that never came. Eight years of nothing good resulted. He had a good commanding voice, and erased Bin Laden from existence, but that was it.
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Post by Magnus on Jun 27, 2021 12:16:40 GMT
You're entitled to feel how you want to, Mags. I've read four or five of Trump's rally transcripts and he effectively says nothing, except repeated assertions that have no evidence for them at all, and in fact sometimes have plenty of evidence against them. They just roll off his tongue to an adoring crowd who believe everything they are being told, even though it's really just casual everyday talk said in such a way as if it's quite normal and true. I watched the first 10 minutes or so of your video, and already he's saying the same type of thing over and over, how much he loves Michigan, and how great it is to be here today etc, and which the crowd bays at almost every phrase or sentence. Ok, so you didn't watch it...
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Post by Magnus on Jun 27, 2021 12:38:33 GMT
You're entitled to feel how you want to, Mags.... To finish it all off, his responsibility for the Stolen Election conspiracy theory, and Jan 6. In many people's minds, that was the final straw. No matter what good things he had done during his term, the global public's perception of Trump went down the tubes. "and Jan 6"..."that was the final straw"... I guess "many people" get their news all twisted up from similar places that you do Macky, because they (and you) couldn't possibly have watched what Trump actually said beforehand. Why don't you do yourself a favor and watch this entire video with commentary that I'm providing for you here. If you give the video a full watch and still have the same conclusion then fair enough, but I believe that there's no way that you watched and heard what Trump said for yourself...
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Post by macky on Jun 27, 2021 19:55:00 GMT
You're entitled to feel how you want to, Mags. I've read four or five of Trump's rally transcripts and he effectively says nothing, except repeated assertions that have no evidence for them at all, and in fact sometimes have plenty of evidence against them. They just roll off his tongue to an adoring crowd who believe everything they are being told, even though it's really just casual everyday talk said in such a way as if it's quite normal and true. I watched the first 10 minutes or so of your video, and already he's saying the same type of thing over and over, how much he loves Michigan, and how great it is to be here today etc, and which the crowd bays at almost every phrase or sentence. Ok, so you didn't watch it... That's right Mags. I have preferred to read the transcripts rather than listen to all the noise. That gives me time to sort out what has been actually said instead of trying to hear all Trump's words over the crowd. I couldn't find the transcript on this particular occasion so if you have it, please let me know. What many Americans think is already obvious without having to confirm it spending over an hour listening to Trump supporters baying at every inane sentence he utters. Much better to examine Trump's words in a quieter more rational atmosphere.
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Post by macky on Jun 27, 2021 20:10:01 GMT
You're entitled to feel how you want to, Mags.... To finish it all off, his responsibility for the Stolen Election conspiracy theory, and Jan 6. In many people's minds, that was the final straw. No matter what good things he had done during his term, the global public's perception of Trump went down the tubes. "and Jan 6"..."that was the final straw"... I guess "many people" get their news all twisted up from similar places that you do Macky, because they (and you) couldn't possibly have watched what Trump actually said beforehand. Why don't you do yourself a favor and watch this entire video with commentary that I'm providing for you here. If you give the video a full watch and still have the same conclusion then fair enough, but I believe that there's no way that you watched and heard what Trump said for yourself... I accept the implications of what you are saying Mags and endorse your reasoning, but I HAVE examined the transcript, and while some of the things Trump said are certainly debatable as to whether he actually incited the crowd to violence, it didn't stop what happened. And some evidence for that starts in the statements to the FBI (or police) of those arrested and charged, where they asserted that they were "sent by Trump" or similar. The unfortunate girl that was shot had already stated on social media before the riot that she was going there to 'take back America', or some such similar statement that left no question in the reader of what she was going to do. And finally the vote which seems to be ignored when I mention it, 57 vs 43 to convict Trump. That's a solid majority under any circumstances except in America where complicated laws and rules end up by letting crims off the hook, quite often, plea bargaining etc. And that is not MSM, it's plain facts that are free of misinterpretation. 1) Many Trump supporters said they were sent by Trump. 2) The vote to convict. We can take pieces out the transcript and argue for and against all day long, without coming to any agreement. But you can't argue against those facts.
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Post by macky on Jun 27, 2021 21:04:25 GMT
Ever seed Biden or Harris' actually speak? Classic Biden; "You ain't black if you vote for Trump." Who in their right mind says this? He has made a mockery of the position of P.O.T.U.S., PTB backed or not. If folks shook their heads and laughed at Trump, they must be rolling on the floor with Biden/Harris. If the election wasn't stolen, they why have I yet to see anyone walk around proud extolling the great things old joe has done the last 150 days? I only see people grit their teeth at gas pumps and at the market where a pack of 4 steaks that was $36 is now $51. Three more years of this is horrible. PTB or not, joe is the name and face peeps will remember. When Oblama won in 2008 African Americans cried tears of joy as hey danced in the streets (https://www.voanews.com/archive/african-americans-react-tears-pride-obama-victory) in anticipation of the great changes that never came. Eight years of nothing good resulted. He had a good commanding voice, and erased Bin Laden from existence, but that was it. Maybe, maybe not. 150 days is not 4 years. "PTB or not, joe is the name and face peeps will remember." You're right, they always do. The figurehead always carries the credit, or the blame, one way or another. The prez and his crew try and wrestle with the economy and all sorts of related issues while in behind, the PTB grow richer in a plain factual display of wealth disparity growing ever larger for the last 50 years. The prez of course is responsible for everything he says in public, and if Biden is coughing through his dentures, then he has to take criticism for that too, like any prez. Obama inherited the greatest recession since the Depression. I don't know what he did or not to try and fix it. Trump certainly didn't face that situation when he took office, for whatever reason. Regarding Bin Laden, we only have the PTB's words for his death. I believe ("believe" being the operative word) that it's bullshit, his death and burial at sea etc. Bodies can be preserved for a very long time, and all the authorities had to do was bring him back to America for "independent" confirmation etc. Now the opportunity is gone. Bin Laden could have been paraded as a "war trophy" and "justified assassination" to the world for the "9-11 attrocities". All we've got is an unevidenced story. Like 9-11, there's no proof of who the perps were. The whole thing reeks of bullshit. I'm NOT downplaying the deaths, and the heroes of that awful day. The fact that Osama Bin Laden was never indicted for 9-11 at all, is a blinking red light in my book, 9-11 being blamed on 19 alleged terrorists for the hijacking and driving into pin-point targets on three of them, and the alleged driving into the ground of Fl93, when signals form the aircraft were being intercepted over an hour later, plus two alleged phone calls etc. The FBI file's link that showed Bin Laden as not being indicted for 9-11 (despite being indicted for other attacks) stood for 14 years until the link now takes you to a general FBI information site. BTS changed its records too, that showed Fl77 (Pentagon) as being scheduled for that day but never departing. There's no record at all of Fl77 on the page now. Whatever you may think about 9-11, at least two US govt agencies have altered their records that stood for 14 years, and if anyone thinks that three out of four light aircraft pilots that had some jet simulator training on different planes (737 and 727) could hit pinpoint targets (vertically and horizontally) on the very first try, the first time they were piloting (767 and 757) also for the first time, then they should examine the flight details of those flights, and evidence for why that simply could not have happened. NTSB records have also been obfuscated with a rearranging of their file system. The one I managed to find for All Flights sez that all four flights were on radar (primary) from beginning to end. No intercepts by jet fighters. Either the US fucked up big time, or the MSM story pipelined through to a shocked and angry public was bullshit (as per the alleged perpetrators). Take your pick. If anyone wants Bin Laden's file I'll send it as an attachment on their email if they give their address on the PM.
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Post by billfish on Jun 27, 2021 21:51:32 GMT
. Obama inherited the greatest recession since the Depression. I don't know what he did or not to try and fix it. Trump certainly didn't face that situation when he took office, for whatever reason. Not what I found macky..... 21st Century Recessions 2020 Recession. The 2020 recession was the worst since the Great Depression. ... 2008–09. The Great Recession lasted from December 2007 to June 2009, the longest contraction since the Great Depression. ... 2001. The 2001 recession lasted eight months, from March to November. ... 1990–91. ... 1970. ... 1957. ... 1953. ... 1949.
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Post by billfish on Jun 27, 2021 21:58:30 GMT
Probably in an attempt to undo the damage that the previous administration had done, and restore some normality. What.....? What "damage" ? And try to remember that we live here in the U.S., you don't, and as such have no actual experience with what is happening here C'mon macky, we know you hate President Trump, but that is ridiculous "Restore some normality"....as in opening the border up and letting thousands of people just swarm across the border ? Or closing an important pipeline ?
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Post by Magnus on Jun 28, 2021 1:03:20 GMT
"and Jan 6"..."that was the final straw"... I guess "many people" get their news all twisted up from similar places that you do Macky, because they (and you) couldn't possibly have watched what Trump actually said beforehand. Why don't you do yourself a favor and watch this entire video with commentary that I'm providing for you here. If you give the video a full watch and still have the same conclusion then fair enough, but I believe that there's no way that you watched and heard what Trump said for yourself... I accept the implications of what you are saying Mags and endorse your reasoning, but I HAVE examined the transcript, and while some of the things Trump said are certainly debatable as to whether he actually incited the crowd to violence, it didn't stop what happened. And some evidence for that starts in the statements to the FBI (or police) of those arrested and charged, where they asserted that they were "sent by Trump" or similar. The unfortunate girl that was shot had already stated on social media before the riot that she was going there to 'take back America', or some such similar statement that left no question in the reader of what she was going to do. And finally the vote which seems to be ignored when I mention it, 57 vs 43 to convict Trump. That's a solid majority under any circumstances except in America where complicated laws and rules end up by letting crims off the hook, quite often, plea bargaining etc. And that is not MSM, it's plain facts that are free of misinterpretation. 1) Many Trump supporters said they were sent by Trump. 2) The vote to convict. We can take pieces out the transcript and argue for and against all day long, without coming to any agreement. But you can't argue against those facts. OK, so you aren't going to watch the second video I posted either... You mentioned "The unfortunate girl that was shot had already stated on social media before the riot that she was going there to 'take back America"...Tragic yes, but there's all kinds of nut jobs out there fighting for 'their cause'. Crazy Democrats do it every day. You can't blame Trump for someones mental illness. Instead of hearsay, how about this short video of actual statements made by some of the 'major players' that day, and what really was said by them THAT DAY WHILE STANDING IN THE CAPITOL, whaddya' think ?
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Post by Magnus on Jun 28, 2021 1:09:42 GMT
Is this leftist nut job ok in your book Macky ?...
Funny how this crazy leftist moron is never held accountable, but then again she's a Democrat and their reprehensible behavior is allowed by the media...
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Post by MBS on Jun 28, 2021 1:11:05 GMT
Is this leftist nut job ok in your book Macky ?... Funny how this crazy leftist moron is never held accountable, but then again she's a Democrat and their reprehensible behavior is allowed by the media... She looks a lot like the late James Brown. No disrespect meant to James. 😂
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